Suddenly I'm over her
 

omg. After all this freaking out about losing a girl, not being able to stop crying or thinking about her...

suddenly I'm over it.

Do you know how stupid this feels?

Let me explain. I really was addicted to her. I just couldn't stop thinking about her. I noticed this past week that, a couple times when I'd think we were about to meet up, I was able to start feeling A LOT better. But after the first time, when it turned out we weren't about to, I suddenly went totally back to depressed mode. Yesterday she asked me to lunch Friday, and suddenly I felt so much better, immediately stopped worrying about it. I thought, "Man, I am THAT dependent on HER. So addicted."

Then. Right after I set up the lunch hang out, it was time for my friend to pick me up and take me shopping and then go out blues dancing. I must say I felt good the entire time! I felt like I was really going to start moving on and found I wasn't even thinking of her that much.

But I was still looking forward to lunch with her.

Well, ok. So I haven't been satisfied with other areas of my life lately either, at all. They have been stressing me the hell out. The intensity that I felt regarding things with HER brought an intensity that wasn't there to all the other stress I felt, and honestly, it destroyed all my motivation during that time and made me not feel like living. I had not told her this part explicitly, but I felt it so strongly yesterday during the day that I actually posted some status messages about it on FB that only she could see. I didn't know if she would read them, but at the time I kind of wanted her to. Then she messaged me, and they became irrelevant, and I deleted them. They weren't accusatory or anything like that, they were just about how I was feeling at that moment.

So I came home later in the night thinking, "I should get her another Xmas present before lunch because the one I got her wasn't great."

Then I ended up reading her blasted blog again. Can you imagine what it said?

"Well if you find yourself going off the deep end Don't you dare blame it on me"

And can you imagine how I felt after reading this? I felt angry. But not obsessive. I felt like, "I'm angry, but at the same time I don't care that much anymore." And yeah, I don't particularly miss her anymore now. Suddenly after we'd set up the lunch date, it was like all those thoughts of us being together that I had been missing so much, I just no longer felt moved by them.

You know, she was able to construe everything else as if there were something just wrong with me. And I could find it in me to believe her.

But wanting to kill yourself - no words on that need to be said. You already know something's "wrong" with you if you want to kill yourself - you already know you're going nuts. I'm not 13 - I'm not so immature as to blame her for my feeling that way, nor had I expressed anything suggesting that.

Now, I had sent her a message the night before telling her that talking to her on Tuesday night helped a lot and was just what I needed - she had been quiet sweet and apologized to me then. And I wasn't accusing her of anything - I went there to apologize to her myself. I told her in the e-mail how I missed her, how hard this was for me, how much it hurts because none of this had to happen if it weren't for me just being afraid. I told her I would love to read her this poem I had told her about, that I'd written on Monday, which is about all my social firsts during 2011 - which are a lot, and she was some big firsts for me. But I just sent it to her over YouTube in case she wanted distance.

And I figured that's why she was messaging me for lunch.

Now anyway, back to the message she wrote last night on her blog. Don't you find this very insensitive? It just sounds like she's still being defensive. Defensive about me wanting to kill myself, when I haven't tried to blame her for that. Is that all she has to say? In person, she'll probably say she's sorry I felt that way, but I know what she's really thinking... and I feel that her feelings on this are not profound enough for me. And this message is what I feel she cannot turn against me and blame me for being bothered by. I mean, she could, but I wouldn't care much because I feel pretty strongly. I feel that I really, really do not want to be involved with someone - especially someone I'm already no longer attached to - whose response to one of her best friends wanting to kill herself is primarily one of defensiveness. I mean, I understand where she's coming from and all, but I cannot bare my soul to such a person. I cannot be that comfortable, that intimate, with someone who I know has so little sympathy and understanding and will to understand where I'm coming from.

Because even though this was perhaps only the first time in 2011 that I thought about killing myself, I was suicidal for every day of three years of my life and on-and-off for years after that. Wanting to kill myself is nothing she could have invented for me.

And to make matters worse is the fact the she posted this PUBLICLY, on her blog, alongside a bunch of other messages that were obviously about ending things with me... so it was obviously about me. And a lot of the people reading it might know it was about me. I find that so rude.

So I finally had it and decided I couldn't wait till lunchtime on Friday to ask her to stop posting messages that were specifically about me on her blog and FB statuses (and I'd do the same). It really is a lot of airing of dirty laundry anyway. I know that me bringing up her blog always makes her pretty uncomfortable, so I wonder how that makes her feel about meeting up with me now.

I don't know what her motives were anyway. To console me some more? I know she is dead set on us not getting back together, so I am not even thinking of that.

I don't need to be consoled anymore. I am definitely not getting her another gift if it requires any thought at all.

I no longer want to read her that poem aloud. This is a VERY intimate and soul-baring and vulnerable poem. You can listen to it here on YouTube. Toward the end are things that involved her. "This year is the first time I had sex... This year is the first time I realized that my body is not a love liability... This year is the first time I fell asleep with a woman in my arms... This year is the first time since I was 14 that I've gone more than three months without ever really wanting to die."

It's really difficult for me to read this poem out loud when I feel that the other person can't appreciate it and will only, say, get defensive. I wanted to share it with her because I was coming from a sense of intimacy with her. If she didn't listen to it already, I know I'm going to be uncomfortable reading it to her.

Do I even WANT to have lunch with a person who I feel is insensitive toward me in my darkest moment? I certainly don't want to go back to cuddling and making out and having sex with such a person. I will probably have lunch with her, and try to leave no hard feelings, and try not to worry how insensitive she is, just try to enjoy it and try to avoid saying anything that might make her feel badly.

But then again, maybe it's ok if she feels uncomfortable toward me and maybe it's important that I bring all these points up and tell her I think she's been insensitive? I don't know. I don't know that it would accomplish anything besides make her uncomfortable. But I also know that I have a fear of making others uncomfortable and maybe I need to overcome it because it's been preventing me from being fully honest a lot of times.

I really am an addict of sorts, heh. I mean, maybe everyone is addicted to something. Air. Water. But I have always had an addictive personality. It's hard to focus. If my mind latches onto something emotionally, then I focus on it - otherwise it's very hard. I am looking at all this as just that I am recovering from an addiction. I have gotten over other addictions - video games, food - I will get over this, and I will move on to higher things. And I will love myself first and foremost. In the past I have hated myself because of addictions, but there is little that calls for us to love ourselves more than when we find ourselves in this trap.

:):):):):):):):)

When they dump you - old or not.
 

Try this when they dump you:

Tell her that you're really happy for her that she's figured out another path for herself.

If you suspect or she admits it about another guy, say you're very happy for her. Maybe get her a welcoming gift for her new relationship.

If she says it's not about another guy, try to find her one, quick. Otherwise everything that goes wrong along her new path will be your fault.

If she starts calling you often to test the waters on who's doing better after the dump, tell her that you'd rather not talk because you don't want to interfere with her choices while she's going down her new path.

If the guy she left you for dumps her, take a long vacation without disclosing your location.

If your married, give her the best car, even if you have to sign over title to her. The judge will give it to her anyway. Then right after signing the sep agreement or getting served papers, go out and buy a new car.

There are no guys involved. She's a lesbian. I like your thinking, though, haha.

I just got back from hanging out with her for several hours. It was nice. I had it in my mind to say a lot of things to her - not say she's insensitive or anything that might come off as judgmental, but just to be very loving. Well, I said nothing of what I had planned to say - I didn't feel in control of the conversation, and she was kind of all over the place trying to do ♥♥♥♥... so it wasn't the intimate kind of hangout to say the things I wanted to say. I was really uptight the whole time, and she told me to relax and said I looked "really tense." I was tense because there was a lot I wanted to say that wasn't getting said and b/c of course I'm still getting used to just being friends. It's odd to know her without at least thinking freely about the possibility of dating her because I had always been attracted to / interested in her from the time we met.

But it's good. I'm glad we're still friends and hanging out. I am seeing that the same old stressful patterns of interacting with her are still there as just friends - and since we are just friends, it's a lot less intense, but it just tells me that this problem may never be resolved and that she just isn't really the one I should be dating, as much as I enjoyed the moments outside the stress. I don't know how not to stress when it comes to her.

May be the last chance I get to bid you au revoir, cochonette. It was nice to know you. Just wanted to say that.

I know what you mean about being obsessive about and addicted to things. I was that way for most of my life, until I seriously went looking for a rope. I never found a decent rope, fortunately, nor did I really ever a consider than an answer, anyway, but I did pray to die for 3 nights. It the most pain I've ever endured in my life.

I came out of that a completely different man, understanding that no matter what else, What I am (not what I think I am) is whole, complete, and perfect unto itself, and is invulnerable, untouchable, even, by anything the material world wants to throw at it. I could be threatened with death this very second, and be not afraid.

No one on these boards do I hope the same understanding for more than you. You're a diamond in the rough. If only you could really realize that, you wouldn't have to endure these bouts of pain you so struggle with.

Take care, Cochonette. My very best wishes and thoughts for you. :)

Aww. That may be the sweetest message I have ever read on these forums. Thank you. <3 And thank you for sharing your story. It really is the most painful thing in the world when you are so deep that you want so badly to kill yourself. I am sorry I did not get a chance to know you much. Best wishes to you and happy holidays.

OMG... why did I post this stupid thread?

I really am crazyyyyyyy.

Now I'm thinking I am not going to suddenly be over her. It's a gradual process as always, and she's one of those cases where I think I love and cherish her enough at the end of the day that I will never be 100% over her.

But I'm over something. I'm over being crazy about this. Not over thinking about it too much, but over all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thoughts. Not 100%. But I know that this time is different. This time I am coming from a place of PURE LOVE. I couldn't get there just from sitting there thinking about it, or spending time with her, though that was important. I had to journal about it - in the form of self-coaching: pure solution-seeking. The thing is that I know what I want, ultimately. I just am not always in control of my thoughts. But writing it down and solely with the purpose of seeking solutions, and knowing now how to ask myself the right questions, I am able to redirect my thoughts. I wrote for several hours until I felt so full of love. Now there's only love. This is where I want to be, always.

And if the terrible, impulsive thoughts come back, I will just journal some more.

Also, why do I post all this ♥♥♥♥ in public anyhow????? No one reads it, most of it doesn't make sense, I write way too much, I always end up figuring things out on my own anyway, and it's just... I just like to ♥♥♥♥ing talk about things going on my life. Cochonette, please learn to keep things to yourself. At least this board will be gone soon, so I'll be forced to keep it to myself from now on.

I'd ask a mod to delete this thread, but I don't think there are any mods left.

i read it! i actually love reading your threads. I find you to be very honest and charming with a refreshing innocence. As for your suffering, I do not know if you are open to advice, but EFT and The Work by Byron Katie has helped me so much! I actually learned about both those things on these forums. I wish you the very best :)

and there is nothing wrong with posting it in public and it makes total sense to me.

Aww, thanks. I find your reply to be refreshing. :) I think most people must think I'm an idiot for posting all this stuff. It's nice to be appreciated in spite of it all, after feeling like I'm ruining my relationships.

I still have a lot of growing up to do, and it drives me crazy. It's overwhelming. I have grown so much, but I have so far to go just to be average, so that I can actually have and maintain an intimate relationship. this whole dating failure has made me feel how much farther I have to go. I can focus on my good sides when I want to connect with others - lord knows no one would want to be my friend otherwise. But something so intimate requires you to reveal yourself more fully, before long. You can't ignore the parts of you that aren't yet up to par.

Anyway, I am going to stop talking about myself now. Time to go on a personal retreat and not talk to ANYONE about my issues. SILENCE!

Just wanted to say...you're not over her now. If you were over her, you wouldn't have needed to post a message in this forum *saying* you're over her; you wouldn't even have her on your mind.

But you will be. I've had many infatuations, and I've watched my friends suffer through them, and the rule is simple: if you're still thinking & talking about her, you're not over her, but that's okay. It takes time to get over someone, so give yourself that time & try not to dwell on her too much when she does enter your mind. Months from now, you'll wake up one day & realize you haven't thought about her in ages. :)

Hi Liz,

Nice to see you popped in here again to comment in the final hours! You always posted smart advice from a no-BS heartfelt perspective.

Cochonette, Liz's message here is almost exactly what I would have said to you. I'll just add that I know it probably feels really sh**ty right now, but it won't forever. Honest. Also, in my experience, the more you try and force yourself to get over someone, the longer it will take, because forcing it is still feeding the connection. Your heart and your mind have to process through it naturally at their own pace, and that pace is different for everyone and may also be different for each relationship.

Well, Liz was basically just repeating what I already said in the post she was replying to. Yes, I already figured out that it's not going to happen over night. That's why I said I wish someone would delete this stupid thread.