am trying out online dating.... soo frustrating so far!!!

[joelr]

I think that's true, it's not about words. Your sales pitch is your pic. Assuming you're at least sending a reasonable reply above "waz up?"

In real life anything can happen but on dating sites it's more predictable, you're going to meet people at and moreso below you're general physical attractiveness.

I've had many dates, hookups, and seen many others dates and even LTRs that have emerged from online dating.

In my experience the only time someone strikes gold is by doing it the old fashioned way.
I've gone above my "attractiveness" level but only by being in the right physical situations.

No super hot young women with $$$ looking for a mate to spoil is going to pick me on a dating site. But in real life I've worked wonders.

[votoshka]

Originally Posted by JohnTrenor

93% of all human communication is non-verbal. Only 7% is verbal. This is a powerful piece of info that can make or break your attempt to attract that beautiful girl anywhere. That said, it doesn’t matter how much of a smooth talker you are. It’s literally impossible to attract a woman with words alone! Does it mean that you can be attractive without saying a word, no but close to it?

I disagree It is possible to attract someone with words alone! If it wasn't, then how would online relationships spring up, where people fall in love without even meeting each other??

[Brutha]

93% of all human communication is non-verbal. Only 7% is verbal. This is a powerful piece of info that can make or break your attempt to attract that beautiful girl anywhere. That said, it doesn’t matter how much of a smooth talker you are. It’s literally impossible to attract a woman with words alone! Does it mean that you can be attractive without saying a word, no but close to it?

The 7% number is flawed if you look at the source. It doesn't generalize.

It’s literally impossible to attract a woman with words alone!

Online relationships do happen.

Does it mean that you can be attractive without saying a word, no but close to it?

Having sex without exchanging a single word will be hard. Creating strong attraction is however quite possible if you spent time on the dance floor.

[billionairekid]

Originally Posted by neilward2

Thanks for the support buddy.

And you are 100% right about the market being over-saturated. It's the same here in London. My plan is to just keep building and sticking to my beliefs and core values and not worry about the BIG companies that are taking the market share. I'm a HUGE follower of the law of attraction so I know that I just have to keep going regardless! As the saying goes: if the dream is big enough, the facts won't matter.

Nice to talk with you and good luck for the future,

I wish there were more people like you in the world. IMO, it would be a far better place if people focused on what they cared about instead of market share alone.

[billionairekid]

Originally Posted by joelr

I think that's true, it's not about words. Your sales pitch is your pic. Assuming you're at least sending a reasonable reply above "waz up?"

In real life anything can happen but on dating sites it's more predictable, you're going to meet people at and moreso below you're general physical attractiveness.

I've had many dates, hookups, and seen many others dates and even LTRs that have emerged from online dating.

In my experience the only time someone strikes gold is by doing it the old fashioned way.
I've gone above my "attractiveness" level but only by being in the right physical situations.

No super hot young women with $$$ looking for a mate to spoil is going to pick me on a dating site. But in real life I've worked wonders.

Drawing a concusion without looking at all the facts is premature to say the least. If you model the "old-fashioned way" with your approach online, couldn't you create the same results?

The old-fashioned way involves getting to know a person before deciding to commit. I'm conscious of what I want in a relationship and even I have gone against my own judgments of what I want to message a woman based on her looks alone. I believe you can have success when dating online if you're using the right approach.

[ultimate]

I realise I want thihings to happen fast.
Instant gratification.

A bit of patience and good news!

I had plenty of messages on the dating site!
And may be meeting someone this week!

Now im kicking myself for not doing this earlier!
I also think 'dam the last girl i was with was superhot, i hope to find another liker her'

hey its looking better with onling dating.
I am sure i still have much to improve.
Like last weekend i went out and didnt have much luck with the women.

I do want to improve in that arena also

[BravoPUA]

Originally Posted by Benton

Unique isn't the right word. The problem is that no matter how interesting your message is, there is a fairly high likelihood your message simply won't get read. I found that using a random word generator worked pretty good for subject lines. This is the message that got the best response:





Bravo claims a similar response rate. Several guys at stylelife and pickup artist forum claim similar rates, in fact.

What nobody is telling us is that no matter how good the divorce email works (or whatever variation you use) lack of attractive personality will show through after about two emails and your success rate will be back down around 1%. If you're successful at dating, you will be successful, regardless of being at a bar, club or website. If you're not successful, your likely not going to be any more successful online than you are in person.

That's my 2c.

Saw my name was used and want to chime in (hopefully not too rude to bump an old thread)


1. Not with Stylelife- totally solo and the Online stuff I do is on my own.

2. Yes, many girls will just go in and mass delete messages. PoF use to be good because you could see if they did, now you have to pay to get that feature.

I have found that subject lines play a HUGE factor in reading/not reading

my favorite subject lines right now

"Serious question"

"you look"


those are working GREAT and almost every one gets a response

MANY times without them looking at my page till later, which shows that the message content was what worked


-lastly the best way to use Online Game IMO is to set up an awesome page, and then let it work for you. I really just respond to girls who message me first!

if I am sick or bored I might log in from time to time to message girls first, or to test new stuff

but really, thats a lot of work

also nothing is as good as real life game, so that time would be better used out in the real world


(will chime in again if anyone wants, didnt want to link to a review of my program with some tips in it, or my site, so soon after joining. I use to run the Stylelife forum, and run my own now and know how bad that can look)

-Steve

[anniecooper]

I'll come meet you. :P

[holycrackers]

Originally Posted by Benton

In my experience as a man, online dating is wholly a numbers game. I decided a few months back to give it a good try.

My experience was that regardless of if you used a form email or spent an hour writing 'the perfect email' responses were anywhere from 1:50 to 1:20. Dates were about 1:80.

Bizarre emails tend to get better first responses, (one about jumping off a cliff and ending up with a helicopter ride to the hospital for our first date worked best) but lead to very little.

Thought out, personal emails seem to get the worst response, but that could just be me.

Now, I won't disagree that I am somewhat picky about looks. I'm looking for somebody who I find attractive. I check profiles from the age of about 18 to about 40 (eleven years plus or minus) and I do want somebody who weighs less than me. If that makes me shallow, so be it.

Anyhow, I'm done with online dating. At least at a bar it's impolite to ignore somebody who says hi.

Interesting...I have a canned email that I use with OKC and I'd say that my message return rate is probably 90% or so. Half of messaging is using good wording and being inventive. The other half is having a halfway-decent picture that's good enough to get a response.

To the OP--how old are you? If you're in your 20s, I'd highly recommend OKCupid...it's certainly the most fun to use!

[joelr]

Originally Posted by billionairekid

Drawing a concusion without looking at all the facts is premature to say the least. If you model the "old-fashioned way" with your approach online, couldn't you create the same results?

No it seems I can't. Not with the same consistency. Need physical contact.

In between GF's and wives I've tried. A lot. Most people flake out and those who do meet up for coffee have always been unattractive compared to their pic.
Then I end up meeting someone in a bar or wherever and that's it for a while.

When needed I still try, because it's not impossible. But based on experience I can't actually say it works. Yes I could dip into idealism and say something with a more positive spin. But I don't want to. Helps me vent the annoyance from those awkward adventures.