|06-07-2009, 06:33 AM||#1 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jun 2009
contact with my father?
The reason why I came to this forum is because I have lost contact with my father since 2001. Basically this was my own choice. When I was about 1 year old my parents got divorced. I grew up with my mother as an only child. I did see my father every two weeks for a weekend and later I lived two weeks with my mother and went one week to him. I liked it back then, we had a lot of fun together. He wasn't a father to me, more a kind of entertainer. He never paid anything for me. I even had to bring my own suitcase with clothes every time I visited him. My mother was (and is) a stay-home mum, with a lot of psychological problems due to her very hard youth. She was in no condition to work and couldn't really raise me. But I think she did the best she could. And I have forgiven her for all her mistakes as I know (and always knew) her terrible and tragic story.
My father knew how troubled my mother was, but he never did anything about that. He let her be, he let me be. It wasn't his concern. He didn't work either. But he was just lazy. As far as I know he had a very normal childhood, with loving parents and loving siblings. Somehow, though, he stared using hashes and marihuana (I live in the Netherlands) and that went from bad to worse. He even dealt when I was around. About 10 people a day came by to buy some stuff. He took me with him when he went to the coffee shops to buy heaps of hash (much more than is allowed here). I knew the smell, colour and taste of them when I was 6 years old! Maroc for instance looks kind of yellow, Afghan is very dark and I used to play with it as you can knead it! The weettops hung in my room to dry. I slept under them... I now wonder what that did to me. It can't be good for a child that young. I know in school they called me dreamy... (guess why). Still I liked it there at that time. I loved my father for who he was.
When I was about 15 I couldn't stand it any longer. My father had a girlfriend and they both thought they were the best people in the world. I don't know whether this had to do with the drugs or it was just them. At that time they were growing mushrooms as well. My father started to criticize everything about me. He thought I was dumb as I couldn't do the maths. I stressed and panicked as soon as I saw numbers... (I later learned it is dyscalculia, the calculate variant of dyslexia, but I had never heard of that until 2 years ago). In his opinion that all had to do with the school my mother send me to. He criticized everything about my mother, her choices and the schools she picked, but never attended any parent night or whatever. So my mother had to do that all by herself. I know that that was really tough for her. Dealing with her own problems and (when sober) trying to take care best she could. I then decided I didn't want to go to my father at set times anymore. So I just went when I felt like it, which was pretty often back then. I also slept there from time to time.
When I was 17 my father and his girlfriend got a baby, a boy. When she was still pregnant they married without telling me. I found the weddingbook one day. I then felt like everything would change as soon as the baby was born. My father later told me they married because they didn't want the child to have the name of the mother and that was the only reason. It didn't mean anything to them. They even wanted me as a witness, but as I was still 17 that wasn't possible. Still I think they should've told me. When the baby was born I had the feeling as if they didn't really like it when I was around. I let it go on for 3 more years, and then I had had more than enough.
I lived alone for a few years now, but it didn't go as well as it should. I had problems paying the rent and finally I had to leave that room. My father wanted me to come living with him, so he could 'train' me well. In return I had to quit every contacts I had with friends and the woman who had become my second mother over the years. In his opinion she was no good for me as she was narrow-minded and that wouldn't do me any good. For the same reason he wanted me to quit contact with my best friend. I wasn't allowed to dance anymore as I would see my friends there and I would never become a prima ballerina so why did I bother at all? I couldn't live by his rules so I went to my mother. I lived with her for another year. I didn't intend to, but I lost contact with my father then. I just didn't want to see him for a little while for all the things he had said to me. Before I knew it I received a postcard saying he had some diaries of me and he wanted me to pick them up before a certain date. If I wouldn't come he would consider them as his own and use them when he would write is memoirs about 'the heavy mutilation from mother to daughter and where that could lead to'. And that did it for me. I went by with a friend, no-one was home (god was I glad), but the backdoor was open. So we sneaked in and got everything that was mine and went away as quickly as we could. Of course it pissed him off.
About half a year later he suddenly was waiting for me in his car in the street where my mother lives. He said he had this 'document' for me and he wanted me to read it. But he didn't have it with him at the time so he asked me when and where he could drop it by. I set an appointment as I naively thought he meant well. He gave me the 'document'. It was a letter of 78 typed papers filled with reproaches against me and my mother. Really horrible stories of what my mother did to him. I don't know, knowing my mother I guess they might be true, but why did he tell me? What did I have to do with it? He even said he could have gone to the police because I stole my belongings. I read the document once and then threw it away. I didn't want my mother to read it, nor did I want to read it ever again myself.
I still don't understand why he wrote all the stuff. I mean, he should've known that that wasn't the way to get me back. Far from that even. I was so angry at that point I didn't want to see him at all. I really felt hate after reading that and that is something I hope never to feel again.
Well, the hate is gone now. But the postcard and the 'document' are in the way. He has approached me lately over the email. He says they were the only people who really loved me and that everything bad that had happened, was cause of my mother. He says if ever I want to feel that love again, I just have to be brave and come back to him.
I have thought about it very often, but as I said, the postcard and the 'document' keep getting in my head. How can I go back to someone like that? How can I go back to someone who thinks I'm crazy? To someone who doesn't respect me for who I am? And to someone who blames everyone but himself? But still, he is my father, right? And we never really talked about it. He now says it is all based on misunderstandings. But the things he wrote were for real. And they still hurt. It’s been years… He’s almost 50 now, I am almost 30. God, where did the time go?
After reading this long story, what do you think?
What would you do?
I really hope to hear from you, because I don't know at this time.
Thank you so much for your time and interest!
Last edited by Zira; 06-07-2009 at 07:50 AM.
|06-07-2009, 07:44 PM||#3 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jun 2009
I had to think about that for a long time. The answer is: no I don't love him, but I loved him once. Why? Just because he was my father. Because children love their parents unconditional until something happens that shows who their parents really are. My mother I still love, despite all her mistakes. Why? I don't know. One thing I do know though, she never ever tried to break me. She always loved me best she could. Isn't that, after all, what parenthood is about?
I'm afraid I will never really love my father again. But somehow I feel sorry for him, for not knowing me. On the other hand, why should I feel sorry, as it's his twisted mind, ain't it? I don't know. It is so very hard.
Thanks for asking me this simple, yet difficult questions!
|06-08-2009, 07:09 AM||#4 (permalink)|
Join Date: Dec 2008
I think it is tremendously hard to love unconditionally here, as a human. You say children love their parents unconditionally: I find, it means, "If you are my father, then I love you." Conditional, no? Similarly, it tends to be, "If you are my child, then I love you."
Even my sister. Completely innocent and pure. I love her because of that yes, because of who she is, yes, but also because she is my sister. If she isn't, if she's simply another kid, and even if I know her, no I don't love her. Might like her a lot, that's it.
|06-08-2009, 07:49 AM||#5 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jun 2009
You're right about that. I love my mother, but if she wasn't my mother I would think she is some strange woman and I would never love her. But love has to grow. You can't love a stranger because you don't know him or her. But when you get to know eachother you might start to feel love. You love your sister because you know her. And you probably know her better than any of your friends.
|06-08-2009, 08:21 AM||#6 (permalink)|
Join Date: Dec 2008
Yes, but the foundation of it, at the most basic of such 'unconditional' love, is the condition of relation.
Although one could argue, a newborn child as it's growing up would not know these relations; then societal conditioning, etc, etc.
I'm not to argue.
Having said what I wanted to say re your main post above, I bid you good luck. Cheers.
|06-08-2009, 09:22 AM||#7 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Madison, WI
From what you have said, your father does not want to take responsibliity for his part in anything negative. He wants to blame it all on your mother. This isn't fair. This man is abusive. The tell tale sign is he made you stop all contact with friends and other family. This is so he can have complete control over you. We can love unconditionally but we don't need to be around those people. Even family members can be toxic. Ask yourself, how do you feel when you've been around him? Do you feel drained of energy? Do you feel worse about yourself than before you were with this person?
You don't have to be around your father just because he wants a relationship. There is another thread in the forum in 'social and relationships' about toxic parents. Surround yourself with people who make you feel good about yourself.
It sounds like he may have narcisistic personality disorder. They blame everything bad on others and see themselves as completely blameless and their opinion is the only one "right." They have a twisted view of reality and I wouldn't even believe all the things he wrote in the "document". It sounds like you had a difficult childhood. Just work on your own healing by being aware of your thoughts and feelings and releasing them. Work on forgiving your father that is the best way to heal.
|06-09-2009, 10:24 PM||#8 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Houston, TX
From what you wrote, I get the feeling that your father is not a very nice man. He come across as manipulative and controlling. And if it were me, I would avoid such people.
Maybe you can communicate via email... or have a pleasant phone call once every few months. But only talk about inconsequential things. It sounds like something is about to blow... like a sleeping volcano. So I would not recommend having a relationship with this man.
Yes, he is your father, but there is no rule in stone that says you are required to have a loving relationship with your father. Yes, it would be nice... but a relationship takes more than one person. So forgive yourself, accept the dad you've been dealt is not available for the kind of dad you really want, and move on.
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