Advice for Women in the Workplace Discussion

[no pocky for kitty]

So I found this article and decided to supply it to this community. Its staggering.
Unfortunately since it won't fit here is the link.


thread rules:
-To reply to this thread, read the article.
-Ladies discuss your experiences in contrast to it.

I'm not discussing feminism here. Just approaches to common problems faced by females in the work place.

Because I found some material worth discussing at the end, here are some quotes.

- Whatever you look like, it will be used against you. If you're attractive it will be used to suggest that men are just pretending to care about what you think in order to try to **** you. If you're unattractive, it will be used to discount you as a human being entirely, on the grounds that a woman who is not physically attractive to heterosexual men is a completely useless entity, no matter how smart or talented she is.

In my own experience this is actually kind of rare. If you genuinely prop people up they return the favor. If you run into an jerks, killing them with kindness tends to confuse them. This works for guys too. Do not make enemies with people who are hellbent on leaving destruction where-ever they go. Its just not worth it.

- You may be praised in a way that is so backhanded and/or condescending you're not really sure if it still counts as praise.

True this happens..to EVERYONE. Guys get it too. Then again, if you're a cocky jerk you get what you bargained for in the first place. Being able to deliver and not being a cocky jerk (who everyone just talks about behind their back). I think that is an equation for respect. Avoid conversations where this would come up with (1-UPPERS). Can I get feedback about bad experiences? People are too different.

- The conversations will all be oriented around straight men and their desires.

I don't know about this honestly. If you assert yourself, have strong allies and are well networked your concerns will be important to anyone who wants to get on your good side.
Any ladies have opinions on this?

- Boys' clubs exist to protect and preserve the right that some people believe they have to make no allowance for anyone else. That is privilege.

This is true with some men but there are an equal amount who prop you up if you deliver or prove an in-expendable asset. Can anyone comment on the ratio of women-bashing men to supportive men?

- If you dig too deep with some people it will come out that they genuinely do believe that women are less interested in things than men are. That women who have interests are outliers or unusual cases, This is part of a larger heterosexual male narcissism wherein it is assumed that all of women's interests are related to men: that if a woman is a record nerd, it is because she learned about it from a guy or she hopes to meet men through it rather than because she just genuinely enjoys music.

I think its true to a large extent especially when we're talking about certain girls who project certain images.

in some female coworkers, if you're interested, good at Information hoarding you will be fine. Going to say that again: Information hoarding~ Seriously fun for a lot of us obviously; you project what you want to project. Being able to supply information, a connection, or vast amounts experience, don't lie. Having confidence in your abilities should be no. 1.

As for me I have a female boss and I've had a great male boss. If you have your own experiences share so we can get perspective.

(continued...)
This is obviously total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Women have interests because they have their own interests, because they are human beings. They are interested in things. And you can have those independent interests and still want to **** Mick Jagger, and it doesn't discount the authenticity of your fandom for the music of The Rolling Stones. It's not like men don't equally want to **** Mick Jagger. That's the whole point of Mick Jagger.

Women don't just like things because some dude turned them onto it. You like things because you turn yourself onto things, because you like finding out what you like; something attracted you.

Oops there goes the can of worms xD

[buckeye]

Men and women have different impulses and inclinations--in case you didn't know.
Of course the workplace is for working but no one leaves their impulses at home.
Men will talk about Susan's great ass.
Women will talk about shoes.

At work, I try to be a person first. I team up with anyone who can help me accomplish something and anyone I can help.
I admit when I screw up and I nicely point out when others do.
That gets respect, from everyone, and that's mostly what you need.
Staying focused on the job tends to make men forget that I'm a woman.

If you get all offended at how men talk and go to HR you'll cause nothing but problems.
Just like women would be annoyed if a guy made a snide comment about how women like shoes.
Don't sweat the guy-guy stuff or the girly-girl stuff.
Making a big deal out of it makes it more difficult to deal with real discrimination and real sexual harassment.

[Marund]

I'm not in a work place, I'm in college though i did have a story-boarding internship. Does not talking about tthe typical stuff make me off or wierd ? Setting yourself apart too much is kind of bad, I know this? Does talking about neutral things make me boring?? I do get super absorbed in 'the industry' why does that mean i am trying too hard? Its confusing.