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11-26-2007, 08:41 AM
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 |  Question about the subjective reality theory...
What would happen if you got a bunch of people who believed in this theory whole-heartedly into a room together and told them to discuss their views on reality? Would they argue about who is really conscious and who is just dreamed up? How would they resolve it? Just curious. |
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11-26-2007, 10:57 AM
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One time I went lucid in a dream where I was locked in a room with a bunch of people. I tried to explain to them that they were just dream characters and that i was dreaming... they just looked at me really funny and i think some of the people actually laughed at me.  It was a interesting dream... I was some sort of spiderman hybrid and I could do some pretty cool tricks... I don't think I saved the people  I was reminded of this dream when I read your post I thought I would share.  peace and love  |
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11-26-2007, 12:46 PM
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I think your question presupposes an objective reality where there are people outside of your awareness who could be gathered together to discuss the nature of reality. If you had a subjective view of reality you would not ask this question because you would not believe that anything existed apart from what you were experiencing this very moment. So imagine that you have a subjective view of reality and you go along to a meeting to discuss the nature of reality. From the very beginning, you would believe that you were the only conscious being in the room and that all the others were just characters in your dream. Some of the people at this meeting would claim that they also had a subjective model of reality, while others would say that you were crazy to believe in something so ridicules. Either way, you would see it all as part of the dream that you were having. |
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11-26-2007, 02:59 PM
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I am no expert but i think what is being discussed is Solipsism. Solipsism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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11-26-2007, 06:21 PM
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| subjective reality theory: I don't think that term is quite right. subjective reality perspective is better. Theories are falsifiable the concept of subjective reality isn't. Quote:
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11-26-2007, 11:46 PM
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I've done it and if the heart of the people involved is for what might be gained and not in trying to support their ideas, it will work. Everyone came to RECEIVE! Twenty one people did it for three days and it was more than rewarding. No one argued, no one tried to prove "their point" and we took a journey in many different directions and world views.
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11-27-2007, 01:07 AM
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Hmmm... So it wouldn't bother them if other people were saying "I'm the only real consciousness, you are my dream," because you are creating them saying that. But you can't say that out loud, because then the other person would say "no, it's the other way round, you are the one that I've created and what you say isn't actually true." Dward: There doesn't need to be an objective reality to organize a gathering. You might be experiencing organizing the gathering over the internet with people you dreamed up, in the present moment. |
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11-27-2007, 07:28 AM
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Terumoto, I don't think you fully understood the Subjective Reality context. There is only ONE consciousness, and it projects all the images in our dream world, viewing the dream world through the perspective of each and every image simultaneously. Yes, I don't believe that you are real, but I don't believe that I am real either. It's not saying that you are the only one who's real and the world is inside your head; it's saying that you are no more real that anything else in this world, and that your head, and the rest of your body, are of this world, which is inside your mind.
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11-27-2007, 10:34 PM
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Your mind is part of the cousciousness but it is not you. That's why it is so important to train to stop thinking (with meditation for instance). When the mind is completely still, then the connexion with your real Self (Consciousness), is experienced. Therefore, to experience subjective reality, we also have...to stop thinking. | |
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11-29-2007, 05:38 AM
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Why do you believe in it? | |
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11-29-2007, 09:14 AM
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Like a telescope. Do you believe in telescopes?
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