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11-24-2006, 11:07 PM
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 |  Anyone accquainted with G.I. Gurdjieff's Fourth Way teachings?
Hello! Just to see if anyone has read something about the teaching... I find interesting that I actually got results(In a personally experimental way..and nothing magical, just a genuine betterment "ordinary" life...) trom the "belief system" that compromises the "system". (Winning it at least some points in "truthfulness"...) This teaching is esoteric based... There is "ordinary world" and there is something else, "higher life"... more connected to the realities of the universe... (That is, there are people that actually have "high knowledge"... actually makes perfect sense...) It puts self development in a framework... The human being is a not a complete being... its made to develop itself... and there is a precise path to this development... Man is just another gear in a PURPOSEFUL Universe -Obviously this system is Objective Reality based- (He is perfecly made to fulfill a cosmic purpose)... he has the option either to fulfill some "automatic" purpose (which is transforming some energies for cosmic purposes during his life and death)... or become conscious/develop itself very much above its birth level and serve the universe in a higher way. There's an objective universe, there's an objective purpose to the creation, there's an objective purpose to the human being, there are laws that rule the universe (outside of yourself/your thoughts) there is "higher consciousness" possibilities in man, unknowns become knowns... you understand stuff impossible to understand in your current level of consciousness... (which makes extremely sense in the SP way...!) Funny thing, it kinda fits (not too close and in a "bizarre" way anyway) the StevePavlina "System"  ...It wouldn't make any sense if reality is indeed fully subjective...(maybe reality is not FULLY subjective), it would be just another "dream" (more mystical though haha)  But why would be subjective universe like this? why these physical laws? why have planets and universe at all? why nature? why beauty? why animals? why people? why the human body is like it is? why feelings? why THOUGHT? why FEEL GOOD (inc)? Really, are there not rules but present moment awareness? Has it been all a process of manifestation thru past lives, creating a belief system (and forgetting it to the "unconscious"...???) that creates the world I see right now? Did I manifest hydrogen when I was a quark?  Hmm..ok... I'm not that clear on this... I'll have to do a huge lot of research/personal work and thinking/experimenting to even express a clear picture on this though... Thanks, Bye! |
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11-25-2006, 10:46 AM
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G'Day Tanausu, I have heard of Gurdjieff's fourth way and have a good friend who practices it as his "work". I read a little about it, I didn't understand a great deal but it was fascinating. I agree that the fully subjective reality would be akin to a dream world. The way I see it ideas like subjective reality and 'Law' of Attraction rely on Laws, or unassailable ways of operation. A law is consistent and observable, or it isn't a law. So I see all of this as subjective worlds built upon objective worlds, don't know what it is yet... From what I know of Gurdjieff's work he was pretty on the money, tough character too. Not sure if this is accurate, his 'general law' can be described as; if you do what everyone else does you'll end up just like them (so overcome your inertia and do the work, I think). That's why I like spirituality and personal development, some tell you the way, others carve the path. Love to hear your description of the system, been a while since I read about it. |
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11-26-2006, 11:17 AM
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|  On The System
Hi Richful! If you are interested in knowing reading about the system... I can send you thru Yahoo messenger any of the few books I have with the basics of the system... The first book I read was In Search Of The Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky. Theres another (shorter and concise) called The Psychology Of Man's Evolution, by Ouspensky too... I think they will explain it better than I'll do thru a forum message! Really interesting reads, and there's a lot of material in the field of "The work"... I'll do a lot of "theorical" research later, comparing it with other beliefs systems and such... maybe getting in various workgroups to see what happens... Right now I'm keeping a super lean belief system , mostly based on LoA...so just trying to find what do I deeply want and keeping myself thinking of that only... Its working amazingly great and I guess I'm gonna stop philosophizing too much and start building myself a great life!I'll find out what the hell is all of this later...just not important to get the job done! Take care! Chao! |
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11-26-2006, 09:21 PM
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I certainly understand about "keeping it lean", my brain gets a bit cluttered from all the possible ways of looking at life sometimes Thanks for the book offer, my friend has all the books you mentioned so I might borrow them from him, I'm curious but not ready to dive in yet. I like your attitude, I might go "get the job done" some more myself, thanks again  |
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01-11-2010, 12:15 AM
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|  I studied Fourth Way teaching a lot
I studied Fourth Way teaching a lot. The best book to read is "In Search of the Miraculous: Fragments of an Unknown Teaching New York: Harcourt, Brace, 1949; London: Routledge, 1949" .The teaching is very tricky. Gurdjieff himself was a great con man and brilliant actor, he liked to fool naive people and totally subjugate them to his own goals. A man from out of nowhere -- even his exact birthdate is still unknown, not to mention that the only source of info about his biography until 40 was himself . In my opinion the adequate part of his teaching is about Willpower: @People are mechanical. Their thoughts are mechanical, not to mention emotions and motion. It`s because they lack will. They lack even constant desires. Everything "happens" to them. They can do nothing. Instead of being individual everyone consists of numerous divided parts which are always in conflict with each other. In order to become whole, to become One, a man must train and suffer to 1. Stop daydreaming 2. Cristalyze his inner structure -- create constant will.@Fourth Way - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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09-12-2010, 08:23 AM
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|  Anyone accquainted with G.I. Gurdjieff's Fourth Way teachings?
Hi there... first post here... I've been following Gurdjieff's teachings for a number of years, and have read his expositions, as well as P.D. Ouspensky's Fragments and other work related books... I have also attended group meetings. Regards Darren |
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11-12-2010, 07:52 PM
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| hi Tanausu!
I read your two posts here. I want to have conversations with you personally. Can you e-mail me o laljibhai24@gmail.com Thanks, laljibhai katariya |
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