Oh All Knowing One

[Rosie]

Has it ever occurred to you that God has never revealed his identity, simply because he fears, or perhaps knows, that the reality of his existence will fail to fulfill our expectations? We must consider the possibility that our omni-potent portrayal of God may very well prove to be an erroneous assumption.

[SecretSeven]

Imagine that God is really just a simple man in the far off future. He saved up enough money to buy a preprogrammed simulation of reality to run, much like our version of Sims.

[emilee]

My feeling is.....there is no "identity" to be revealed. That's a human thing, don't you think? Have you ever felt like you were touched by the Divine- that no other description would fit? emilee

[emilee]

ps......are we really still believing God is a man??? (and functions on the level of the ego????)

[Rosie]

Lol, it was just easier to say him.

[Paul C]

Originally Posted by Rosie

Has it ever occurred to you that God has never revealed his identity, simply because he fears, or perhaps knows, that the reality of his existence will fail to fulfill our expectations? We must consider the possibility that our omni-potent portrayal of God may very well prove to be an erroneous assumption.

You appear to assume that God is something totally separate to the rest of reality, almost as if it were considered a person. Fear is an human emotion, let's no personalize something so indescribable as god. Because the moment someone tries to apply an identity to 'god' its true meaning is lost, then not long after, exploited.

At this moment, I consider that which is labeled 'god' to be reality itself, both that of form and the formless. So, in a matter of speaking, it could be said that god reveals itself the moment you take notice of the present moment, cool, huh?

As for erroneous assumptions? Of course, Humans have a plethora of them. One being that many are so sure of themselves that this is the only representation of reality that exists, because they know nothing more. Although, in the subjective sense, that last part doesn't really matter anyway.

[Maguru]

If god exists and god is not a him or a her, then god must be an it. A thing. A thing that can be every-thing or no-thing. What could this thing be?
No prizes for the right answer.

[Rosie]

All I'm saying is that it's a possibility, just like the God of the bible is also a possibility. I try to stay as open as I can.

[Ernie]

God is neither gender, nor thing, but Consciousness which preceeded birth and knows no death. In essence WE (to the degree of consciousness we have attained) are a part of whatever word you want to give to Consciousness (God, Allah, Braham, Yahweh, etc.)

[Rosie]

Believing in religious fairy tales, and assigning omni-potent qualities to a questionable being in the sky - some call it faith, others call it delusion, I just call it wishful thinking.

My beliefs are as follows:

God may exist. That possibility fascinates me.
God may not exist. That also fascinates me.

As I've learned from reading this blog, it's important not to limit yourself (or others) to one perspective. By remaining open to new possibilities, you're reducing the potential for delusion, and increasing your likelihood of achieving greater knowledge and accuracy.

[Old Soul]

Sometimes while in one of my whimsical moods, I see God like the Wizzard in the movie the Wizard of Oz....

Lesson from a Whirlwind

There is a round trip out of Kansas
Sponsered by "Torndao- Getaways"
To seek out the great one
And all that he has to say
Ruby slippers will be provided
Sized to fit your feet
To guide and protect you
As you journey the golden streets
You musn't become disollusioned
If the Wizzard seems like he's all
"Smoke-N-Mirrors"
He really is a gentle man with wisdom
beyond his years
He is going to remind you
Of something you will have forgot
Saying
"How Can I give to you, something you've already got"!!
You will then return home all the wiser
With an insight as never before
Knowing-
The very love we cherish most
is ner' beyond our front door


Q: Was the tornado necessary for Dorothy to learn this lesson?

[Winston]

To your question Old Soul, I say yes and no. She could have discovered this lesson by some other means, contemplation or something perhaps, but it just so happens that she learned it in that particular way. I suppose what you're trying to point out is that both ways are correct.

As for the question of why God seems not to have revealed Himself, I personally at this point think that there is more to reality than what can be seen, heard, smelled, tasted, or touched. To assume that that is all there is seems a bit narrow minded to me. Maybe part of the purpose of life is learning to trascend ordinary reality and begin to percieve the spiritual.
Maybe this is just a huge nest, and we need to be pushed out in order to learn how to fly, to add another dimension to our existence. Maybe there already exists a lot of spiritual books that hint at how to jump out of the nest, and maybe once we do that we will come to know God, since the way I figure, if higher dimesions of reality exist then God mostly likely exists in those higher dimensions.

[AndreaHess]

Originally Posted by Rosie

God has never revealed his identity

Really? Maybe some of us just weren't paying attention ... I think God reveals his identity all the time.

[Rosie]

You can't attribute those supposed revelations to God specifically. Some say that God is evident in nature, and although I tend to agree, I am speaking of a much different revelation. You may see pictures of the mother that abandoned you as a baby, but unless you make actual contact, your mother's nature will remain largely speculative. We can't know God, but through God himself.

[AndreaHess]

What do you mean - "supposed revelations?" When someone has an experience of God, that is their experience of God. It's not something anyone has to understand, agree with, or have it proven to them. God reveals itself to everyone, in their own way. That's the only revelation that matters, anyway.

Not pictures of God, not inklings or hints of God - experience of God. Yes, actual contact. Happens every day.

[Rosie]

Ah, but are you confusing God's medium with his message. He is his message.

[Rosie]

I don't doubt the validity of your experiences, but I am talking about personal revelation - a self-disclosure, or a metaphorical "hand shake" - something tangible.

[Winston]

I have had experiences where I've had a strong sense that God was involved in what was happening to me, but I can't say that I've had any direct experiences or revelations.
If any of you have had some kind of direct interactions with God, please tell me about them, if its even possible for you to communicate such a thing to another human being.

[Maguru]

I think god is a personal thing, whoever or whatever the individual believes. Even non-believers have a concept of a god they don't believe in.
For example Joyce Meyers' god's personality is remarkably like hers and Neil Walsh (of conversations with god) is uncannily similar to his. There are no two identical images of god and so everyone is right (or wrong).

[Winston]

There can be various interpretations of God, but I do not believe that God is whatever we all believe Him to be and that everyone is right. I fail to see how that is possible. What if certian conceptions of God contradict eachother. How can both possibly be true?

[Rosie]

I agree with Winston. I think that it's just an overly poetic way of explaining something we know very little about.

[Old Soul]

Couldn't agree more with you....

I believe Dorothy needed the lesson, i believe she found God in the tornado, while her message from God was so simple yet profound , that it was overlooked by her God had to remind her of the simplicity

that is just my 2 scents :-)

[Old Soul]

Originally Posted by Winston

There can be various interpretations of God, but I do not believe that God is whatever we all believe Him to be and that everyone is right. I fail to see how that is possible. What if certian conceptions of God contradict eachother. How can both possibly be true?

I believe everyones views are relevant, I don't think God would look for a perfect view of his attributes and mind from our carnal falable minds

However if you happen to be a fundementalist, you are absolutely right in your view...

[Winston]

I agree, of course God does not expect us to be able to see Him as He truly is. I also think that there is some element of truth in most conceptions of God, but I don't mistake that to mean that all conceptions are totally true.
I think there are a number of properties that God definitely has, and a number of properties that God definitely does not have.
In other words I believe that there is one true conception of God that exists, and many of us scratch the surface of what He is, and we do this in different ways, and God may relate to every individual in different ways, giving the appearance that He is perhaps subjective in some way, but really this is not the case.
I am still trying to figure out what it means to have a relationship with God, but I imagine to some extent it is like with any person, in that every person has many different sides to them, yet has for the most part a clearly defined personality. I do not act the same way with my father that I do with my little sister, or my girlfriend for instance. God is one certain way, but it is we who change the way God relates to us, based on where we are in our lives spiritually.

[Rosie]

I don't think God is some objective thing we can define, just like we can't objectively define a human soul.

[Maguru]

Let me put it another way. God is only whatever or whoever to the individual. A single belief or multiple belief does not make anything true but it does create the experience of the belief, or the belief creates the experience. The experience an individual has with god will be unique, based on the personal belief of god. The belief and\or experience is in direct relation to the person's whole consciousness\awareness at that point in time.

Originally Posted by Winston

There can be various interpretations of God, but I do not believe that God is whatever we all believe Him to be and that everyone is right. I fail to see how that is possible. What if certian conceptions of God contradict eachother. How can both possibly be true?

[Old Soul]

Have you ever felt like you were touched by the Divine

yes I believe I have,

[Old Soul]

ps......are we really still believing God is a man??? (and functions on the level of the ego????)

I believe
God is a spirit , however in order for me to undertand and grasp this spirit better , I look to Jesus, a man embodied by God...... "god in man" so to speak

[Old Soul]

God is one certain way, but it is we who change the way God relates to us

I have trouble understanding the above statment, , for example, lets look at God giving Moses the 10 comandments, are you suggesting that this is was not Gods "intended" means of giving us the 10 comandments, that God had to have an alternate plan because of Moses's falability?

or am I misunderstanding what you are saying? , I have no reason to question or know wether this was not Gods intended plan in the first place.... to me that is just arroagance, how can any human know that? lol

[Old Soul]

you're reducing the potential for delusion

I think delusions are all apart of the human experience wether you live in the area of possibility or stand fundemental in a belief.....