Different perspectives in books,which do you prefer?

[Jack]

My understanding of Acim is,we created an illusional world and we should forgive everything in our illusional world and return to kingdom of God.
We should get rid of this material world.There are other books which are similar to this too i think,for example Eckhart Tolle's book,i mean they both say that we should get rid of this world if i understood true.

Also some books say that we should stop desiring,we will be better without desiring.


Some books(for example "Ask and It is Given" or Ramtha)say that we are here for expressing our creativity,desiring is not a bad thing and our desires will become real.I prefer this perspective.I don't want to live without desires or get rid of this world for now.I want to be joyful cause i am here and want to create my desires...Which perspective do you prefer?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Jack

My understanding of Acim is,we created an illusional world and we should forgive everything in our illusional world and return to kingdom of God.
We should get rid of this material world.There are other books which are similar to this too i think,for example Eckhart Tolle's book,i mean they both say that we should get rid of this world if i understood true.

Also some books say that we should stop desiring,we will be better without desiring.


Some books(for example "Ask and It is Given" or Ramtha)say that we are here for expressing our creativity,desiring is not a bad thing and our desires will become real.I prefer this perspective.I don't want to live without desires or get rid of this world for now.I want to be joyful cause i am here and want to create my desires...Which perspective do you prefer?

I don't see the difference in these perspectives because the first ideas about stopping desiring is not what those authors are really saying. They are saying to not be attached to desires.

Which is also said in the LoA stuff with intending and the idea that you can't desire out of feeling lack since then you are putting out the vibe of lack.

[ethereal]

I agree with Wolfgang, there is no contradiction if you recontextualize what they really mean.

There is the desire that stems from lack/ego, and then the desire that stems from fullness/love. With the former, there is endless craving and suffering, and even if you do get what you desire, the pleasure is temporary. With the latter, there is the desire to express, to create, to serve, to love, to fully be yourself and give yourself to the world. If you don't get what you desire, there is no suffering involved because there is no attachment involved.

You can "feel" the difference between the two. The former will feel like a heaviness around your solar plexus area (the chakra of attachment), while the latter is often an overflowing joyfulness around the heart chakra or above.

However, eventually one transcends the latter as well to raise further in consciousness. You don't really give it up, but you just intuitively sense that you're done with the world however much fun it was, and you want to discover what's beyond -- the ecstasy/bliss of merging with God, and the Peace of God when the personal ego is completely dissolved.

As a note regarding the "illusory" world -- it isn't that the world isn't real, it is that it is not as it seems to our perception, our perception is totally clouded up by the ego. We must transcend perception of the world and enter into spiritual vision, where duality dissolves into nonduality -- there is no "you" left to perceive a "world" anymore, you and the world become One. The senses start to withdraw and you focus more and more on the pure consciousness underlying All, rather than dualistic sensory input. This pure consciousness is seen visually as the "white light" that ACIM talks about, the Light of Consciousness.

[absvan]

I have a different perspective and I agree with Jack. The books dont talk about the same thing.

Power of now is about Spiritual enlightement by practising vipasana which will help one rise above the mind and above the mental chatter to see the true nature of reality rather than what the mind dictates.

Ask and it is given does talk about detachment/allowing but the focus of the book is on achieving goals and desires. In fact I dont recall the sentence they mention that we will continue to have more desires even after we have got the current ones and that is OK.

Books on Non duality focus on letting go of desire and accepting what is. There is nothing more needed - no more time spent creating vision boards, no more time spent in visualizing what you want to manifest etc. The focus is on identifying your true nature. You wont find any books on Vedas/Upanishads that focus on creating material wealth in your life.

Having said so, Jack, times are different. The world when Buddah was alive is different from the present world. I think a balance of everything is important. You can ask for wealth and also be spiritual. Detachment is the keyword here.
If you get rich/weath you are happy. If you dont get it you are stil happy.

[Rhythman]

I am trying to live as if I need and want nothing. Having such an attitude has given me insights and states that I could not even imagined desiring. Its as if when I know nothing and want nothing, Reality begins to reveal itself.

Rhythman

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by Rhythman

I am trying to live as if I need and want nothing. Having such an attitude has given me insights and states that I could not even imagined desiring. Its as if when I know nothing and want nothing, Reality begins to reveal itself.

Rhythman

I have found this to be true also.

My old friends can not believe I have totally given up the drive to be CEO/VP/etc since I had dedicated myself to that for many years. It is all unimportant these days for me.

[Jack]

Thanks for your answers...

"Books on Non duality focus on letting go of desire and accepting what is. There is nothing more needed - no more time spent creating vision boards, no more time spent in visualizing what you want to manifest etc. The focus is on identifying your true nature. You wont find any books on Vedas/Upanishads that focus on creating material wealth in your life."

I totaly agree.Books on nonduality focus on letting go of desire and accepting what is,but isn't wanting to let go of desire and want to accept what is,isn't this a desire too?I think there is a always desire,even wanting to be desireless is a desire,isn't it?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Jack

Thanks for your answers...

"Books on Non duality focus on letting go of desire and accepting what is. There is nothing more needed - no more time spent creating vision boards, no more time spent in visualizing what you want to manifest etc. The focus is on identifying your true nature. You wont find any books on Vedas/Upanishads that focus on creating material wealth in your life."

I totaly agree.Books on nonduality focus on letting go of desire and accepting what is,but isn't wanting to let go of desire and want to accept what is,isn't this a desire too?I think there is a always desire,even wanting to be desireless is a desire,isn't it?

Pursuing a desire to be desireless sounds like a paradox, ha? I think this is a mixing up of two points of view that makes it a paradox and by using our either/or thinking. From the ego you desire to be desireless because you are thinking it will bring you something better. That is judgement thinking and putting a heirachy on the path to being whole - that to be more whole is better. But from the unity point of view, that you are heading to, you are not desiring - you are becoming more whole or connected and whne you do that state doesn't look back and say unity is better that individualization. The desires that are to be ditched are the ego's clinging to addictions (which is pretty much what ego is - addiction). The ego can desire to follow a path that other people have used to approach enlightenment. And sure that can be a desire to be desireless. As one gives up on the ego, you also have less desires although the individual can still operate and do things that provide less clinging. Want to be desireless but don't insist on it.

"Accepting what is and letting go of desire" is to say don't fight what you can't change (accepting) and no need to insist in wanting but it's ok to want something as long as it brings less addiction/ego to you and brings you closer to oneness.

[absvan]

Originally Posted by Jack

Thanks for your answers...

"Books on Non duality focus on letting go of desire and accepting what is. There is nothing more needed - no more time spent creating vision boards, no more time spent in visualizing what you want to manifest etc. The focus is on identifying your true nature. You wont find any books on Vedas/Upanishads that focus on creating material wealth in your life."

I totaly agree.Books on nonduality focus on letting go of desire and accepting what is,but isn't wanting to let go of desire and want to accept what is,isn't this a desire too?I think there is a always desire,even wanting to be desireless is a desire,isn't it?

Hmm...Interesting. A desire to be enlightened is definitely a desire because you are looking for that state/place where you want to be....you are striving to get there.

I dont see how accepting "what is" and letting go of everything else is a desire....there is no place you have to be or strive to reach to feel good. You are content with everything the way it is NOW. Atleast thats how I understand.

[Jack]

"I dont see how accepting "what is" and letting go of everything else is a desire....there is no place you have to be or strive to reach to feel good. You are content with everything the way it is NOW. Atleast thats how I understand"

You desired to accept "what is" and desired to let go of everything else,without that desire,you would not do it i think(and this is my understanding ) And you still have desire,because if you remove the desire to accept "what is" you will turn to your starting point i think...