Darkworkers

[ticktockclok]

It seems like most here are "lightworkers"; I was wondering if there were any darkworkers other than myself. Everything has been going a lot better for me after I polarized as a darkworker, and I'm just curious as to whether there are any others out there.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by ticktockclok

It seems like most here are "lightworkers"; I was wondering if there were any darkworkers other than myself. Everything has been going a lot better for me after I polarized as a darkworker, and I'm just curious as to whether there are any others out there.

I tend to do better as a darkworker. I don't (yet) know how to achieve something for love and for others.

[Freelancer]

I'm pretty much a darkworker in Steve's terms.

[Akashic_Librarian]

I'm a Darkworker insofar as I consider myself better able to serve others by first serving myself.

[Maguru]

I've always thought of myself as working in the dark, as in I would accomplish something without others knowledge. What definition do you give darkworkers?

Originally Posted by ticktockclok

It seems like most here are "lightworkers"; I was wondering if there were any darkworkers other than myself. Everything has been going a lot better for me after I polarized as a darkworker, and I'm just curious as to whether there are any others out there.

[ticktockclok]

I am consciousness. Basically, by being a darkworker, I see it as sending out intentions to benefit "my avatar/ego" instead of the other things in reality.

Bit wordy, but basically, I work for myself. So it is different from your idea of a darkworker.

[Sam988]

I'm a darkworker too; my motivation is to get the best for me first, after that i might give some spoils to others

[Nelson]

I pursue my own happiness at all times so you could call me a darkworker.

[Maguru]

I am surprised at the definitions of darkworkers as I was raised to believe that was sneaky, not to mention selfish. ha ha I see now that prioritizing self is a good thing but does this way of being have any adverse effects on anyone else? I'm meaning cause and effect. In what way does it operate?

[Maguru]

I understand this as I did the opposite and that is a big no no. However, I see some serving self first who don't seem to care or don't know the effects on others. I do believe that taking responsibilty and control of ones own life is the message to pass on but maybe with some caution or an understanding of action and reaction.
I suppose we are looking for some integrity in being a dark worker but that can be said of being anyone. I will be putting myself first from now on. I don't think the world needs any more compromise, sacrifice and martyrs.
I am converted

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

I'm a Darkworker insofar as I consider myself better able to serve others by first serving myself.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Ahh scratch my previous post, I would say I am still undecided I think.

[ticktockclok]

Being a darkworker doesn't mean you should go around being an ******* to everyone else and just shoving them out of your way. There's no way that is going to help yourself in the long run, or even in the short run. You'll have no friends, no connections, and no help if you ever need it.

[Maguru]

Absolutely, but there are some who are ...... and shove you out of the way and they still have friends and family because they are like-minded. So what do we do when we are the ones being shoved?

Originally Posted by ticktockclok

Being a darkworker doesn't mean you should go around being an ******* to everyone else and just shoving them out of your way. There's no way that is going to help yourself in the long run, or even in the short run. You'll have no friends, no connections, and no help if you ever need it.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by Maguru

Absolutely, but there are some who are ...... and shove you out of the way and they still have friends and family because they are like-minded. So what do we do when we are the ones being shoved?

You stand up for yourself. In other words, if someone abuse you, you ditch their friendship/etc. It takes two to have an abusive relationship - the abuser and the one accepting the abuse.

[Freelancer]

Originally Posted by Freelancer

I'm pretty much a darkworker in Steve's terms.

scratch this, put me under indecided...

[Lider]

Im working my way towards being a darkworker. I am not quite there yet, and I belive that it will take some time, but yes I have started to get the benifits of climbing the darkworker ladder.

It really makes me smile to read the lightworker threads! They have no idea. They think we all opperate the same way and that all of us are Evil! Every post gives me a chuckle.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Lider

Im working my way towards being a darkworker. I am not quite there yet, and I belive that it will take some time, but yes I have started to get the benifits of climbing the darkworker ladder.

It really makes me smile to read the lightworker threads! They have no idea. They think we all opperate the same way and that all of us are Evil! Every post gives me a chuckle.

But aren't you doing the very thing you are accusing them of -- lumping them into a stereotypical category? Not all lightworkers think darkworkers operate the same way.

Evil isn't a very specific label. Its like asking someone what evil is. What is it? How do you define "evil" or "good" for that matter? The labels: service to self, and service to others, (aka darkworker/lightworker) are a little more specific, in that the labels denote specific functionality. But people still get confused. Neither is evil OR good. Rather, they are pathways for conscious energy to take.

Both lightworkers and darkworkers serve self and serve others. Lightworkers serve self THROUGH others whilst darkworkers serve others THROUGH self. The lightworker would hold the wellbeing of the group above the wellbeing of themselves if they were in a position to have to choose. The darkworker, conversely, would hold the well being of their self over the well being of the group.

Cultivating self for selfish reasons is darkworking, and cultivating self for integration with others is lightworking. So many lightworkers think they are darkworkers because they want to develop themselves. But we have identities for a reason. We are to either integrate them harmoniously (lightworking), or bring order to chaos with our strength or force of will (dark working).

The lightworker wants everything to be distributed equally. The darkworker wishes to be elite. Often, a darkworker will take a "survival of the fittest" approach to things in life. Those who are strong enough, "deserve" things, and those who are not, are lesser beings whom the darkworker feels should be controlled "for their own good".

A good way to distinguish whether a given action is lightworker or darkworker is to ask yourself if the action is motivated by love of self, or love of others. Personally, I've never cared for the labels of "darkworker" or "lightworker", but there is some truth to the polarity concept and building metaphysical power within yourself.

[The Cloud]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

The lightworker wants everything to be distributed equally. The darkworker wishes to be elite.

Why is there no third category for somebody that won't serve himself by taking from others, but won't serve others by taking from himself? Maybe I'm confused about the definitions of Lightworkers/Darkworkers, but both of them seem flawed to me, because both of them are primarily concerned with other people.

Lightworkers try to help others, often at the expense of themselves. Fundamentally this philosophy seems flawed. How does a Lightworker decide how much personal sacrifice is enough? There are so many people to help in the world that giving everything and more would not be enough. So the ideal, if truly followed, results in death. Not very ideal, if you ask me. So any middle ground between service to yourself and to others would be arbitrary, which certainly doesn't lend itself to what is supposed to be a self-consistent polarization.

Darkworkers, on the other hand, are willing to take from others if it benefits them. Thus, they must attribute the same right to others. This necessarily leads to a life of fear, spent trying to secure themselves and their belongings against a greedy horde. That doesn't sound like happiness to me, spending your time trying to squeeze as much as you can from the people around you while giving as little as possible in return, and always fighting everybody lest you be bested. Because to be elite is to be better than everyone, which means everyone else sets the bar for your life. You have little control, because you've given it over to all the people that might be better than you.

I would rather live a life where I am not concerned with whether or not somebody is better than me, as long as I am doing as I desire in my own best interest. A life where I give, and take, only in honest exchange with other individuals. A life where I don't have to worry about the problems of my fellow man, which are often self-induced, because I attribute to them the same right I have; to live their own life and accept the consequences of their own choices, good or bad. Of course, that does not mean that I would help no one, I simply would do so only in exchange for something that I denote as equal or greater in value (not necessarily material). My selfless giving will teach no one how to produce for themselves. My selfish desire for superiority will gain me nothing, except the hollow victory of having others think I am better.

So I accept neither pole as correct. I will be a Twilightworker.

[jaydeschizo]

Sigh...

Most people don't really seem to grasp the darkworker concept, most appear to be hung up on the word evil.

I am a darkworker. I do things for me, and not for anybody else. I'm not a scared little fear monkey. I do not fear the so-called greedy horde because it doesn't exist.

People also seem conviced that darkworkers would contribute nothing to the world. That's stupid, I want the best and the most for me. Will I get that by stealing and cheating? Yes, but I rather value my freedom, and stealing and cheating isn't infinitly scalable.

So how else would I get what I want? By providing others with what they want. I want there resources, not their sympathy, they will give me their resources willingly if I provide them with (perceived) value. That's a model that's scalable, the more I provide the more I get.

In the end I might do exactly the same as a so-called lightworker, but I'll do it for me not for the rest.

Is that evil? Depends on who you ask.
Is it selfish? Sure.
Do I care? No.

Oh and the only reason I took the effort to write this, is because people missing the point started to annoy me greatly.

And if I am wrong on the definition of darkworking, I don't care, I'm happy anyway.

[mercuryrising]

I just want to clarify. The people calling themselves darkworkers agree to the following statement from Steve's blog:

To a true darkworker, the life of another human being is as inconsequential as the life of a food animal. The energy of other people is nothing more than a meal or a snack. If the darkworker drains or harms other people on the path to his goals, it’s considered no big deal. The darkworker has to eat, right? Other people are valued only in terms of their ability to bring the darkworker pleasure.

Hypothetical situation:

You have a plan to rob a bank and you know without a doubt you won't get caught. However, you will have to shoot a few people and kill somebody's mom who got in the way. Then there's that kid you'll paralyze when you run him over in the getaway car. You don't care right? All you want is the money.

Just checking.

[Cran]

Although I do not agree with Steve about many things he thinks/writes about darkworker, I think I fit into his definition.

I do not believe in a higher purpose (karma, God, devil, ying and yang, sin, redemption, good and bad/evil as moral categories, whatever) and therefore I do not believe that there is an absolute "good" that is to be attained by good works. Good is what pleases me and does me good.
So I see absolutely no reason to do things that benefit others, but usually I see no need to tell that to the people I am dealing with on a day-to-day basis.

Although I have to add that imho, even the "lightworker" as defined here is selfish to a certain degree: He gets personal satisfaction put of doing "good".

[Akashic_Librarian]

Originally I thought I would prefer to be a Darkworker, then I wanted to be a Lightworker, then it was like a ping pong match...back and forth. Back and forth.

Right now...I am a student, and by God to be a student you have to be selfish, so much so you have to disregard socialising with your friends so that you can study, disregard others so that you can get the top grades. Its merciless.

And I am ok with embracing Darkwork to see me through these next few years. If I have to go to the gym instead of walking home with my friends, if I have to protest at the choice of restaurant or takeaway because of ethical issues, then by God I will.

I want to leave school in about 8 years with a PhD in Psychology, and I don't see how being a Lightworker can be the most efficient way to get there.

[wolfgang]

it seems that people think learning is a darkworker approach. you can't be a lightworker and study subjects and be effective? hmm...

or what about that lightworker that feels good about the deeds - why would that be DW? a lightworker isn't able to feel good about him/her self? DWs have exclusive rights on feeling good about themselves? really?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by The Cloud

Why is there no third category for somebody that won't serve himself by taking from others, but won't serve others by taking from himself? Maybe I'm confused about the definitions of Lightworkers/Darkworkers, but both of them seem flawed to me, because both of them are primarily concerned with other people.

I think they are flawed too.

Lightworkers try to help others, often at the expense of themselves. Fundamentally this philosophy seems flawed. How does a Lightworker decide how much personal sacrifice is enough? There are so many people to help in the world that giving everything and more would not be enough. So the ideal, if truly followed, results in death. Not very ideal, if you ask me.

Steve calls this lightworker's syndrome. Which is to say there's an out of balance in giving to others and forgetting about yourself. And then this very idea of a syndrome makes lig