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infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 03:33 PM

First. Everywhere I go on the net, I keep reading "The One".

Not true. Misconception due to thousands of years of Religion. Throw religion where it belongs. In the damn garbage can.

Has no room, if you want Knowledge. There is no, One.
(If someone wants to know why I say this, ask me.)

Second. "The Universe".
Keep using that frame-ology an you'll never own your universe, which in turn means you'll never manifest.

Why?
Simple.... cause you're perpetuating the limited thought that "The Universe" is outside you.

Have fun, guys.

cdn2wheeler · 12-03-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Has no room, if you want Knowledge. There is no, One.
(If someone wants to know why I say this, ask me.)

OK, I'll bite. Why do you say this?

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

First. Everywhere I go on the net, I keep reading "The One".

Not true. Misconception due to thousands of years of Religion. Throw religion where it belongs. In the damn garbage can.

Has no room, if you want Knowledge. There is no, One.
(If someone wants to know why I say this, ask me.)

Second. "The Universe".
Keep using that frame-ology an you'll never own your universe, which in turn means you'll never manifest.

Why?
Simple.... cause you're perpetuating the limited thought that "The Universe" is outside you.

Have fun, guys.

I think you contradict yourself. First you say there is no such thing as oneness. Then you say don't say the universe because that means you are believeing in something outside of yourself. That is, you are saying there is a "your universe" that isn't outside of yourself - in which case you are believeing in oneness. You are wanting to believe that "your universe" is all there is - and to believe that you are going into oneness, that it all is you and we are all together in that all that is.

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 04:58 PM

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OK, I'll bite. Why do you say this?

There is no such thing as "The One", cause of infinity.

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 05:03 PM

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I think you contradict yourself. First you say there is no such thing as oneness.

Correction. I said "the one", not "oneness". (Minor detail but important to communicate.)

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Then you say don't say the universe because that means you are believeing in something outside of yourself. That is, you are saying there is a "your universe" that isn't outside of yourself - in which case you are believeing in oneness.

Right. In my universe. Every one has their own.

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You are wanting to believe that "your universe" is all there is - and to believe that you are going into oneness, that it all is you and we are all together in that all that is.

Just as you have your own universe. Infinity's a 'big' place. Room for everyone.

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Correction. I said "the one", not "oneness". (Minor detail but important to communicate.)

What is "the one" that you say doesn't exist?

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfgang

What is "the one" that you say doesn't exist?

A religious term, as in everybody, once they are "whole", goes back to the one.

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 05:31 PM

This is too vague for me to offer much, since I don't know what you mean by "the one" being a religious term.

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 05:33 PM

But remember, throw religion in the garbage can.

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfgang

This is too vague for me to offer much, since I don't know what you mean by "the one" being a religious term.

I'll have to dig up an example.
Be back.

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 05:45 PM

Oh Ok. How about "one with god".

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 05:45 PM

If you are tossing religion and "the one" is a religious term (for the sake of your thread), what is your point - toss the terms and ideas too? Isn't religion just a represention of spirituality (and then distorted to control people or have power or try to fix people, etc...) I don't think you started this thread to talk about tossing religion away - or did you? Is that what your point is - that religion needs to be tossed?

I still don't get the objection to the term the universe. You say that means we are thinking there is something outside of us. And we shouldn't be thinking there is something outside of us (I agree with that). But the term the universe, for many, actually is used to say we are all on, as the universe is all that is and we are one with the universe. That's kind of what universe means - all is one.

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Oh Ok. How about "one with god".

OK, so you are saying there is no such thing as being "one with god"?

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfgang

OK, so you are saying there is no such thing as being "one with god"?

Because, then....what happens to you?

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 05:55 PM

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I still don't get the objection to the term the universe. You say that means we are thinking there is something outside of us. And we shouldn't be thinking there is something outside of us (I agree with that). But the term the universe, for many, actually is used to say we are all on, as the universe is all that is and we are one with the universe. That's kind of what universe means - all is one.

Right. But some people say "the universe" has if it made stuff in your life happen.

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 05:57 PM

What happens to you if you are one with god? Well, you feel whole and devine and enlightened and peaceful and fullfilled. What do you think happens to you?

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 05:59 PM

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Right. But some people say "the universe" has if it made stuff in your life happen.

Yes, I would call that an error in thinking - to think there's something outside of yourself that made stuff happen in your life. So this we are on the same page with. But usually this also hints that the universe is also you - which is to say you are already in oneness or being one with god.

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 06:02 PM

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What happens to you if you are one with god? Well, you feel whole and devine and enlightened and peaceful and fullfilled. What do you think happens to you?

What about your ego? Where does it go when you are one with god?

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 06:20 PM

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What about your ego? Where does it go when you are one with god?

Since I have only had some brief times with oneness feelings, I don't think I know. But I'd like to think it's possible to be one with god and also be an individual. I didn't incarnate just to try to become enlightened, only to find I have to give up my individuality. Why do that - I shouldn't have just stayed in the ether? But to incarnate and have the goal of becoming one with god and also be an individual - that's something.

seeker5 · 12-03-2007, 06:23 PM

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There is no, One.

Bull. I saw "The One" on the Matrix.

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 06:26 PM

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Since I have only had some brief times with oneness feelings, I don't think I know. But I'd like to think it's possible to be one with god and also be an individual. I didn't incarnate just to try to become enlightened, only to find I have to give up my individuality. Why do that - I shouldn't have just stayed in the ether? But to incarnate and have the goal of becoming one with god and also be an individual - that's something.

But here's the thing. You're conceptualizing wanting to be "one with god' is holding you back.

Do you see what I mean?

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 06:27 PM

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Bull. I saw "The One" on the Matrix.

Ok. I'll give it this one exception. But only because it was a killer movie.

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 06:41 PM

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But here's the thing. You're conceptualizing wanting to be "one with god' is holding you back.

Do you see what I mean?

How am I conceptualizing wanting to be one with god? And why is that holding me back? And holding me back from what? Plus, I already admited I am not an expert at being one with god, although I like to think I am anyway, I just have forgotten that feeling of being in oneness.

I think all of us once apon a time felt to be one with everything and it was socialized out of us by society not valueing spiritual pursuits, for the most part.

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 06:47 PM

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How am I conceptualizing wanting to be one with god? And why is that holding me back? And holding me back from what?

Well the how of it is just by saying it. "But I'd like to think it's possible to be one with god and also be an individual."

The why of it is......you're creating separation, by the how of it.

Sam988 · 12-03-2007, 06:53 PM

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Why?
Simple.... cause you're perpetuating the limited thought that "The Universe" is outside you.

This belief that the universe is us is just one more belief in this basket of beliefs that you said we should put in the garbage.

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 06:57 PM

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This belief that the universe is us is just one more belief in this basket of beliefs that you said we should put in the garbage.

Exactly. So prove to yourself it isn't a belief.

wolfgang · 12-03-2007, 07:37 PM

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Well the how of it is just by saying it. "But I'd like to think it's possible to be one with god and also be an individual."

The why of it is......you're creating separation, by the how of it.

I say "like to think" instead of believe often since I try not to "hold" my beliefs, if you know what I mean. It is really a felt sense belief, and not a concept that I am trying out, that I have about being in oneness and also an individual - and that is the most whole state I can think of. Being in oneness as yourself.

If you are just one with all, that is not the complete experience - it is to add your individuality that makes it complete. That is not a sperating that is an adding and making whole.

Old Soul · 12-03-2007, 07:37 PM

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Oh Ok. How about "one with god".

I totally believe in oneness with God, that is not religion lol

the more i read the more confuzzed i get :-)

infinitethoughts · 12-03-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Soul

I totally believe in oneness with God, that is not religion lol

the more i read the more confuzzed i get :-)

.............

Terumoto · 12-04-2007, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Second. "The Universe".
Keep using that frame-ology an you'll never own your universe, which in turn means you'll never manifest.

Why?

And what will never manifest? Me?

12-03-2007, 03:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
infinitethoughts Family Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,156	Let's clear up a couple misconceptions. First. Everywhere I go on the net, I keep reading "The One". Not true. Misconception due to thousands of years of Religion. Throw religion where it belongs. In the damn garbage can. Has no room, if you want Knowledge. There is no, One. (If someone wants to know why I say this, ask me.) Second. "The Universe". Keep using that frame-ology an you'll never own your universe, which in turn means you'll never manifest. Why? Simple.... cause you're perpetuating the limited thought that "The Universe" is outside you. Have fun, guys.

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12-03-2007, 05:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
wolfgang Family Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,566	This is too vague for me to offer much, since I don't know what you mean by "the one" being a religious term.

12-03-2007, 05:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
infinitethoughts Family Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,156	But remember, throw religion in the garbage can.

12-03-2007, 05:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
infinitethoughts Family Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,156	Oh Ok. How about "one with god".

12-03-2007, 05:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
wolfgang Family Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,566	If you are tossing religion and "the one" is a religious term (for the sake of your thread), what is your point - toss the terms and ideas too? Isn't religion just a represention of spirituality (and then distorted to control people or have power or try to fix people, etc...) I don't think you started this thread to talk about tossing religion away - or did you? Is that what your point is - that religion needs to be tossed? I still don't get the objection to the term the universe. You say that means we are thinking there is something outside of us. And we shouldn't be thinking there is something outside of us (I agree with that). But the term the universe, for many, actually is used to say we are all on, as the universe is all that is and we are one with the universe. That's kind of what universe means - all is one.

12-03-2007, 05:57 PM	#16 (permalink)
wolfgang Family Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,566	What happens to you if you are one with god? Well, you feel whole and devine and enlightened and peaceful and fullfilled. What do you think happens to you?

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