Personal Development for Smart People Forums

Personal Development for Smart PeopleTM Forums


Go Back   Personal Development for Smart People Forums > Personal Development > Spirituality, Consciousness, & Awareness
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Spirituality, Consciousness, & Awareness Spirituality, beliefs, the nature of reality, consciousness, awareness, metaphysics, truth, philosophy, religion


Welcome to the Personal Development for Smart People Forums, the place for lively, intelligent discussion of all personal growth issues -- physical, mental, financial, social, emotional, spiritual, and more.

You're currently viewing as a guest, which gives you limited read-only access. By joining our free community, you'll be able to post your own messages, access many members-only features, see the new messages posted since your last visit, and of course remove this header message. Registration is fast, simple, and free, so please join today.

If you arrived here from a search engine, you may want to explore the main site first, which includes hundreds of deep and insightful articles on a variety of personal development topics.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 10-28-2007, 09:39 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 6
Rakiot is on a distinguished road
Default LoA and free will

Actually I’m contemplating how the LoA is related to free will. That is clear how I can attract money or goods, because they are not live. Therefore I know who is attractor and who (better, “what”) is attracted. But if two (wo)men have met? E.g. if a girl is raped by a criminal should we think that the criminal did not have free will and was attracted by the girl? However, this situation is symmetric so we should decide that both may be the attractors.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 10-28-2007, 09:53 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,016
cdn2wheeler is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakiot View Post
Actually I’m contemplating how the LoA is related to free will. That is clear how I can attract money or goods, because they are not live.
Let's back up just a bit here.

Yes, money and other goodies are not living things and can't have anything remotely resembling freewill. But these sorts of things only come our way through the actions of people; that is, they don't just magically appear out of the air, or dust, or the bottom of the refrigerator. So they come to you by an act of freewill by another person, or group of people. It just so happens that LoA works in conjunction with their freewill to supply you with what you need without diminishing those who are supplying it to you.

Napoleon Hill writes of this in his book, Think and Grow Rich. Essentially, he says that when you give more than you receive, the difference comes back to you multi-fold.

As for your example of the criminal act, that's something that I really don't have an answer for. But I hope that nobody would suggest that a rape victim somehow "attracted" such a violent and demeaning act upon themselves in any way.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 10-28-2007, 09:58 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 6
Rakiot is on a distinguished road
Default

I assume that the girl doesn’t want to be raped. If the rape take place LoA doesn’t work for her and if not -- doesn’t work for him.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 10-28-2007, 10:04 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 6
Rakiot is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler View Post
So they come to you by an act of freewill by another person, or group of people. It just so happens that LoA works in conjunction with their freewill to supply you with what you need without diminishing those who are supplying it to you.
I’ve just read it. Yes, how it works if free wills conflict?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 10-29-2007, 01:05 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 35
Rahzad is on a distinguished road
Default

I recommend reading this, as it pertains to free will and spiritual heirarchy in regards to manifestation. It seems to make a lot of sense in some areas. 3 parts total.

Reality Creation, Part 1
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 10-31-2007, 05:40 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 177
Alex2007 is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Alex2007 Send a message via Yahoo to Alex2007
Default

The I that is my consciousness has free will, but it is way below my conscious awareness to really know. PERIOD
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2007, 07:32 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,031
Jennihul is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Yahoo to Jennihul
Default

The idea of the girl and the rapist is simply explained by the Hicks' when they state that whatever the vibration the girl was feeling matched the vibration the rapist was feeling. Not the the girl had to actively manifest "a rape" for it to happen, nor that the rapist had to actively manifest that particular girl to vent his unfocused ill-will or rage upon.

They just had to be vibrating on the same low level and happened to have proximity for that to occur.

Jennifer
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 11-04-2007, 02:41 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 466
Anagogy is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cdn2wheeler View Post
Let's back up just a bit here.

Yes, money and other goodies are not living things and can't have anything remotely resembling freewill. But these sorts of things only come our way through the actions of people; that is, they don't just magically appear out of the air, or dust, or the bottom of the refrigerator. So they come to you by an act of freewill by another person, or group of people. It just so happens that LoA works in conjunction with their freewill to supply you with what you need without diminishing those who are supplying it to you.
Don't assume that so called "inanimate objects" have no free will. I would ask you to consider the possibility that everything is ultimately composed of thought. Matter is made up of molecules, which are made up of atoms, which are made up of even more sub-atomic particles, which, in turn, are made up of sub-sub-atomic particles down to the tiniest quantum of energy exchange. But this thing we call "energy" is in actuality the same thing as consciousness.

Energy is action, consciousness is action, and they are both the stuff existence is made of. Even the individual cells of of your body are conscious with their own individual "free-will". The universe is like an enormous fractal, on a macroscopic and microscopic scale. The macrocosm is a reflection of the microcosm and vice versa. You are a conscious being whom is composed of many many other conscious beings. You are those being's Higher Self. Your identity, as you would define it, is also embedded in a larger conscious entity whom is your Higher Self.

Now the thing is, even though these "less aware" points of consciousness have their own individual free will, the fact that they are there within you is by virtue of the fact that they harmonize with your overall vibrational essence. The law of attraction can only connect you with things that are vibrationally compatible with you, whether that involves a state of chaos and disharmony, or a state of peace and harmony.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0
Copyright © 2008 by Pavlina LLC