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So, like I mentioned in another thread, I've started applying the lessons I learned about seeing disagreements as win/win situations to the subject of rejection. That is, I'm letting go of the idea that if I'm not what someone else is looking for in a partner, it means that a) I'm a loser who is unworthy of their attraction, or b) that they're a loser for not being able to recognize my value. It simply means that Who I Am and Who They Desire aren't in alignment with one another, and there doesn't have to be any blame assigned to either party. It can be a win/win situation. I think that this was a key reason why online dating sites never resonated with me fully; they always evoked one or both of those negative attitudes in me (and the feelings of dejection/worthlessness and resentment associated with each one, respectively) whenever I'd write to someone and not get a reply. I decided to reactivate my OkCupid account and give it another whirl, this time armed with some healthier beliefs. I'm proud to say that I managed to rewrite my entire profile, do some browsing, and send off a few messages without getting sad or depressed in the process (which used to happen most of the time that I used the site in the past.) |
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Excellent. -Write about yourself in a positive, humorous way. No negative self-statements of any kind. -Don't write about other types of person negatively, e.g. 'I don't like people who write lists' or 'I don't like people who waste my time'. -Use a decent picture for a profile, that isn't a webcam photo, which shows a smiling face and above all: ensure that said photo is recent. -Write personalised messages. Use the person's name and refer to something within that person's profile. Most people just copy and paste the same message which is not impressive. There are other things that spring to mind, but I think that these things are the most important. I'm guessing that you've dealt with most of these issues in your current profile and I'm glad that you've changed the way you're feeling about it. I am sure you will see better results this time around! |
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(I'm sure SlicK would have something interesting to say about that. | |
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Well, I guess that sort of brings it back to my original point: I did what was reflective of the real me, and if that ends up looking like "zero effort" to people who look at my profile, and the perception of "zero effort" makes them choose not to write back to me, then maybe that site just isn't the right venue for me to meet people. It doesn't make me, OkCupid, or those people "wrong". |
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Of course, you could take the approach that 'not writing personalised messages' is the real me and I'm going to do it anyway and see what happens and that'd be OK... but if you wrote personalised messages (which it sounds like you did) that required some effort and that's going to improve your response rate. | |
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It is the same with relationships that end sometime down the road. The issue is probably just shifting desires and incompatibility, but I my self and other people in life have interpreted the change in relationship in the worse possible manner. 'What did I do wrong?', 'You've turned into such a stuck up *****!' 'I'm a bad person for not wanting to talk to this person anymore!' etc. It seems so much more healthier to be grateful for the past and then to simply move onto more satisfying relationships. It is really problematic when either party refuses to acknowledge that the relationship is no longer fulfilling and to linger in a 'dead' relationship to avoid ill feelings. I think you can avoid hurting each other if you simply be upfront and be honest about how you feel. Again, win-win situation. | |
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One interesting thing I've noticed from trying OkC again is that the thing about rejection that really makes me feel frustrated and angry is when I feel like people aren't rejecting me for who I am, but for who I'm not. I don't mind it when I have a conversation of reasonable length with someone (i.e. enough to get a read on their personality) and it turns out that one or both of us just isn't interested. I find it much harder to accept a) people never writing back to me in the first place, or b) sending like one or two messages back and then inexplicably breaking off communication before we've even begun having a conversation with one another. I think this is because I worry that maybe a lot of them are judging the totality of my being and my suitability as a partner based on what I consider to be very limited information, such as my profile-writing ability or ability to write a message that piques their interest. That makes me feel... I think "dehumanized" is the best word to describe it. I'm someone who does his best not to assume that a person's profile-writing ability can encapsulate whether I'd enjoy knowing them or not, so I also have feelings of injustice, as well. Any suggestions on how to deal with these kinds of feelings? I think I'm handling them pretty well, but I wouldn't mind hearing others' insight on this. |
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I can think of two possible ways of dealing with this. You could sit and think of possible reasons why the person may not have answered which are not terribly personal, e.g. 'that person is busy dating others', 'I'm just not that person's type' etc. You could also think about if you 'rejected' someone. Would you want them to feel upset about it or would you think of it as personal? It's doubtful. I think a dismissive attitude is the key to the whole thing.
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And that's probably the underlying issue for me: a fear of the unknown. When I don't know why I have a low response rate, it can make me feel helpless and hopeless. So it'd be a good thing for me to learn to let go of my attachment to certainty. | |
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I hate not knowing 'why' about things too. If you don't know why, if it does turn out to be something you're doing, you won't be able to change it. You might one day realise what it was, but it can take a lot of time first. I don't know what your circumstances are but perhaps it's simply just the case that online dating doesn't work for you? Maybe a different form of dating would be more effective for you. | |
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I think I might just ask this girl to hang out and try to embrace rejection. I mean, what I have to lose is all an illusion. I may never see her again if I don't... I kept thinking, "it's okay, I'll see her at the next swing class. So whatever I do wrong this time, it may interfere with relationship in swing class." Well, I missed one class, then she missed this week's class. I don't know that I'll see her there ever again. I may, I may not. So why not take a chance, even if it seems lame? A lot of times I think something's lame, but in the end it turns out good. Or I think it's good, but it turns out lame... it all evens out in the end. I watched Friends With Benefits last night. What a lame movie, lol. Typical rom com cheesiness. Their parents start blabbering about "the love of my life," how they only had one. Really? 'cause if there's only one, I'm screwed, 'cause I met her two years ago and she lost interest, and then I ruined what was left of that. But, anyway, the point it got in my head was: don't miss your chance, 'cause it probably won't come back! Even if I was right in thinking she wasn't interested, at least I'll feel powerful for having put myself out there. Last edited by Cochonette; 08-18-2011 at 06:19 PM. | |
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Also, one thing I don't do that I see many other people do is to list hobbies and activities that I like to do for fun. And both of these are things that my intuition keeps telling me to do and not do, respectively. Quote:
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Yup. If your heart is telling you to ask her out, I say go for it. Good luck! Last edited by OptimistPrime; 08-18-2011 at 06:33 PM. | |
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Talking about 'turn-offs' is to me, an example of writing negatively in your profile. I sometimes receive messages from people who have such comments in their profile and unwittingly, they have turned me off when I might otherwise have replied. Regardless of whether it's the truth or not, when people write things like that it can come across as though they have a chip on their shoulder, or as though they think that they are superior in some way. I imagine that you wouldn't write a message to a girl who came across as a 'turn off' anyway, so it seems superfluous to me. If I were you, I'd focus on the qualities I was looking for rather than what I'm not looking for, if you see what I mean. Similar to the principles of law of attraction itself. For example, in my profile I think I stated that I was looking for someone with a sense of humour and adventure who was open to new experiences or something like that. Listing your hobbies/interests is quite important too as people are more interested in those who share some interests or have some kind of hobby which might start a conversation. For example, if you like reading or watching TV it lends itself to conversations about things that you like that might be the same or different and you can discuss the reasons why you like or don't like things. If you have an unusual hobby, people may find it intriguing or want to know more. In other words, it just makes it easier for people to think of something to say in return. | |
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I added a few small details about what I like to do in my profile later, and these turned into things that people started messaging me for. For example, I changed my main photo to myself doing Aikido, so I started getting lots of messages that said nothing but, "What martial art do you do?" I added that I am into massage and got a message from someone mentioning that she's into massage - we ended up going on a date, and she is the smartest person I've dated so far. I added that I'm interested in tango and got a message from someone who just wanted to know where I learn tango and if I lead or follow. | |
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You talked about your expectations regarding women on how they dress and about make-up. Even if you don't phrase it 'women who wear heavy make up need not apply...' for example and say 'I prefer women with modest make-up' (I have no idea what you wrote, so this is just an illustration), women will still view this as a negative statement and will bristle, even if it does not apply to them. This is particularly true of statements about money. Clearly 'no gold-diggers need apply' is much more inflammatory than 'I would like to meet women who are not concerned in material things', but a woman is likely to infer that you will be judgemental of her attitude towards money and might think badly of her if she's a shopaholic, for example. Also, what you're focusing on appears to be well... on appearance (aside from views on monogamy). It's better to focus on what kind of qualities you're looking for in a woman. This should come to you pretty quickly, e.g. it could be honesty, a sense of humour, ability to engage in deep discussions, or even a woman who shares some of your hobbies (whatever they may be). Just a few thoughts here. Other people might disagree with my assessment but this is how I see it. | |
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But I feel you are now just trying to take attention away from my calling your critique not valid. I think your critique is not valid because there is no evidence that anywhere near a majority of women will be turned off by a guy saying he doesn't need her to dress for him - in fact, I would think many women will feel quite the opposite on that matter. I know I would. You yourself said that what he wrote in his profile sounds "pretty decent" - I think it sounds more than decent. I just think that you are trying to find reasons for him changing his profile that aren't there. Last edited by Cochonette; 08-18-2011 at 08:28 PM. | |
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