What exists at the end of the universe?

[Rosie]

Has anyone wondered what exists at the end of the universe? Does the universe go on forever? What happens when space runs out? Does it simply end? If we were able to travel that far, would we hit a "brick wall" so to speak? Does space extend horizontaly. Or does it come around in a circle, so that if we tried to travel to the end, we'd just end up back at the beginning?

When someone enters space in a rocket, how far could the travel upwards? Does anyone know how high anyone has travelled?

Lol, those are all really interesting questions, ones that would probably be very difficult to answer.

[Brutha]

When someone enters space in a rocket, how far could the travel upwards? Does anyone know how high anyone has travelled? How low could we travel too?

Since the earth is no disc I don't really no what you mean with "low" and "high"

What we call Universe is everyplace within 13.7 billon lightyears of the big bang.
Since things can't travel faster than light nothing (a lot of empty space, for a given definition of empty) is behind that boarder.

[Jennihul]

Or does it come around in a circle, so that if we tried to travel to the end, we'd just end up back at the beginning?

Yeah. Except there is no "beginning..."

Our senses demand things be linear and measurable in linear terms. But the universe/time/space all defy that.

I would guess that there is probably another universe beyond the one we sense. Or that the boundary always stays the same relative distance away from us, as the universe can't exist without our thought entering into it. Maybe that which we can sense is the distance of the thought which we project.


Jennifer

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Rosie

Has anyone wondered what exists at the end of the universe?

I've heard there's a popular restaurant there.

[Mark Lapierre]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I've heard there's a popular restaurant there.

Hehehehe dammit you beat me to it!

Seriously though, it's a good question. The current understanding amongst cosmologists, as I understand it, is that the universe's boundary is undefined. We're not sure what's out there. It's possible that the universe extends infinitely. The common misconception is that when the big bang occurred, the universe existed as a tiny but dense ball of all the matter in the universe, and it then expanded out into empty space.

But cosmologists say that's not right. Everything expanded relative to everything else. There is no "outside", no empty space to expand into. If the universe truly is infinite, it just keeps going beyond the boundary we can observe.

The example some cosmologists use to explain the expansion of the universe is to describe the way a fruit loaf might expand as it's baking. The dough starts off compact, with all the raisins close to each other. Then as it bakes it expands, but the raisins don't all expand from a central point. They expand in all directions, so that from the point of view of one raisin, all the other raisins are moving away. Now imagine that the raisins represent galaxies, and try to imagine that the dough is infinite

Also, as galaxies move away from us the light coming towards us can show us how far away the galaxy is. Except as the universe expands, so does everything inside it, including the space the light travels through. As the space expands the light shifts towards the red end of the spectrum (because the wavelength of the light gets longer), and the further away the galaxy is, the more the light shifts, until eventually it's too dim to see (though we can still detect it as electromagnetic radiation, radio waves, etc).

But even more interesting is the apparent speed at which distant galaxies seem to be moving. The further away something is the faster is seems to be moving away, until it seems to be moving faster than the speed of light! Of course that's not possible, and the galaxy isn't actually moving that fast, but it does have the effect of creating a boundary beyond which we can't see. After all, if nothing moves faster than the speed of light, but the expansion of the universe makes it seem as if something is moving away that fast, the light can't get to us. In other words, there's a boundary beyond which we can't see anything because the light can't reach us. (at least not now. since the expansion isn't constant, that limiting distance isn't constant either)

So taking all that into account, what we observe can be thought of as an imaginary spherical zone within the entire universe, but a zone which is defined by how far we can see. If we were in a galaxy far away from us, we'd be in the middle of a very different zone, but it would be the same size (assuming the rate of expansion is the same, though that might not be true).

And here's a rundown of all of that, plus a lot more.

Rosie, have you been reading those articles that came out some time ago which said that the universe is shaped like a soccer ball? They said that if you travel far enough in one direction you'd end up appearing on the other side, eventually returning to your starting point.

[Rosie]

Wow, thank you Mark. I couldn't have asked for a more insightful response. It will definitely keep me up the next few nights pondering the possibilities of what you've written. I'll check out the link you put up.

All the best,

Rosie

[Rosie]

I was thinking about the "brick wall" idea, and decided that it would simply be impossible. Imagine that an astronaut travelled to the very depth of space, only to discover that something was blocking him from going any further. Upon examination, he deterined that he had reached the end of the universe. However, that can't be right, because every solid object has two sides, and there has to be space on the other side for it to exist, it can't simply exist in one place and not exist in another. Now if there was space on the other side, and he could theoretically penetrate that solid object, then what would be blocking him from travelling any further?

[Pokerman13]

There is a very interesting interview on coast to coast am with Robert Bruce.

A little quote from his site...
Astral Dynamics | Astral Projection, Energy Body, Healing, Kundalini, Auras, Self-Defense

"Robert Bruce is an internationally respected mystic, author and speaker from the land down under (Australia). For over 30 years he has actively explored metaphysical, paranormal and spiritual phenomena, making some groundbreaking discoveries. Robert is the author of the best-selling books: Astral Dynamics, Practical Psychic Self-Defense, Energy Work, and coauthor of the Mastering Astral Projection workbook and audio book with Brian Mercer."

During the interview he gets asked if hes traveled into space and how far. He said he has tried and went as fast as he could flying past galaxies he went and went till he hit a brick wall... literally lol and he said he decided to break down the wall and on the other side was crazy explosions and huge burning rocks just total chaos. He thinks it was the big bang or some glimpse of the beginning of the universe.

I have read half his book astral dynamics and he is very experienced in the area of astral projection i highly recommend it to anyone interested in the subject. This reminds me i have to finish the book geeeez...

[Mark Lapierre]

I'd like to see Robert follow the next space probe out to any of our neighbouring planets and report unambiguously on what he sees there before the signals from the probe make it back to Earth. That shouldn't be difficult for a Master of Astral Projection.

In fact if he can fly to other galaxies I'd bet he'd be a great help to astrophysicists all over the world! Why are we wasting money on expensive, time-consuming experiments here on Earth (and in nearby space) when we could be checking out remote galaxies directly!

[Pokerman13]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

I'd like to see Robert follow the next space probe out to any of our neighbouring planets and report unambiguously on what he sees there before the signals from the probe make it back to Earth. That shouldn't be difficult for a Master of Astral Projection.

In fact if he can fly to other galaxies I'd bet he'd be a great help to astrophysicists all over the world! Why are we wasting money on expensive, time-consuming experiments here on Earth (and in nearby space) when we could be checking out remote galaxies directly!

From what i can gather from your post you don't know much if anything about astral projection... next you will be screaming "why doesn't he complete randis 1 million dollar challenge geez the money is just sitting there waiting for him to go and collect it!!... lolz

[Mark Lapierre]

Yeah that too. You're right, I don't know much about astral projection so all I have to go on are the implications of what you posted. If you can point out where I've misinterpreted that'd be great.

[Pokerman13]

I am by no means an expert on astral projection but I did get very interested for a period of time and even tried it myself and had some very mind opening experiences.

I really try to have a open mind about things and I figured the only way I could figure out if this stuff is for real is to try it myself. I really think that's the only way to prove it because the implications of AP really mess with my version of reality.

I have had some validation through my experiences but I think I need a lot more study and practice before I can know for sure. I definitely see the argument that this is all in my head and I'm just dreaming, but the few experiences I had were so intense and crazy unlike any dream I have ever felt so it leads me to believe something is going on. 360 degree vision is very hard to understand compared to normal perspective and I'm having trouble getting the hang of it, so not being able to see good makes it hard to get around, and thus very hard to validate.

I think Robert Bruce could validate it with space travel but its only going to be a validation for him, I don't think its possible to validate it for yourself through someone else's experience because you can always just say oh its all in his head, he's crazy.

I could probably ramble on forever but I won't, if you really are interested in learning more, refer to the links below

If you want a little on my background in AP I made a thread on this forum, be warned its a long read.
Astral Projection


Astral Voyage - Astral Projection - Make Me Believe!
Erin Pavlina - Spiritual Wisdom for Conscious People » Blog Archive » Astral Projection: The Basics Explained
Astral Dynamics | Astral Projection | Part 1 by Robert Bruce

Treatise on Astral Projection - Part 1 - Robert Bruce

Astral projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hemi-Sync - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Astral Society Forums - Index

[Rosie]

From what I've heard, the astral realm is very unstable. It's difficult if not impossible to control where you go. This would explain why no one has taken Randi's million.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Rosie

From what I've heard, the astral realm is very unstable. It's difficult if not impossible to control where you go. This would explain why no one has taken Randi's million.

The JREF prize isn't real, you know. Try applying for it and see what happens -- you'll just get the runaround until you give up without actually being tested for anything:
PsiPog.net : Beware Pseudo-Skepticism by Peebrain

Anyone can offer a sham prize for publicity reasons. It's easy when you control both the money and the judging. Two years ago I publicly offered the $1 Million Pavlina Prize, which remains unclaimed to this day:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...consciousness/

[jamestl2]

God's House is at the end of the Universe, I tried visiting him, but he had a "Go Away" sign on his front door .

Seriously though, a theory I had is that the Universe doesn't really "end". Once you reach an "edge" so to say, you actually appear on the other "side". It's difficult to explain, just think of the game Asteroids, only on a MUCH larger, spherical scale.

[cdn2wheeler]

I'm kind of partial to the idea that at the end of the universe you'll find all the stuff that you've lost. It's chock full of car keys, rings, the occasional wallet and, of course, jam packed with single unmatched socks. I think it's called the "hose-zone" layer.

[SecretSeven]

I say we all build a rocket ship capable of travelling to the ends of the universe....I'll go get some boxes

[mlbr23]

Any work by Paul Davies, especially The Goldilocks Enigma aka The Cosmic Jackpot, is intriguing and mind-opening when it comes to discussions (speculations) about cosmology.

When you say "end" you meant it in spatial terms. How about in causal terms? Isn't space supposed to be connected to time, as in, space-time?

[Old Soul]

[QUOTE][It's chock full of car keys, rings, the occasional wallet and, of course, jam packed with single unmatched socks. I think it's called the "hose-zone" layer.
/QUOTE]

lol good one i like that!!

[Old Soul]

I don't think there is an end...

I think of the universe in terms of circles, just as planets are round, so is the universe, the only difference being, we can never see the round sphere of the universe , unlike a rocket ship that takes pictures of a round planet... the universe is infanit therefore untravelable by any means

nobody can ever see the sphere of the universe, no science no entity period
even those who are deceased and if they are in spirit form they do not even see it , they know about it in their higher vibration spirit body.. but they can never see the universal sphere, so really we are all little dots inside a round planet, inside a round universe which has no begining or no end

.... just infinity exsistance... that is my story and i am sticking to it

[infinitethoughts]

I agree with the majority of the posters, there is no end.

What's even more interesting is if you change the question around, Has anyone wondered what exists at the end of You?

[Bliss Sage]

I don't understand this question. It feels like asking to find the end of a circle. I thought that anything that exists is within the universe, and anything that exists at the end of the universe would be part of the universe, therefore not at the end of the universe. What is the word "universe" referring to then? How would someone recognize "the end" of the universe? Like blank white, like you see at the end of a cut film? I don't get it...

I had to look up the word in the dictionary, I got so confused by this question:

u·ni·verse (yÁÆnà vûrsÅ), n.
1. the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm.

According to this definition, it is impossible for there to be an end to the universe, because the universe, by definition, is made up of known objects, and even supposed ones and phenomena, which I guess can't even be seen or aren't tangible objects - therefore, anything discovered beyond what is currently within the frames of the "universe" becomes known and therefore part of the universe.

[Rosie]

There is a beginning, and an end to everything in the physical world.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

I'm kind of partial to the idea that at the end of the universe you'll find all the stuff that you've lost. It's chock full of car keys, rings, the occasional wallet and, of course, jam packed with single unmatched socks. I think it's called the "hose-zone" layer.

That must be where the Blue People live, then. The Blue People are, of course, who took all that stuff in the first place. When you turn all red and anxious searching, screaming and cursing, the Blue People are watching you, laughing. They'll keep your stuff as long as you amuse them. And if you relax and let it go, they get bored and end up leaving a $20 in your winter coat pocket, or your missing jewelry on the passenger seat of your car.

On their way back to the Hose Zone, they often dump a lot of the uglier stuff in Santa Monica Bay, to lighten their load.

[cdn2wheeler]

Originally Posted by Angela

That must be where the Blue People live, then.

Isn't that from an old Twilight Zone episode? Seems vaguely familiar...

[Angela]

Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler

Isn't that from an old Twilight Zone episode? Seems vaguely familiar...

No, it's familiar because the Blue People have mind-imprinting powers, and they overlay a sense that you've heard of them and even smelled them in your brain, so they can fully exploit you. Next time you lose a sock or a can't find your keys, stop and take a whiff -- the Blue People are nearby.

[cdn2wheeler]

Aha! Found it! It was a Twilight Zone episode from 1986 called A Matter of Minutes. Brief synopsis here.

(Unless, of course, the mind imprinting thing also works with online TZ databases...)

[Angela]

Oh my god!!!! The Blue People have been exposed on TV?!?!? That's just fictional, though, of course. The REAL Blue People don't build reality, they just shoplift from it.

[Bliss Sage]

Originally Posted by Rosie

There is a beginning, and an end to everything in the physical world.

hmmm...I don't believe that's true

If the universe has an end, then, hypothetically, a really big person could hold the universe in his hand and the universe would have a shape, for example, the shape of a ball. Then he could see the outside layer of the ball as the "end" of the universe, even though that is technically not an end, since I guess something round can't have an end. However, by virtue of his own existence outside of the universe ball, the universe ball is not the whole universe, but only part of it and the person holding the ball necessarily comprises part of the universe, as does the surface on which he is standing and anything outside of the universe ball.

I think the only way we will find an end to the universe is if Man says "Ok, this is the place we will call the 'end of the universe'."

[cdn2wheeler]

Theories abound about the shape of the universe, whether it's open, closed or balanced, and what (if anything) exists outside of it. Here's just a smattering of ideas:

• What is the shape of the universe?
• Is the Universe Infinite?
• The Shape of the Universe

I kinda like the idea that the universe is saddle-shaped... but have nothing to base that on other than my own aesthetic sense (yes, I do have one... kinda...)