Where the hell is the Devil?

[Christian223]

Funny thing, but all mention of 'hell' in the OT is translational error,

Maybe the word "hell" doesnt exist in the OT, but the concept does, also in the NT.

[Dannyboy1]

Apparently, this person believes David Blaine is in league with the devil because he can't figure out his tricks.

[fwellers]

Originally Posted by Christian223

Maybe the word "hell" doesnt exist in the OT, but the concept does, also in the NT.

The concept of hell exists in the nt, because the translators put it there. They even borrowed concepts from the ot, and changed the meaning of the words to make them fit. How quaint of them.

btw, the greek word 'hades' is just the translation of the hebrew word 'sheol'. It doesn't mean 'hell' any more than sheol does.

[Christian223]

Originally Posted by fwellers

The concept of hell exists in the nt, because the translators put it there. They even borrowed concepts from the ot, and changed the meaning of the words to make them fit. How quaint of them.

Do you have any proof?.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Clarity

The devil is roaming the earth seeking those whom he choses to devour.

Really?

Huh, I didn't know that.
Thanks for letting me know.
I'll keep an eye out for him.

What bus line does he use do you think?

[Christian223]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Really?

Huh, I didn't know that.
Thanks for letting me know.
I'll keep an eye out for him.

What bus line does he use do you think?

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

[Maguru]

I was married to the devil-incarnate for 26yrs without knowing him. He is everywhere, lurking in the shadows of our dark sides. Believe me, he is alive and well.

Originally Posted by Neblasian

I have conflicting views about who he is or if he actually exist. Could he be just part of man's egoistic mind? For instance, the Bible states that the devil is the enemy of your soul. Since the Bible is highly symbolic and our greatest enemy is ourselves it makes sense that he is created by man's ego. On the other had, those who visited the astral plane have reported dark entities and light entities. Is is possible that he is one of these dark entities? Or is that he is the representation of these dark collective consciousness somewhat like how "God" is a representation of the light collective consciousness. Maybe he is really the master demon and like a mob boss his workers are not suppose to even mention his name. Personally I don't know, since I have never contacted spirit guides, higher self, visited the astral realm etc. So any of you who experience such can you shed some light?

[fwellers]

Originally Posted by Christian223

Do you have any proof?.

Here are a few articles. They are from a christian perspective, but describe within them, many translational issues.

The Origin and History of the Doctrine of Endless Punishment

biblical studies: The Soul and the Unseen

biblical studies: The Gehenna of Fire

The Bible Hell

Some of these articles under here, discuss the translational principals of the concordant version of the bible. You may find it enlightening in regards to what you have been sold as biblical truth.
Concordant Expositions (html format) - The Scriptures

[Christian223]

It all seems too forced to me. The bible is clear though:

Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[fwellers]

Originally Posted by Christian223

It all seems too forced to me. The bible is clear though:

Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

In biblical terms this is all referring to when Jesus comes back to earth and literally sets up a kingdom. Those who treated Israel poorly, will be cast out of that kingdom for 1000 years. It does NOT refer to a place of eternal damnation for dead souls.

I would expect though, that if there were a possibility that your ideas about the bible are wrong, in no small part due to poor translations, even the remotest possibility, that you would be all over it, hoping to find out what your heart knows is true, that there is NO ETERNAL HELL.

I can't for the life of me fathom why christians are so hell bent (pun intended ) on there being an eternal hell. When I found out that I had been duped, I was so very happy!!!

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Christian223

It all seems too forced to me. The bible is clear though:

Speaking about "forced" you do realize you base your entire existence on dead words written by people thousands of years ago?

[infinitethoughts]

Christian223

Open your eyes, walk outside and see creation spontaneously bursting forth in everything around you, trees, birds, clicking of the insects, shifting of the clouds in the sky, roar of the waves on the rocks, beautiful arguing of the couple next to you............

Then when you've given up your dead book and see the light, go forth and get your other chistians to to do the same thing.

You'll thank me, later.

[Craiz8]

If Jesus want's my soul, and Beelzeboul wants my soul.
This soul must be pretty important. Maybe I will just keep it for myself.
Or will I be punished for being greedy,(forced into limbo) it was mine to begin with.

As we all agree, religious or not, we are energy. Energy has positive and negative characteristics. We assume that GOD is the utmost positive and satan the utmost negative. GOD wants us to relinquish our negative and satan our positive. Just like a magnet. Our souls must be like a particles of iron cast over a magnet under a piece of paper. Some attracted to each pole. Does this display bad particles and good particles? Considering the magnetism of iron particles can be manipulated...

[fwellers]

Originally Posted by Craiz8

If Jesus want's my soul, and Beelzeboul wants my soul.
This soul must be pretty important. Maybe I will just keep it for myself.
Or will I be punished for being greedy,(forced into limbo) it was mine to begin with.

As we all agree, religious or not, we are energy. Energy has positive and negative characteristics. We assume that GOD is the utmost positive and satan the utmost negative. GOD wants us to relinquish our negative and satan our positive. Just like a magnet. Our souls must be like a particles of iron cast over a magnet under a piece of paper. Some attracted to each pole. Does this display bad particles and good particles? Considering the magnetism of iron particles can be manipulated...

Yeeea, I'll have a little more of that yin-yang talk. :-))

[Christian223]

When I found out that I had been duped, I was so very happy!!!

If you read the bible, you cant reach that same conclution. Ill believe the bible.

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

[fwellers]

Originally Posted by Christian223

If you read the bible, you cant reach that same conclution. Ill believe the bible.

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Hey dude, if you want to believe that the God of all creation is that kind of evil hater, I can't stop you.
Maybe I'll write a book that describes a god who says you must sample the feces of the 2 humped camel every saturday night or you will spend the rest of eternity being swallowed and shat out by boa constrictors.
If I am creative enough, and throw in a little truthful insight here and there, maybe in 1000 years people will worhsip my book.

[Craiz8]

What is obviously out of grasp of our primitive minds. Makes us believe that someone else has the answers. Some book, some dude or chick on TV, some psychiatrist, this building with a bunch of people singing and studying a book, and etc...(I could go on and on). Well if nothing else I have learned from this world is that I am here to fend for myself. There are clues and guides all over the place but to weed out the undefiled is becoming harder and harder every second.

I'm sure even the devout must agree that it is up to them to believe. For to be told or convinced is lying to yourself. But to educate and believe for yourself (the Testimony) is true salvation. Living by example. Words are words, living is life.
Or is believing in yourself the true salvation the true testimony?....Hmmmmmm.......

Attaching an external salvation and testimony to you, is something only you can do. Your own personal (fill in the blank).
Attacking and judging others is out of your scope. One could not possibly understand the compositional conscience of another.

[Craiz8]

Originally Posted by Christian223

If you read the bible, you cant reach that same conclution. Ill believe the bible.

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

I visited the link at the bottom of Christian223's posts...The Way of the Master
During, I was reminded of one failing fact... God knew me before I was even conceived.
That by itself is a conspiracy. He knew I was to make 0/10 out of this online test against the commandments.(to lie is murder) He knew I was to raise questions on the glory. He knew I would logically find contradicting faults in the OT and NT. He knew I would still have hope that the defiled and politically tarnished writings that I have received through generations of defiled "believers", would still give me my own "Personal Salvation".

He knew I was going to be me....

And here I am. Waiting for the debt that all men pay. Trying to leave a honorable wake of offspring and relationships, that he knew about.

And if I don't find myself believing that some other man willingly suffered (beyond my suffering) to relinquish my sins that he knew I was to break, an allowed me to be in the situations to break them. I will face and be judged and undoubtably delivered to the unholiest of places.

I will walk with into hell my head HIGH... Tell satan to eat a _ _ _ _, for undoubtedly I was to be there by GOD's plan.

[Jamie]

I can't imagine any hell worse, than a heaven full of evangelical hard-core Christians (bless em).