Subjective Reality as a Mirror To Subconscious

[impaul99]

I've been thinking about this lately.

For the purposes of this discussion, lets assume we live in a purely subjective reality, 100% no doubts about it.

So, really basically I exist and I create everything I see "out there" based on my beliefs, the vast majority of which are subconscious and automatic. ie. I have a subconscious belief that the sun will rise tomorrow that I hardly ever think about.

As such, I have come to realize that really the "world out there" is kind of a mirror of our subconscious beliefs. Basically, we don't really need to "dig deep" or hire a hypnotist to try to figure out what we believe subconsciously about how things work. Just open your eyes and look outside. If you see people rushing around being busy and working hard to make a living, then that is your subconscious belief.

If you see war "out there" then that is your subconscious belief.

Therefore, the best way to validate that you're making progress changing your subconscious beliefs is by look "out there" to see what's happening. For example, when I first started learning about Law of Attraction, nobody "out there" believed in it. WHy? Because *I* didn't believe in it (subconsciously), even if I believed it consciously because it made sense.

Then, as I slowly began practicing it and building my conscious belief, weirdly enough the world out there cought up and "The Secret" came out "out there" in the world (really just my subconscious catching up), and then Oprah endorsed it and now like 50-60% of the people I know "out there" have at least heard of the secret and probably half believe in it to some degree.

To me, that would indicated that *I* believe in it at a subconscious level about 50%.

Does this make sense to anyone of you "out there"?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by impaul99

To me, that would indicated that *I* believe in it at a subconscious level about 50%.

Does that 50% feel about right to you, at a conscious level?
Do you have an aim of some kind regarding subjective reality -- either in your own life or for the world?

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Angela

Does that 50% feel about right to you, at a conscious level?
Do you have an aim of some kind regarding subjective reality -- either in your own life or for the world?

It was just an example. It could be 95%, 2% or 99.99999%.

My point simply being that you can just look out into the world and see your subconscious mind.

It's like imagine you could plug in a little USB port into your BRAIN and on your computer screen it showed you a 3D picture of a world based on the sum of ALL your CURRENT subconscious beliefs.

Well, it's just like that, except that it's not on a computer screen, it's more of a 3D holographic projection/illusion that appears to surround you from all directions.

So if for example you wanted to "break gravity" and you started focusing your CONSCIOUS mind on conditioning and training your subconscious mind on something like "GRAVITY DOESN"T EXIST" for example using whatever method (affirmations, Silva Method, incantations, whatever). And you did this for like 3 hours each day for 90 days and you were wondering whether or not your subconscious was "getting re-programmed" all you have to do is look outside. If you turn on the TV and you hear "Latest news! Scientists have created an anti-gravity device that will allow airplanes to ...." then it means its starting to work.

[Uplift]

Subconscious conditioning is really shaping. For instance one culture will crave mud worms and savour the slimy feeling of them sliding down their throats, wriggling all the way. Never having a desert, or trying to resist junk food doesn't even cross their mind. Another culture will throw up at the mere thought of eating the same worm, and will expend much energy thinking about deserts, or resisting junk food.

When I studied Indigenous Australian language, it was an awesome, enlightening experience. I was all ready to learn how to speak a local dialect. The subject and lessons were so different to what I envisaged. It was about Indigenous Australian belief regarding langauge and communication compared to Western belief.

The focus was on communication and the language of environment well before conception. Indigenous Australians believe much has already been communicated and understood at the time conception occurs, and the conception is the sum of all that. Then the developing foetus is subject to constant communication and language during its whole time in the womb. By birth it is the sum of all that. They view our focus on the spoken word as not recognising the big picture. That words are a tiny part of communication.

I believe it is really important to understand subconscious conditioning, and its role in colouring conscious thought and awareness.

[Angela]

Hey, Paul, your answer to my questions was theoretical, but I was asking about YOUR experience, in particular. Is that not something you want to share?

[Dharma]

Everything is a reflection of you. Not just a theory, its the reality.
That's my experience of it.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Dharma

Everything is a reflection of you. Not just a theory, its the reality.
That's my experience of it.

Yep, agreed.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Angela

Hey, Paul, your answer to my questions was theoretical, but I was asking about YOUR experience, in particular. Is that not something you want to share?

Uhm.... I would say that in my personal experience of people that *I* know, most of them have heard of "The Secret". Why? Because I like to tell people about it

However, there are some people who I know that are not open to things like that for different reasons so I don't talk to them about such things. For those people I don't know if they've heard or seen The Secret or LoA.

So people within my immediate experience, I would venture a guess that probably 50% have seen the movie. Another 25% have heard of it, but haven't seen it. The other 25% don't care, haven't heard of it, haven't seen it. However, from pretty much EVERYONE, without any exception that I know, they are using it day to day. They just don't know they are.

For example, I know people who have said things like "Ah, who knows, I'll probably get cancer when I'm young anyways." and guess what happened? I know people who constantly attract car problems. I know people who are constantly victimized by someone or other. I know people who attract wealth from everywhere, etc. etc.

Even if they don't call the processes by the names we do, everyone I know is using the Law of Attraction.

One other example I can give. My older brother always said he didn't believe in this stuff. But then, he took a picture of a car he wanted and put it on his desktop on his laptop. Now he has that car, and he attracted it in a really weird way. He finally said to me "Maybe there's something to this stuff."

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Dharma

Everything is a reflection of you. Not just a theory, its the reality.
That's my experience of it.

The *theory* part of it in my mind is the DEGREE to which it is a reflection.

Meaning, is there any part of anything I experience in my day to day life that has nothing to do with me, or is EVERYTHING part of me? Like for example, when I walk into a supermarket and in this supermarket there is about 400 lightbulbs up high in the ceiling and one is burned out. Did my subconscious create that?

I guess it goes back to something else as well. It goes back to whether we believe there is only ONE of us out there, or multiple ones out there. Like is there actually billions of people on this earth and we all share a common subconscious mind that connects us all and creates this reality, or is there just me (you in your case) and that's it?

Ah crap, I just opened up this door again.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by impaul99

For the purposes of this discussion, lets assume we live in a purely subjective reality, 100% no doubts about it.

SR as I accept and believe it works means there is no we. SR is not about a human POV, it's about understanding that true self is not human at all and allowing that belief to empower your avatar/human bean.

When we think about where we are, we can see we're not in a body at all. So where are we?............that's the trick of SR, there is no where, because consciousness is not physical, so it has no place. Our reference to understanding self is always biased towards physical self.

The entire reality of the physical is a made up rendering of a non physical being/entity which we label consciousness.

So why do we think we're a human being??............for rendering purposes. If we can create dense physical matter instantly from our own energy source, then we're going to need a way to immerse true self into that creation, hence the observer/avatar/human being.

So we accept resonsibilty for all the creation in our observers awareness, but what about all the stuff we observe that we don't seem to be intending to manifest??.............continuity.

Everything that just exists in physical reality that we don't seem to be consciously creating is created for continuity purposes. The real issue is point of reference. I have a point of reference that is unique to me and you say you have one also, but I can never believe that you do, for I am the only one that has that unique point of reference.

God uses God's powers to make God powerless to experience what it's like to not be God.

Welcome to consciousness

Max

[ethereal]

I think there are many levels at which SR can be experienced, and the confusion creeps in when we start mixing them or think we are at one level when we are actually at another.

For the super spiritually advanced, I think they are (partially) experiencing non-dual awareness, which is awareness with no subject/object. At that point, there is only "you", there is no world or person or thought or even reality (although to normal perception, there is). There is no more "reality" to perceive or experience or create, there is just this non-dual awareness that you know as your Self. I myself haven't experienced this level yet (or even the 2nd level below), but I know other people are. This is probably the highest level of experiencing SR, which by reading some of the posts here, I think a few people are starting to get into.

For the spiritually advanced, people are fully experiencing IM/LoA in full-force, i.e continuous synchronicity. The mind is purified so much that things automatically manifest with little to no delay. Whatever you think of or feel, you automatically see the reflection out there in the world. This is where you see perception automatically creating/manifesting reality. This is the second level, which I believe many people (and growing) are experiencing.

For the spiritually conscious, people are seeing IM/LoA in limited instances. The mind still isn't purified enough to experience SR fully, but it is enough for bits and pieces of it to come through. This is where you see how our perception/interpretation "colors"/interprets what is reality, and is one degree lower than actually shaping reality. This is the third level, which most people on this forum is starting from.

This is just how I decided to separate the levels, it's actually more like a continuum. The trick is to accurately assess where you really are, where you should be going, and how to get from where you are to where you should be

[Dharma]

impaul,
The degree of reflection is 100%. Most everything is a manifestation from your subconscious (what I call the unconscious). We do very little conscious creation at this time, but that's where things are changing.

In the supermarket example, yes, your subconscious created that. Try saying to yourself "I am alive in those lightbulbs". It feels weird to me, but I use that as a game to let my mind get used to the truth. I am alive in this pen, this flower, this desk, this cat....

Originally Posted by impaul99

I guess it goes back to something else as well. It goes back to whether we believe there is only ONE of us out there, or multiple ones out there. Like is there actually billions of people on this earth and we all share a common subconscious mind that connects us all and creates this reality, or is there just me (you in your case) and that's it?

Ah crap, I just opened up this door again.

/Oh noes! Dharma runs and hides.

I side with Seth (Jane Roberts) on this one. We are multiple-selves having multiple experiences. Self (the term i use for the one consciousness) creates multiple viewpoints at which to experience itself from. On this planet we have ga-zillions of people, animals, insects, plants, minerals, and objects. All these are conscious in a way and all have an experience self desires.

On edit -
It seems no matter who you are, enlightened master or fearful curmudgeon, you get a distinct physical self to express and experience from. But that might be a bunch of denial. (I don't worry about it.)

If you see the body, the world, and the universe around you, you can see how vast the unconscious self is. It's huge, endless. That's all you!

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Dharma

I side with Seth (Jane Roberts) on this one. We are multiple-selves having multiple experiences. Self (the term i use for the one consciousness) creates multiple viewpoints at which to experience itself from. On this planet we have ga-zillions of people, animals, insects, plants, minerals, and objects. All these are conscious in a way and all have an experience self desires.

The "problem" with this is that then that means that there is SELF (one consciousness) and then there is a few billion people on earth (pieces of the one SELF) and then that means that I (Paul) am not 100% responsible for what I experience. For example, the war in Iraq is not my problem. Some other "piece" of my SELF out there, actually a group of pieces is responsible for those events and I (Paul) am somewhat powerless to do anything about it. As such, I (Paul) would rather focus my conscious effort on something like getting rid of the weeds in my driveway because they are within my immediate vicinity, or creating peace within my family, or whatever.

Also, in this "Multi-self-verse" I (Paul) am limited by the sum of all subconscious beliefs of all the multi-selves. So if I (Paul) want $1M dollars, but the other billion people don't want me to have it, then I will never have it. (just an example, it could just as well be a lamp, or toothpaste, so lets not get into a discussion of greed or whatever as that's not my point).

It then makes this world exist whether or not Paul is conscious at all, and thus limits the amount of responsibility I (Paul) has for this world to about 1/Few Billion.

If this is the case, SR is kind of a useless concept from my point of view.

For some reason, my experience tells me different. I don't know how to prove it or how it even works, but I get this distinct feeling that I (Paul) am resonsible for everything in this world 100%. All the "people out there" are actually just figments of my imagination just like the people in my dreams. They seem to be talking and interacting with me, and it SEEMS like they can think like I can think, but it's all just an illusion. The people in my dreams don't think. If two of them walk over to a corner of the room and whisper something to eachother so that I (Paul) don't hear them, they aren't really whispering anything because they don't exist, they don't think, etc. They only do it because I am creating the experience of having two people go off and whisper something for whatever reason.

Essentially what I"m saying is that within this kind of thinking, there is no "out there" at all. It's kind of like the Holodeck on Star Trek. The only thing that physically exists is whatever is within the vicinity of my body, so kind of like a bubble surrounding me. Outside of that, everything phases out of existance. If somehow I "erased" my thoughts about the war in Iraq, there would be no war in Iraq. Thousands of troops wouldn't have to pull out. No airplanes would have to fly out of there. No battleships would have to sail out of some sea. It just would cease to exist in the first place.

[Zukin]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Essentially what I"m saying is that within this kind of thinking, there is no "out there" at all. It's kind of like the Holodeck on Star Trek. The only thing that physically exists is whatever is within the vicinity of my body, so kind of like a bubble surrounding me. Outside of that, everything phases out of existance. If somehow I "erased" my thoughts about the war in Iraq, there would be no war in Iraq. Thousands of troops wouldn't have to pull out. No airplanes would have to fly out of there. No battleships would have to sail out of some sea. It just would cease to exist in the first place.

I talked a little about that exact subject in this thread:
Why did I start the Iraq War and how can I end it?

I write down all my goals and will spend time meditating, visualizing, and thinking about them. I've experienced interesting coincidences. For example, I joined a group on Facebook that focused on peace in Darfur. I also started to spend more time thinking about that subject. The next day, the UN announces that 26,000 troops will go to Sudan to keep the peace.

A few days ago, when I made my post on the Iraq War, I started thinking more about how peace could be gained in Iraq. Shortly after, I read that the US government announced that troops would start withdrawing.

Another one of my mantras that I meditate on is "all news is good news." I was thinking about that mantra one day and then started watching the BBC news. It was all positive news! I've never seen that happen before on the BBC news or any other news program.

Skeptics would say that this is an example of confirmation bias, but I think it is interesting nonetheless.

I have one question for Paul and others who are familiar with subjective reality: Is the reason that we don't have everything we want because we have limiting beliefs about how things have to happen in a certain way?

[ethereal]

I agree with Paul's theory, except with one modification -- the "you" that you think you are, is equally a figment of your imagination as all the other people. Whoever you think you are, and whatever you think you're doing and experiencing and thinking, is just an imagination of what your (and our) true Self/Consciousness is dreaming up for your particular imaginary ego.

If you add that part in, then it all fits wonderfully. But if you don't, it's a slippery slope towards solipsism IMO.

[Dharma]

Paul,
You're still playing with separation. If there's 7 billion people in the world and they're all you, how are you not responsible? I don't think you're taking into account how BIG consciousness is. Our awareness isn't big enough to fathom that much interrelated activity and still see it as ourselves. I limit my scope to the people around me an major events (like the Iraq war) and leave it at that. I know that everyone I meet is a reflection of me and I won't agree with half of them on certain issues. It's ok, I'm just showing me another part of me I didn't know about.

In the Iraq war example you're not seeing those pieces of self as you. You're still separated. You might say, "I'm totally against war... those pieces of me don't mirror me one bit." Oh, but they do. This is the tough part of oneness. Welcome to yourself. You like war. You've been doing it for thousands of years.

(This is what you do about it... you're not powerless. The war you need to fix is the war within yourself. Find those places inside yourself where you fight yourself and 'others'. Choose peace instead. Choose connection to self. Let go of the drama and agitation. That will effect the outside events. That will effect the leaders of the world (who you may not agree are you.))

In your $1M it's quite apparent. You have to fight with all these 'others' to get your 1M bucks, cuz they're not going to let you have it. If the people don't want you to have it, that would be a reflection of your choice NOT TO have it. That choice is probably not in your conscious awareness, but the world, your trusty mirror, is showing it to you so you can address it.

Originally Posted by impaul99

It then makes this world exist whether or not Paul is conscious at all, and thus limits the amount of responsibility I (Paul) has for this world to about 1/Few Billion.

In this world we play with truck-loads of denial. There's plenty of stuff we are unconscious about, but we are still responsible even though we are layering denial over it. If you erased your thoughts of the Iraq war it would still be going on, outside your awareness.

[cylon]

When we dream, we create everything. So in your light-bulb example Paul, if it were a "dream-dream", you would have created it. For what purpose? Don't know. Our dream worlds are so complex, and we believe they are real because they have all those little things like burned-out lightbulbs. The only thing they don't have is the sense of time we have in the "waking world", or identity. Like in my dreams, I will sometimes turn into other people or other people will turn into someone else, etc. Or years or hours will pass in just a moment.
But it's entirely convincing.

Why are we even ABLE to have dreams like that in the first place?

I think the waking world is the exact same way. For me either synchronicities come all at once, to where they blow me away and scare me, or they "don't" come, because of my previous conditioning and fear of the unknown.

But, at the end of the day, I have to say that it appears that when you're in the right mindset, the EVERYTHING seems to be a reflection of YOUR individual thoughts... be it something on the tv, a song you hear, overhearing someone on a cell phone say exactly what you're thinking about, getting a phone call you wanted, an article you read, and when you stand back it's like it almost had to unfold that way. It all makes perfect sense why things happened in the sequence they did, in the way they did.

This stuff is F R E A K Y.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by ethereal

I agree with Paul's theory, except with one modification -- the "you" that you think you are, is equally a figment of your imagination as all the other people. Whoever you think you are, and whatever you think you're doing and experiencing and thinking, is just an imagination of what your (and our) true Self/Consciousness is dreaming up for your particular imaginary ego.

If you add that part in, then it all fits wonderfully. But if you don't, it's a slippery slope towards solipsism IMO.

Actally we agree here as well. I realize that "Paul" is a figment of my imagination as well. I don't actually think that my phisical body even exists. Even that is imaginary. So I think we agree here 100%.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Dharma

Paul, You're still playing with separation. If there's 7 billion people in the world and they're all you, how are you not responsible?

Simple. If there actually *IS* 7 billion people in the world, and some guy named Jack in Africa is at this current moment beating the crap out of a kid named Billy, and I (Paul) know nothing about that, it has NOTHING to do with me (Paul). How could I possibly take responsibility for it if I don't even know it's happening? So *IF* this is a multi-person universe then the stuff that I am responsible for can ONLY be stuff that (1) I am aware of, (2) I am able to do something about - (mentally, physically, etc.)

However, in my theory that there is only me, there really *IS* no Jack in Africa if I am not aware of him. He simply DOES NOT EXIST.