Do you believe time travel would be possible within our life-time?

[RichGrad]

Ok, I'm not sure exactly which sub forum to post this so I'm just going to go with this one.

I'm sure you have seen a lot of sci-fi movies about time travel and the like. My fav is The Butterfly Effect. I have always been fascinated by time travel since I was a kid. I mean think of all the possibilities! You make a mistake, you go back and correct it.

Of course, I know it's definitely not that simple. As with the butterfly effect, every little change may spark off a dramatically different result.

What's your take on time travel? Do you think somebody can invent a time-machine in our life time? What effect would that have?

[Nathan]

if travelling back in time was ever possible, wouldn't we run into time travellers (from the future) right now? Therefore travelling back in time is impossible - or my logic is wrong.

[Erin Pavlina]

I think your logic is flawed because of your assumptions. You're assuming that if a time traveler were wandering around in the past he or she would announce it to the general public, "Hey ya'll, I'll just be a sec... gotta assasinate someone and then I'll get out of your way," and that probably isn't likely. So if someone were time traveling they would probably take pains to guard this knowledge from others.

And secondly, you're assuming that just because a time traveler has never made himself aware to YOU that he hasn't made himself aware to anyone.

Not saying you're wrong, not saying time travel is possible, but just commenting on your logic.

As for time travel, I have a feeling it's possible though I don't understand the physics well enough to even begin to discuss it.

[cdn2wheeler]

A couple of years ago I had the delightful experience to chat with one of the foremost scientists in the field, Dr Fay Dowker, and I posed this exact question to her: Is time travel possible, and if so, can we go back and fiddle with the past?

Her answer was, in pure physicist style, somewhat long-winded and most of it went right over my head. But, essentially, her argument that was time is a one-way trip. We can travel into the future by approaching the speed of light (re E = MC2 and all the rest) but can't go back.

That said, she was humble and open enough to the possibility that we know very little about how time actually works so maybe there's some way to go back in time, but at present we don't think so.

More about Fay Dowker here:
Fay Dowker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BBC The Next Big Thing - Anti-matter
Fay Dowker: Information and Much More from Answers.com
http://loops05.aei.mpg.de/index_file...les/dowker.pdf (this one's a PDF that may take a moment or two to load)

[Winston]

what do you guys think about this guy?

YouTube - CNN: Dr. Ronald Mallett's Time Travel Machine

[Spirittap]

I remember reading about a time traveler who posted around 1999. He claimed to be in the army and starting posting online for a little while. He talked about a civil war happening in the States around the year 2008. It wouldn't be north vs south, but instead those aligned with the goverment and those opposed. He claimed the government would take excessive means to control the people, they'd be limited in their actions because of fear. He talked about Russia being aligned with those the Americans opposed to the U.S government and China aligned with the U.S government. This eventually leads to another World War, but in this case nukes are used. Something like everywhere is affected except for South America.

After this war people become less violent. They start to become more Spiritual. He said the U.S government has 5 or 6 presidents. Also life is more of a community thing afterwards. If you don't pull your weight in the community, then you could be kicked out. They also work 5 or 6 hours instead of the average 8.

I forgot the name of the website that has all this info, but i'm sure someone could find it if they look. I'm not sure if what i wrote down was exactly what he said, but i'm just going by what i remember. From what he has said though... umm *looks outside*, things seem to be falling into place.

Oh and to add Jesus doesn't come back. Also in his time, time travel isn't known to the public and is thought of as impossible.

[Spirittap]

The link is John Titor - Time Traveler . I'm going to reread the site and see if i remembered correctly.

[Amatrine]

I rememeber the posts on that guy. Claimed he came back in time to get
an old IBM computer. They needed it in the future for something. Cant remember what.

[BladeRunner]

How can there be time travel if there is no time. I suppose if you believe in time then you could create the illusion of time travel, but it would undermine the moment.

Actually time travel is possible when you think of a past of future you'e actually creating it therefore travelling in time. The allure of time travel is the regret of the present moment. Why would anyone want to go back or forward if the moment was perfect?

They wouldn't, therefore the entire premise of time travel is rooted in fear.

Dex

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by RichGrad

Ok, I'm not sure exactly which sub forum to post this so I'm just going to go with this one.

I'm sure you have seen a lot of sci-fi movies about time travel and the like. My fav is The Butterfly Effect. I have always been fascinated by time travel since I was a kid. I mean think of all the possibilities! You make a mistake, you go back and correct it.

Of course, I know it's definitely not that simple. As with the butterfly effect, every little change may spark off a dramatically different result.

What's your take on time travel? Do you think somebody can invent a time-machine in our life time? What effect would that have?

What are you saying? Is time travel possible? Does such technology exist? Is it really possible for beings in what we perceive as our future to come into what we perceive as our past and alter the course of matter through space-time in significant and deliberate ways?

What would you do if the answer is yes?

Would you be horrified to learn it happens quite frequently and that you remember all the changes as your perceived past? In the zero time that such travelers exist in, Lincoln could have been killed yesterday in their sense of temporal reckoning, but to you, it is known history. Isn't that a freaky thought? What if our society has been carefully engineered by time stream manipulations............. What if all the worlds major religions have been contrived and given "validity" through the sinister machinations of self serving entities posing as gods to gain ultimate control and dominion over us.........uh oh........i'd better be quiet.........else i might never have been born............shhhhhhhh......quiet everyone.... shhhhhhh....

[responsibility]

Apparently, at the highest plane of existence (where there is the divine/source), the past, present and future are all happening at once. Robert Bruce says this on his website Astral Dynamics.

Also theoretically, anything that moves faster than the speed of light will travel back in time (and will have infinite mass).

And as another interesting side-note: There was someone who supposedly projected his consciousness somewhere in the future (also known as remote viewing) where there were a group of people standing at a desert, and one of them had took notice of the remote viewer and smiled.

[Amatrine]

I also do not think time really exists, but is a perception.
So when we think of past events, we are travlling in time essencially.
The question should not be is time travel possible, but it manipulating what we believe to be past or future possible. We always manipulate the future by present choices we make. Awareness is always in the now and everchanging,
so preeption always changes, you can not change events that happened , but you can change the perception of those things .

[Cantando]

Time is an apparency. It is intimately tied up with consciousness. We use it, like a tool, to organize our experiences into a sequence.
The "I", which is your essential you, is immersed in this body of consciousness (subjective reality).

We are in it, and it is in us (within you, without you).
When you have an enlightening moment (satori) you realize this.

In meditation, when brain waves slow down to the theta level, information can be retrieved from the Universe/Unconscious/Higher Self by making requests, or in religious terms, prayers. Answers, or information, are always returned. Depending on our skill and ability, we can reassemble this information into a time like sequence, which our consciousness can make sense of. The Akashic Records only exist when we have received the relevant information and reassembled it.

Some people have the ability to interpret this information through other forms as well, such as art and music.

[Neblasian]

The only time that really exist is now. The past is just a shadow and the future is just a phantom in your imagination. You can't travel to something that isn't there.

[CeciL]

If one figures out how to time travel you'll also have to know the exact position and rotation of the earth at that particular moment in time.

If I went forward or back into time one second in the exact spot I am in now I would be floating in space...

[RichGrad]

Time is a perception? Well thats true... Einstein did state that in the theory of relativity. It may just be a fantasy but a lot of major events are recorded in our perception of time... which is why NLP techniques like timeline reimprinting exist.

So you guys think there would be more harm than good if there were in fact a way to travel through time like in sci-fi movies?

[cylon]

If you guys go back in time and I wind up with an extra thumb I will not be happy.

[RichGrad]

lol @ cylon

[joecooool]

what is time?

An Analogous Comparison:
--the clock is the tool(to a measuring tape), a second is the unit(to a centimeter), which measures an amount of time(to an amount of distance), which in reality is an amount of change(to an amount of space).
--change/and space, are both parts of reality, we perceive them as time/and distance, we measure them with units of seconds/and centimeters, with tools called clocks/and measuring tapes.

so like distance is our brains perception of space, time is our brains perception of change(the collective motion of fundamental particles that make up the universe), both equal but different methods of measuring reality. which our brains(biological computers) need to do so they can:
--process(measuring simplifies and quantifies reality down so our brain can process it) and:
--network(shared units of measurement act as a 'protocol', which allows communication of data between two brains)

conclusion:
--time travel is impossible, because it actually means change travel, which would be the ability to control the rate or direction of cause and effect in the entire universe.


Time Travel, practical applications:
--Travel to the future by freezing yourself which would slow time for you but by your perception in this slowed state speed time up for everything else hence give you the appearance of traveling into the future. Or take advantage of Einstein's theory of "motion time dilation" and travel to the future by accelerating to the speed of light, which would make all the atoms in motion including yours change less relative to those around them, therefore give the appearance of traveling into the future. Or take advantage of Hawking's theory on "alternate universes," travel to anytime by going into another universe whose atoms are in identical configuration to that of ours for the desired time period you want. Once again giving the appearance of having traveled to another time.

[Chado2423]

Unless this is heresay... (which it could be, since this information comes from a friend) From the way I understand it, Finland Quantum Physic Scientists have now invented a mechanism that can move a single carbon atom up to three nano-seconds foreward in time. It is registered as non-existent in that time period, by the electronic measurements, which would be verification of movement through time. (or at least so he says. I haven't actually looked it up, yet.)

[dave marshall]

HI all, just found this group.

Time travel will definately be possible when we undestand how to manipulate our own consciousness as 'time' only exists within our experience that is created by our beliefs. When we get to use our consciousness more effectively I certianly believe we will be able to change our experience into a different time period.

As someone posted 'time' itself does not exist, excpet within our own minds of course.

Great things to think about!

Dave

[AtlantaArtist]

The 'past' and the 'future' are not part of existence....
existence/reality is a whole unified field of continuously active energy/vibrations...
it never stops...it never stores part of itself anywhere else (there is no place 'anywhere else' - See here
for more.)

If we could make an image of it..it might look like this:


Repetition gives the illusion of form etc. but everything is always moving.
Just like we know the earth is spinning about 1040 miles/hr but it seems like it's still. more on repetition here.

The past...our partial recordings...memories.
The future....our projections....
Everything is always in the now...
no where else exists

For us to go to a former movement of the unified field ( a 'past' configuration) you would have to get everything in existence to reproduce the former movement...and even then if such a task were possible it would just be a current reproduction...man that hurts my head just thinking about it.

[AtlantaArtist]

Typo-
Headline should read "Time, of sorts, does exist eternally before a 'self'"

I think it helps to remember our 'minds' are a temporary manifestation, configuration, and development of our 'primary presence' and even though we have learned to manipulate subtle energy or life force into repetitive patterns or images...'minds' are not 'always present' as primary presence 'IS'.

We know our Beta reality is just a reflection of our predominant repetitive thoughts
SO
how can I now state that somehow time is real and outside of our control as the 'conscious' primary presence we are now becoming?

What we label our 'waking dream reality' or 'subjective reality' or 'physical reality' or however we want to label it is the arrangement of subtle energy/life force/primary presence into repetitive patterns causing the energy/life force to appear as a 'form' whether it's a thought, a qubit, or my dog Fido.

FOR ANY TEMPORARY IMAGE (repetitive energetic pattern) to appear in an eternal setting or 'field' (existence,eternity, 'always present presence', or the NOW) means ...........
THERE MUST BE AN OVERALL REPETITIVE UNCONSCIOUS CHARACTERISTIC OR 'CYCLE' TO THE BEHAVIOR OF EXISTENCE (the always present PRESENCE).

This cycle could be considered 'time' only it's not linear which is necessary in the traditional use of the concept.

So it is like 'time' in the sense that it's a consistent predictable reoccurring movement or activity that is the largest movement in reality..but unlike the smaller ones we can count and use to measure (earth,sun,etc)...the 'eternal cycle' has no beginning, will never end, and can't be counted or measured against anything else...there is nothing else to compare it against (existence is all inclusive).

And when you break it down it is really just the repetitive energetic activity of expansion and contraction or a vibrational 'pulse' of sorts.
But it is 'constant' or 'eternal' and unconscious or creation and us wouldn't be here.

For more on this idea see The Eternal Cycle

[mej023]

Originally Posted by AtlantaArtist

The 'past' and the 'future' are not part of existence....
existence/reality is a whole unified field of continuously active energy/vibrations...
it never stops...it never stores part of itself anywhere else (there is no place 'anywhere else' - See here
for more.)

If we could make an image of it..it might look like this:


Repetition gives the illusion of form etc. but everything is always moving.
Just like we know the earth is spinning about 1040 miles/hr but it seems like it's still. more on repetition here.

The past...our partial recordings...memories.
The future....our projections....
Everything is always in the now...
no where else exists

For us to go to a former movement of the unified field ( a 'past' configuration) you would have to get everything in existence to reproduce the former movement...and even then if such a task were possible it would just be a current reproduction...man that hurts my head just thinking about it.

I am fascinated by the idea of time travel but AtlantaArtist has provided us with the most accurate explanation as to why time travel is not possible.

That "everything in existence to reproduce the former movement..." is the part that will make your head hurt!

[AtlantaArtist]

Thanks mejo23!

[OMG]

I believe in different realms and timeless world, and I believe spiritual techniques allow u to get to different realms and witness them. Thus, we have have many selves performing in different realms (Many Past, present, future and higher powers and midwayers which are the angels btw the higher powers n humans).

Past Life regression is quite accepted and now future regression is also being studies where glimpses of the future can be seen.