How do people with high IQ think?

[Theelite112]

I hope some of you guys don't get suckered into believing that the score you achieved on a online IQ test is your actual IQ, those tests -- especially the free ones -- are know to be faulty.

As far as IQ goes, I would suggest you don't let IQ define you as a person. IQ is not the most accurate way to determine intelligence. There are so many different variables that factor into intelligence -- one would be crazy to think they are what their paper IQ says. IQ is merely a suggestion, a tool that could help you realize your potential. Once you buy into your IQ, your IQ has won.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Theelite112
I hope some of you guys don't get suckered into believing that the score you achieved on a online IQ test is your actual IQ, those tests -- especially the free ones -- are know to be faulty.

I don’t doubt that a bit… but still… could you substantiate that statement with a link to some valid researches on the subject…???

As far as IQ goes, I would suggest you don't let IQ define you as a person.

Good suggestion…

IQ is not the most accurate way to determine intelligence.

What is…???

There are so many different variables that factor into intelligence –

Very acute observation

one would be crazy to think they are what their paper IQ says.

Whose paper are we talking about…???

IQ is merely a suggestion

Suggesting what…???

a tool that could help you realize your potential.

How so…???

Once you buy into your IQ, your IQ has won.

And who lost…???

PS – Don’t quit you day job…

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[jwz]

What is the average IQ by the way? 110?
I don't speak english fluently, but the few times I've tryed IQ test online (not saying that I believe in the results) I get a score of 120+.

Is that me being slightly over average intellegent, or is it fraud?

(Not trying to seems smart or anything, just curious) :-)

-Jan

(p.s. LOL@Shamou) :-)

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by jwz

What is the average IQ by the way? 110?
I don't speak english fluently, but the few times I've tryed IQ test online (not saying that I believe in the results) I get a score of 120+.

Is that me being slightly over average intellegent, or is it fraud?

(Not trying to seems smart or anything, just curious) :-)

-Jan

(p.s. LOL@Shamou) :-)

There you go my friend...

Descriptive Classifications of Intelligence Quotients

IQ Description % of Population
130+ Very superior 2.2%
120-129 Superior 6.7%
110-119 High average 16.1%
90-109 Average 50%
80-89 Low average 16.1%
70-79 Borderline 6.7%
Below 70 Extremely low 2.2%

According to this... you have superior intelligence... congratulation...

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[JohnPlace]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I don’t doubt that a bit… but still… could you substantiate that statement with a link to some valid researches on the subject…???

Shamou, I could be wrong about this (if so, hopefully someone will correct me by posting a reference link), but when I was in college, I believe my psychology professor indicated that valid IQ tests should be administered in a controlled setting (with a time limit) by someone properly trained to administer, grade, and evaluate the results.

I am not sure if it's possible to completely automate the process with technology. Perhaps someone with some background in this could comment. I am very curious about this as well! :-)

[ginkgo]

Actually it is just the same as with you talking to someone very dumb or retarded. They just can't understand what you understand. But genuises like Adolf Hitler can do stupid things. What people want most is happiness. Read this Short Article to see how someone who is very happy and intelligent looks at things.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by JohnPlace

I believe my psychology professor indicated that valid IQ tests should be administered in a controlled setting (with a time limit) by someone properly trained to administer, grade, and evaluate the results.

IQ tests being what they are, I guess that even a test that is not accurate can give you a fair idea... However, I know that if you want to join Mensa... you need to take a controlled test... and, I suppose that the mention of a Mensa membership can look pretty good on a resume...

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[LittD]

Concepts make sense immediately, opportunities for using those concepts jump out at you. It's so simple when you're smart.

[Vincentboucher]

My high intelligence have always been something bad for me actually... Espacially because this is my intelligence intrapersonal that is really reall really high, and my interpersonal is really low, so I understand perfectly how people feel, why they feel that way, but I have difficulties to deal with people. Now it changed, but in the past it was a big burden.... This is not about your IQ, this is about if you are happy or not, I can guarranty something to you, genius are not more happy than the rest of people because they understant more. I would rather be a person with a 80 IQ but really happy than a 180 Iq depressed.

[Vincentboucher]

Originally Posted by LittD

Concepts make sense immediately, opportunities for using those concepts jump out at you. It's so simple when you're smart.

actually no. Intelligence will make you more association between things.... And those association will depend of your character, character ans intelligence are not the same thing.... You can have a 190 iq and not being able to run a small grocery store, or manage your money. Actually if you are a pessimist, you will be a real professional to find bad associations, why people don't love you, why you will not being able to do something....

past 130 iq. people have difficulties being in society .... this is really really not that great

[Doku]

Originally Posted by Vincentboucher

past 130 iq. people have difficulties being in society .... this is really really not that great

?? Of myself and all of the friends that I have with IQ in the 130+ range, the only ones that have difficulty being in society are one of the following categories:
1) extremely shy (nothing to do with IQ) (example: my wife)
2) an ass (nothing to do with IQ) (example: my friend Ben)
2a) an ass (costantly pointing out how smart they think they are and how stupid they think others are) (example: my friend Steve)

And of all of my friends (high IQ and not), most of the ones that have difficulties in society fall into the "extremely shy" category.

My opinion: People with high IQ don't have more difficulties in society than anyone else... they are simply more aware of their difficulties.

[Vincentboucher]

Originally Posted by Doku

?? Of myself and all of the friends that I have with IQ in the 130+ range, the only ones that have difficulty being in society are one of the following categories:
1) extremely shy (nothing to do with IQ) (example: my wife)
2) an ass (nothing to do with IQ) (example: my friend Ben)
2a) an ass (costantly pointing out how smart they think they are and how stupid they think others are) (example: my friend Steve)

And of all of my friends (high IQ and not), most of the ones that have difficulties in society fall into the "extremely shy" category.

My opinion: People with high IQ don't have more difficulties in society than anyone else... they are simply more aware of their difficulties.

first, you have friends with high Iq, you are lucky, the probalility is really not high.... Second, there is a correlation betweem hgh IQ and shyness, low EQ....Pople with high IQ just don't thiong the same way of normal IQ people, it can causes problmes....

Of course there are people with high IQ that are ok in society , but i'm talking in **general**

[Doku]

Originally Posted by Vincentboucher

first, you have friends with high Iq, you are lucky, the probalility is really not high.... Second, there is a correlation betweem hgh IQ and shyness, low EQ....Pople with high IQ just don't thiong the same way of normal IQ people, it can causes problmes....

Of course there are people with high IQ that are ok in society , but i'm talking in **general**

If you, Vincentboucher, have a high IQ, and have problems in society, please see it as what it actually is: a personal problem. Don't blame IQ as the source. If you DO blame IQ as the source, then you are likely one of the "2a) people."

In general, people with high IQ have no more social problems than the average person. At least that's what my friends and I believe. And will continue to do so until someone shows us proof that I we wrong. So, feel free to show proof. Otherwise, please stop perpetuating the myth that people with high IQ are socially inept.

[Doku]

Originally Posted by Vincentboucher

first, you have friends with high Iq, you are lucky, the probalility is really not high.... Second, there is a correlation betweem hgh IQ and shyness, low EQ....Pople with high IQ just don't thiong the same way of normal IQ people, it can causes problmes....

Of course there are people with high IQ that are ok in society , but i'm talking in **general**

No, Vincent. In general, we have no more problems in society than the average person. Don't blame society or your IQ for your problems. Your problem is that you are one of the "2a) people." Anyone who looks at your websites can easily verify this for themselves.

[openeyes]

The prometheus society article on the first page addressed the issue of people with high IQs having social issues. It seems to largely be a problem to the degree that one is less able to find people near the same range of intelligence. Also, if one is in an upper-middle class family with lots of opportunity to develop one's intellect, positive adjustment is more likely than if growing up in a poor neighborhood where putting food on the table (and possibly even not getting shot/raped) is the emphasis.

The Prometheus Society > Articles > The Outsiders

"Hollingworth points out that the exceptionally gifted do not deliberately choose isolation, but are forced into it against their wills.

These superior children are not unfriendly or ungregarious by nature. Typically they strive to play with others but their efforts are defeated by the difficulties of the case... Other children do not share their interests, their vocabulary, or their desire to organize activities. They try to reform their contemporaries but finally give up the struggle and play alone, since older children regard them as "babies," and adults seldom play during hours when children are awake. As a result, forms of solitary play develop, and these, becoming fixed as habits, may explain the fact that many highly intellectual adults are shy, ungregarious, and unmindful of human relationships, or even misanthropic and uncomfortable in ordinary social intercourse"

[Shamou]

Here is the story of William James Sidis... the most intelligent person that ever lived... (IQ between 250 and 300) ...a total misfit who never accomplished anything and died at age 45 poor and alone...

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[Doku]

Originally Posted by openeyes

The Prometheus Society > Articles > The Outsiders

Ok, so in the first part, the numbers show that 18 out of 516 men had severe social issues. 3.4% of the males in the test. What percentage of US males are in the prison system? What percentage are on anxiety meds or adhd meds or ... ? 3.4% does not seem out of whack with normal society. In fact, it might be lower.
The Prometheus people claim that the data/results/... were tainted, so they did their own lies, damn lies, and statistics on it.

The second part is more interesting. Let me put my lies, damn lies, and statistics spin on it. "Smart kids raised in high income homes turn out fine." "Smart kids raised in low income homes have social problems." hmm. Let's try that one again... with my spin, and see if it sounds correct. "Normal kids raosed in high income homes turn out fine." "Normal kids raised in low income homes have social problems." Yep. Still sounds correct. "But what about the rich high-iq people who turn out bad?" Hmm.. let's take a normal to idiot version... Yep. Paris Hilton turned out just fine, right? Ok, bad example. Nichole Richie?

And to answer the Shamou's point: Yes, he had problems. There will always be the exception to the rules.... that's why we say "in general"

I do appriciate the Prometheus link, however. And that was a topic that we discussed about five or so years ago... I had forgotten that article. My friends and I just cast it off as more of the 2b) class of people. I mean, seriously, how many high-IQ groups do you need?

[Vincentboucher]

Originally Posted by Doku

No, Vincent. In general, we have no more problems in society than the average person. Don't blame society or your IQ for your problems. Your problem is that you are one of the "2a) people." Anyone who looks at your websites can easily verify this for themselves.

Read the book By Ellen Winner , harvard teacher, on gifted kid.... You and your friends are nothing, you don't bring proof, you are just a group of people who thinks understand the reality, nothing more. Read the book, and learn.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Vincentboucher

Read the book By Ellen Winner , harvard teacher, on gifted kid.... You and your friends are nothing, you don't bring proof, you are just a group of people who thinks understand the reality, nothing more. Read the book, and learn.

Book Review of "Gifted Children: Myths and Realities" by Ellen Winner...

"Myth 2: Talented children face different problems than gifted children.

The Reality: Specially talented children face the same problems as the globally gifted."

See here for all nine myths...

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[Vincentboucher]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Book Review of "Gifted Children: Myths and Realities" by Ellen Winner...


See here for all nine myths...

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********************Myth 7: Gifted children are glowing with psychological health.
The Reality: As with a disability, giftedness can lead to unhappiness and social isolation. With adult minds in children's bodies, profoundly gifted children tend to be persecuted by other children. They tend to find little commonality with their age peers, relating to older children or adults. ************************************************** *


- myth #2 , is talking about talented children, like those who excell in tenis, in arts, music, It just says thay talented children face the sames problems as the gifted children.

[Iamsuperman]

Originally Posted by Vincentboucher

- myth #2 , is talking about talented children, like those who excell in tenis, in arts, music, It just says thay talented children face the sames problems as the gifted children.

What is this soupossed to mean? What kind of problems? Social? They still hit learning blocks?

[Doku]

Originally Posted by Vincentboucher

********************Myth 7: Gifted children are glowing with psychological health.
The Reality: As with a disability, giftedness can lead to unhappiness and social isolation. With adult minds in children's bodies, profoundly gifted children tend to be persecuted by other children. They tend to find little commonality with their age peers, relating to older children or adults. ************************************************** *

You know, on this point, I actually agree with you. Gifted children generally do have many social problems. I do not, however, believe that the average gifted adult is any worse off than the average adult.

Here are the metrics that will make me change those beliefs:
Intelligent (130+) vs. the middle average (129 - 71).
1) Percentage in jail for social crimes (rape, murder, etc)
2) percentage undergone drug rehab
3) Marriage rate
4) Divorce rate
5) suicide rate
Those are what I consider good measures of social skills, and fitting in with society.

Here's my 30,000 ft view on why gifted kids have the isolation problems: 1) they find their peers dull and boring. 2) They annoy the krap out of older kids. 3) the school system is designed to make kids fear all adults, so the gifted kids fear relating to adults.

[openeyes]

Originally Posted by Vincentboucher

With adult minds in children's bodies, profoundly gifted children tend to be persecuted by other children. They tend to find little commonality with their age peers, relating to older children or adults.

My grandmother says I was born grown up. Whenever going to parties with my parents I always focused on the adults more than those my age. Being persecuted for intellect wasn't an issue because I hit puberty several years earlier than most kids (~8 yrs old) and was thus bigger than most anyone my age until about my junior year in high school, and am still stronger. At 11 I looked 17 and was dating a 16 year old (this was not an exception, but the general trend for me).

Finally in high school and college I began coming across more mature students closer to my age, but still at diverse parties I'm apt to end up speaking with people who are 10 to 50 years older than me. I usually avoid normal college parties where everyone is about my age unless it's primarily stocked with the exceptional beings who are already my friends. I prefer people who either already have lots of life experiences to share, or are at least kind, curious, and open to new possibilities.

With people my age, rather than trying hard to relate intellectually (for that I prefer books), I focus more on the emotional, physical, and spiritual aspects of life, being very affectionate and playful about things. No point in saying things that won't be properly understood. I'm drawn to the young people who are exceptions to the rule. With them I can share both affection and one another's thoughts. Most could likely get into Mensa if they cared to. They're all extraordinary in their own ways.

Psychological health CAN be an issue for many of the people who end up being most interesting to me, as we often don't fit into the world at large. We lack many of the common prejudices and convictions. Many are bi or bi-friendly. Few feel a need to be limited by normal behavioral mannerisms. Once we find others somewhat like us mental issues stop being so prevalent. We're creative enough to continue finding ways to enjoy ourselves, and friends are the best therapy for mind body and soul.

[tapistry]

Being "intelligent" or possessing the ability to recognize patterns and theoretical reasoning is blown out of proportion. As a child my mother would ask me to name a "d" word and i would answer "cat", name a "t" word and i would say "rock". They feared i was handicapped, so they sent me to a psychologist. At the age of six they proclaimed i had an IQ of 136. From that point on my mother would tell me that i'm special, or that i should work really hard and i could become anything. They even sent me to a special school. Special school sucked, they pushed and pushed until many of us just sat down and quit.

You asked what its like to be in the so called top 1%? Its no different then being good at sports or being left handed minus the statistics. It isn't better, it's just a different perspective. It's like running a six minute mile compared to an eight. It doesn't make you better, just different. Some people place too much importance in being different. Honestly? The ability to see words and numbers and patterns doesn't necessarily help me at work. I work at Barnes & Noble. At work i am considered the backward boys, i always need help, it is obvious to them that although I am "intelligent" however it doesn't mean im superior, it just means i excel in areas that other don't. It just happens to be that the ability to see number, words, patterns is mythologized. I always compare intelligence to the iris, some people have different colors. It is inevitable that some of us will have more rare colors. However having a rare color doesn't make me better then anyone else.

[Shamou]

I think that it could be worthwhile to state that there are many types of intelligence... some of us could excel in one or many of those types... and be deficient in others...

Here is one classification of intelligence... (there are also other classifications)

The Nine Types of Intelligence
By Howard Gardner

1. Naturalist Intelligence (“Nature Smart”)

2. Musical Intelligence (“Musical Smart”)

3. Logical-Mathematical Intelligence (Number/Reasoning Smart)

4. Existential Intelligence

5. Interpersonal Intelligence (People Smart”)

6. Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence (“Body Smart”)

7. Linguistic Intelligence (Word Smart)

8. Intra-personal Intelligence (Self Smart”)

9. Spatial Intelligence (“Picture Smart”)

From: Overview of the Multiple Intelligences Theory. Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development and Thomas Armstrong.com

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[RT Wolf]

^ That's Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. I think #4 might be more easily understood as spiritual or metaphysical intelligence.

There's many different theories of intelligence nad its a very hard thing to conceptualize and even define for some people. And people have a tendancy to define intelligence in the way that makes them appear above average.

IQ receives much criticism for being too focused on logical/mathematical/linguistics. For example, I haven't had a proper IQ test (the online ones tend to inflate your scores, I think) but I'm definitely above average (or at least, so people tell me, I can't tell cause I've never been not like this). I also have an innate mechanical ability. I KNOW mechanical stuff and computesr and stuff, just have a sixth sense for 'em and that sorta thing can't be measured on an IQ test.

And while IQ does correlate highly with academic success, success in a job or in life correlations are quite low. Meaning IQ doesn't have that much to do with it. So anyone reading this thread thinking that someone's doing better cause they have a high IQ, that's likely not the case.

I found this to be a funny story:

Asimov, "What is Intelligence?"

IQ can also have heinous labelling effects, especailly if we believe that intelligence is fixed. Intelligence isn't all inherited, many researchers believe it's about 70% inherited, the rest being influenced by the environment, and differnet percentages for different people. So, you can get "smarter" with hard work.

The Power (and Peril) of Praising Your Kids -- New York Magazine

[barbesj]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I think that it could be worthwhile to state that there are many types of intelligence... some of us could excel in one or many of those types... and be deficient in others...

Here is one classification of intelligence... (there are also other classifications)

The Nine Types of Intelligence
By Howard Gardner

1. Naturalist Intelligence (“Nature Smart”)

2. Musical Intelligence (“Musical Smart”)

3. Logical-Mathematical Intelligence (Number/Reasoning Smart)

4. Existential Intelligence

5. Interpersonal Intelligence (People Smart”)

6. Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence (“Body Smart”)

7. Linguistic Intelligence (Word Smart)

8. Intra-personal Intelligence (Self Smart”)

9. Spatial Intelligence (“Picture Smart”)

From: Overview of the Multiple Intelligences Theory. Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development and Thomas Armstrong.com

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I'm in total agreement with Shamou on this. I do believe there are different areas of intelligence. We all have different skill levels in each area. My brother was an average/below average student-but his mechanical skills are out of this world. From the age of 2, he was taking apart anything he could get his hands on so he could figure out how it worked and put it back together.

I scored over 130+ but there are times I feel very unintelligent. I think we all feel that way from time to time in different settings and circumstances.

I'm an ENFJ btw-not really sure what that means in the big scheme of things, but its interesting!.

[Old Soul]

How do people with high IQ think?

For me it is about creativity...

Pearl Buck
To them... a touch is a blow, a sound is a noise, a misfortune is a tragedy, a joy is an ecstasy, a friend is a lover, a lover is a god, and failure is death.

giftedness - characteristics

[RT Wolf]

Originally Posted by barbesj

I'm in total agreement with Shamou on this. I do believe there are different areas of intelligence. We all have different skill levels in each area. My brother was an average/below average student-but his mechanical skills are out of this world. From the age of 2, he was taking apart anything he could get his hands on so he could figure out how it worked and put it back together.

If you don't mind me asking, what does he do now? I have a similar mechanical apititude, and I'm thinking about moving into something allows me to use it.

[Jes]

Originally Posted by zpivat

I'm very interested in anything related to intelligence, and to those of you who know you have a high (i.e: 130 or higher) IQ (or at least have been regularly labelled so by your peers), I wonder how you think? How do you analyze information or situations? Are you almost always able to think quickly, solve problems quickly, understand things quickly? Do you think in a visual or abstract way?
Feel free to share anything you can think of

My IQ is 145, and I usually operate out of a fear mentality ("if I do X, the result could be Y, but it could also be Z---and Z would not be good for me"). This has the benefit of allowing me to make good decisions based on a sort of primal, survival instinct. So when it comes to matters of survival, I'm very good. When it comes to everything else, I try to make it about survival best I can ("if this project isn't creative enough, I won't make the most money I possibly can, which means my chances of survival won't be as great"). I would definitely say I'm able to think, solve, and understand quickly. But some things you can't possibly understand until you experience, so life and time kind of keep me on my toes. I definitely think in a visual/abstract way most of the time. I feel like that's the most important tool I've got to enhance my intelligence and understanding, but at the same time, it alienates me from most of the world. For example, most of my friends think I should get a "real" job, because that's what normal kids do in America. But considering none of them work for any other reason than to buy clothes and gadgets and increase their credit limits (oh, fools!), I see no real benefit in exchanging my limited time on this earth for an easier way of collecting material possessions. I visualize my life as an adventure, a journey, and the work that I do is meaningful to myself, and to many other people on their own separate journeys. Obviously that's not the best example of visual or abstract thinking, but it's a hard concept to explain without sounding completely batshit crazy.