Psychology vs. Subjective Reality

[sebzzz]

Hi,

I would like to get some opinions on the following questioning I have:

I've always been interested in psychology, human behavior and related subjects, and even more lately as I'm working to find my purpose in life.

However, Steve opened my mind to much greater than just that with the idea of subjective reality and I'm thankful for that. I'm adhering to subjective reality's thinking because I find it so much more empowering than anything else and gives me so much drive in life.

As modern psychology is mainly applied to an objective reality where everybody is distinct from each other, how can someone use both subjective reality and psychology to solve problems? What parts of psychology to you people believe still have their place in a subjective reality and what other parts don't?

I'm questioning myself on those subjects because subjective reality and psychology can help in similar ways (stress reduction, better ego, motivation, inspiration ...) so I'm considering studying psychology since there is no formal subjective reality studies and the different subjects interest me so much, but I don't want to study in a restrictive field with limited beliefs.

Thanks in advance

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by sebzzz

how can someone use both subjective reality and psychology to solve problems? What parts of psychology to you people believe still have their place in a subjective reality and what other parts don't?

You need to define SR better. SP has podacasted about SR, written Q&A about SR but basically opened his version of SR up to accepting everything into SR which ultimatly undermines a pure SR definition.

You say 'you people' but there are no other people in SR. There are bodies and interaction, but you are the only conscious being in SR, therefore, you are asking questions of yourself.

SR can solve any problem you have, because they are all of your creation and here is the most important part of SR.......

There is no outside, there is no one else, every answer, every solution is inside you, because everything is inside you.

Now you can ask for help, guidance, assistance, love money, pain and suffering, but in a pure SR model, everything is inside. So you can adopt SR where everything else works within it (it doesn't) and you can blend SR with everything else (that's not SR) or you can play the pure SR game......

You already know everything, but you also know you're playing a game where you already know everything.

Max
"Don't tell me I'm God...I already know that"

[Alex2007]

I am wondering about the advances of the psychology field since the Freud era.

There was no such thing as Ego identification with the oneness back then....

[Mark Lapierre]

Ahhh, something close to my heart. Well, sorta.

But firstly, psychology and SR are two different things. Psychology is the study of mental processes and behaviour. SR is a perspective, a way of viewing reality. You cannot compare the two directly and expect to make any useful observations.

SR itself cannot solve problems (since it's a perspective, not a method/process/guide), but viewing reality from an SR perspective can help you to deal with problems. The belief that all is one is a very powerful belief which allows you to accept any experience as something perfect, no matter how traumatic it may seem initially.

However psychological studies also show that most people cannot accurately predict what will make them happy, and that after experiences which most people would consider fates worse than death, many people truly feel happier than before that experience. Studies have also shown that what people expect to make them happy, doesn't. Finally, others have shown that people who expect to be made happy by a specific experience, may remember being as happy as they expected months after the experience was over, yet measures of their happiness during the experience showed that they were not as happy as they expected or would remember.

So, can you combine SR and psychology? I think you can. Psychology can be used to avoid the pitfalls of perspectives and beliefs such as SR. And if your belief structure is flexible enough to accommodate it, SR can help you maintain a very positive attitude towards existence, which some aspects of psychology may threaten (it's difficult for some to face and accept their limitations, and difficult for others to face and accept their greater abilities).

But be careful, a solid understanding of psychology may undermine a belief in SR. If that belief is important to you now, be prepared to let it go if you start studying psychology seriously.

Alex2007: Freud's theories have been largely discredited. Since his time there has been a lot of work done in different areas of psychology, on all that he theorised and more. There are now many more methods of therapy, many more theories of development (and they're much more complete and more accurate), and greater understanding of levels of consciousness and their interactions.

btw, there was knowledge of ego-identification and oneness back then. Just probably not in Western society. Except for the work of William James which did discuss oneness, though not in the same way as SR considers it.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

Alex2007: Freud's theories have been largely discredited. Since his time there has been a lot of work done in different areas of psychology, on all that he theorised and more. There are now many more methods of therapy, many more theories of development (and they're much more complete and more accurate), and greater understanding of levels of consciousness and their interactions.

Thats probably the biggest problem with relying on psychology. Freud would have felt exactly the same way. Confidently believing that he had made certain breakthroughs and that he had overcome ignorance and discovered true reality. That he was teaching the truth. Just like in a while, someone else will be certain of overcoming ignorance, and will be certain of teaching reality, pointing out the inaccuracy of, and discrediting today's accepted and taught theories. Glaringly, and even more glaringly ignored, it is the never ending hallmark of science. Did they really believe that back then? Thank goodness we have discovered the real truth...again. No, listen,this time we really have!!! Its all subjective in the end, reality.

[geekchic9]

Originally Posted by Uplift

Thank goodness we have discovered the real truth...again. No, listen,this time we really have!!! Its all subjective in the end, reality.

No reasonable person who studies the sciences would say that the "real truth" has been discovered for certain. They would more likely say they are gradually coming closer to the truth with each discovery. The sciences can only show so much.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by geekchic9

No reasonable person who studies the sciences would say that the "real truth" has been discovered for certain. They would more likely say they are gradually coming closer to the truth with each discovery. The sciences can only show so much.

Exactly. But, as the record books clearly show, and as many Indigenous Cultures bear testament to, lots of unreasonable believers do.

I guess they would have to hope they are getting closer to the truth, rather than further away from it, seeing as you rightly point out, there is absolutely no certainty everytime the same old story happens. Or do you mean, 'we aren't certain its right, and despite the mistakes, we are just certain it will be'?

The truths of the day work fine, its all subjective. Indigenous Australians were doing fine (for somewhere between 40,000-120,000 years), along with many other Indigenous Cultures, before we blasted them with our version of the scientific truth.

[Freelancer]

Is it perhaps possible to use the frame work of psychology study in area's of your life where it apply's and the frame work of subjective reality in general?

As Steve put it, putting a different lens on for different situations. Subjective reality isn't the ultimate truth and neither is psychology so use whatever is most appropriate to the present moment, be carefull not to identify with any one mental position. A solid position only stunts growth...



Edit; Even subjective reality is subjective.