Met a girl at the gig, and not experienced with girls

[brendannz]

Hi everyone,

OK, I met this girl at this gig tonight, Okkervil River played. I ended up talking to her fairly briefly, and I also made out with her eventually, and got her email address. I'm 27 and not very experienced with girls really.. Having great music taste is an awesome start though..

She was probably a little bit tipsy, but not completely lost awareness..

She works at an engineering library, and my mum works at a library and my dad and brother are engineers, which is a bit worrying haha.

email might've been cowardly rather than phone number, but I work funny hours online, so I figure it's probably more effective communication device for meeting up...

Anyone got any suggestions of basic etiquitte for dating? ideas? i'm not very experienced, due to social phobia in the past, but I've improved my general confidence in the last 2 years, and got her email, and I like the same music, and have already kissed her.

[James81]

Don't let your inexperience cloud your actions. Contrary to popular opinion, a girl finding out that you aren't very experienced with women is actually a turn on for some women, but it's not a detriment to MOST of them. Basically, there's only a small pool of women who would actually be turned off by inexperience, and they are probably the ones you consider to be "out of your league" anyway.

My point: The more you try to hide your inexperience, the more she will pick up that you are trying to hide something and be turned off. If you embrace it, and show her that you aren't bothered by it, she won't be either. She'll enjoy being the one to give you experience.

In essence...BE REAL. Don't be afraid to disagree with her on things, show her your true self, lead the interaction (but don't try to dominate it), and go with what feels right. Ideally, you're a fairly busy person with things to do, so you won't be clingy. But at the end of the day, try not to come on too strong too soon.

Other than that, have fun. That's the whole purpose of dating is to have fun and get to know someone. So do that.

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by James81

Don't let your inexperience cloud your actions. Contrary to popular opinion, a girl finding out that you aren't very experienced with women is actually a turn on for some women, but it's not a detriment to MOST of them. Basically, there's only a small pool of women who would actually be turned off by inexperience, and they are probably the ones you consider to be "out of your league" anyway.

Thanks! sounds like your post was the advice I needed.

Actually the ''out of my league'' ones I'd probably only be interested in on physical attraction alone, and ideally I don't want to be totally shallow..

Actually this girl said she was new to the city and meeting new people, but I'm still wondering a bit that I went from probably about a minutes conversation to making out.. but I enjoyed it.. but makes me a bit nervous about future meetings.

Although she was cool enough, and her friend was very inclusive..

[James81]

Originally Posted by brendannz

Actually this girl said she was new to the city and meeting new people, but I'm still wondering a bit that I went from probably about a minutes conversation to making out.. but I enjoyed it.. but makes me a bit nervous about future meetings.

Well, kissing is so not a big deal to girls. Most attractive girls have probably kissed hundreds of guys, so it's pretty easy to get a kiss from them.

Not sure why the making out makes you nervous about future meetings...is it the inexperience? I'm fairly sure that if you are reasonably upfront about it, her reaction will really take the edge off of your nervousness methinks.

Just remember that on the extremely highly unlikely she rejects you based on your inexperience, that the rejection isn't the end of the world. You'll eventually find someone who is willing to work with the inexperience. I know several girls who are married who've told me that the first time they had sex with their husbands it was absolutely terrible.

In fact, the first time I had sex with my ex-wife, it was a completely terrible experience. It lasted like 2 minutes (and neither one of us had an orgasm), was in my truck, the position was terrible, we'd had about 3 or 4 failed attempts to even achieve the act of sex (if you know what I am talking about) before that, etc.

I ended up with a 6 year relationship with her, and in time I became really good at pleasing her.

No worries mate. Sexual inexperience (or inexperience in general) is only something that is in YOUR head. The other person isn't focused on your inexperience (unless you are so nervous that it becomes awkward), they are focused on how THEY are appearing to YOU.

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by James81

Well, kissing is so not a big deal to girls. Most attractive girls have probably kissed hundreds of guys, so it's pretty easy to get a kiss from them.

Not sure why the making out makes you nervous about future meetings...is it the inexperience? I'm fairly sure that if you are reasonably upfront about it, her reaction will really take the edge off of your nervousness methinks.

Just remember that on the extremely highly unlikely she rejects you based on your inexperience, that the rejection isn't the end of the world. You'll eventually find someone who is willing to work with the inexperience. I know several girls who are married who've told me that the first time they had sex with their husbands it was absolutely terrible.

In fact, the first time I had sex with my ex-wife, it was a completely terrible experience. It lasted like 2 minutes (and neither one of us had an orgasm), was in my truck, the position was terrible, we'd had about 3 or 4 failed attempts to even achieve the act of sex (if you know what I am talking about) before that, etc.

I ended up with a 6 year relationship with her, and in time I became really good at pleasing her.

No worries mate. Sexual inexperience (or inexperience in general) is only something that is in YOUR head. The other person isn't focused on your inexperience (unless you are so nervous that it becomes awkward), they are focused on how THEY are appearing to YOU.

Oh yeah,

you're probably right about kissing being no big deal. It's just that it's not an everyday thing for me to be making out with chicks in a public place..

and I think with future meetings it's just my social anxiety.. I can get flustered real easily and even blush just on meeting girls, so I'm embarassed by my own social anxiety. But I've worked on it a bit, over the years.. Really, unless you're really rude, then it's hard to offend..

I used to get harassed, even bullied a bit in the past by people for sexual inexperience, but now I realise that they just couldn't mind their own business because their own business wasn't worth minding..

[James81]

Originally Posted by brendannz

Oh yeah,

you're probably right about kissing being no big deal. It's just that it's not an everyday thing for me to be making out with chicks in a public place..

and I think with future meetings it's just my social anxiety.. I can get flustered real easily and even blush just on meeting girls, so I'm embarassed by my own social anxiety. But I've worked on it a bit, over the years.. Really, unless you're really rude, then it's hard to offend..

I used to get harassed, even bullied a bit in the past by people for sexual inexperience, but now I realise that they just couldn't mind their own business because their own business wasn't worth minding..

It also helps to realize that the people who harassed/bullied you were projecting their own insecurities onto you.

As for the social anxiety, I understand that. I still get a little anxious meeting new people. Some things that have helped me:

1. Playing LOUD music in my car and absolutely rocking out to it....the fast movements really shake and loosen you up, so that when you get out, you're not as nervous/anxious.

2. Having a beer before going out (and then chewing some gum or having a breath mint or something). Just one. Don't get drunk or anything.

3. Meditation. This works best when you make it a habit. If you only do it at random times, you're going to get sparse, sporadic results.

4. Realizing, truly realizing, that the other person isn't as focused on me as I am. The times I am most comfortable are the times when I am successfully able to shift my focus off myself and the fear of doing something stupid and ONTO getting to know the other person. It also helps me to know that the other person is more worried about how THEY appear to ME, than how I appear to them.

5. Maintaining a sense of humor. There's nothing that loosens up a social activity like laughing with them and joking around.

6. Preparing for the awkward or silent moments by having some topics "in reserve" to talk about.

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by James81

It also helps to realize that the people who harassed/bullied you were projecting their own insecurities onto you.

As for the social anxiety, I understand that. I still get a little anxious meeting new people. Some things that have helped me:

1. Playing LOUD music in my car and absolutely rocking out to it....the fast movements really shake and loosen you up, so that when you get out, you're not as nervous/anxious.

2. Having a beer before going out (and then chewing some gum or having a breath mint or something). Just one. Don't get drunk or anything.

3. Meditation. This works best when you make it a habit. If you only do it at random times, you're going to get sparse, sporadic results.

4. Realizing, truly realizing, that the other person isn't as focused on me as I am. The times I am most comfortable are the times when I am successfully able to shift my focus off myself and the fear of doing something stupid and ONTO getting to know the other person. It also helps me to know that the other person is more worried about how THEY appear to ME, than how I appear to them.

5. Maintaining a sense of humor. There's nothing that loosens up a social activity like laughing with them and joking around.

6. Preparing for the awkward or silent moments by having some topics "in reserve" to talk about.

I've actually tried all these things, but I've never made a habit of meditation, just off an on occasionally..

Even though I've tried these things, it's good to hear that they've been successful to know they're probably a good thing to do.. I've got a good sense of humour, but I can seem quite serious to some people before I get to know them..

Thanks for your time, been helpful!

[James81]

Originally Posted by brendannz

I've actually tried all these things, but I've never made a habit of meditation, just off an on occasionally..

Even though I've tried these things, it's good to hear that they've been successful to know they're probably a good thing to do.. I've got a good sense of humour, but I can seem quite serious to some people before I get to know them..

Thanks for your time, been helpful!

No problem.

I know it's not an easy road, but keep chipping away at it. You won't change overnight, but the more you work at being calm, the more you face the beliefs that are holding you back, etc., the better things will be.

[aussieNickuss]

Originally Posted by James81

2. Having a beer before going out (and then chewing some gum or having a breath mint or something). Just one. Don't get drunk or anything.

That ALWAYS makes the difference between me joining in a crowd or just standing there listening.

If I have a beer on my way out the door to a party or get together, I can jump straight into socializing. When I don't, it can take an hour or more to "warm up". I don't know wether it's subconscious or if it's the alcohol because one beer doesn't make me feel any different. It takes more than a few beers to even begin to feel tipsy for me (thick skinned) .

[James81]

Originally Posted by aussieNickuss

That ALWAYS makes the difference between me joining in a crowd or just standing there listening.

If I have a beer on my way out the door to a party or get together, I can jump straight into socializing. When I don't, it can take an hour or more to "warm up". I don't know wether it's subconscious or if it's the alcohol because one beer doesn't make me feel any different. It takes more than a few beers to even begin to feel tipsy for me (thick skinned) .

I guess it's kind of a crutch. Ideally, though, it'd be nice to face whatever drawbacks the beer is lessening and be able to move past it.

[Plato]

Be honest, be yourself, and don't care what happens. Reach out and connect with her in the first way that comes to mind. It's not a big deal. It's a just an interaction with one of billions of people.

Most importantly, GET EXPERIENCE!!! Then you won't need advice.

Giving people social advice is akin to instructing somebody on how to walk, muscle by muscle. You learn by doing it.

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by aussieNickuss

That ALWAYS makes the difference between me joining in a crowd or just standing there listening.

If I have a beer on my way out the door to a party or get together, I can jump straight into socializing. When I don't, it can take an hour or more to "warm up". I don't know wether it's subconscious or if it's the alcohol because one beer doesn't make me feel any different. It takes more than a few beers to even begin to feel tipsy for me (thick skinned) .

Yeah I agree.. I think society needs alcohol as a drug for people to socialise with each other, and to help people get over their 9-5 lives. Lol..

In saying that, I respect all people who don't drink alcohol as well..

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by Plato

Be honest, be yourself, and don't care what happens. Reach out and connect with her in the first way that comes to mind. It's not a big deal. It's a just an interaction with one of billions of people.

Most importantly, GET EXPERIENCE!!! Then you won't need advice.

Giving people social advice is akin to instructing somebody on how to walk, muscle by muscle. You learn by doing it.

Thanks Dr. Plato,

I've been trying to get that in my head. Be honest, be myself and don't care what happens. I'd like to make out again, but really I should just try to have fun, and if I get social anxiety, make sure I don't do anything offensive, which would be pretty hard to do anyway. If nothing comes to anything it probably would be for the better..

I'm just trying to build a wall of inner happiness with myself, so external events don't affect me.

I've been emailing her, she's a master degree student.. and still waiting for her to reply to my current email, so it's possible she'll reconsider and not reply, but that's alright.

Do you think that getting email is a bad idea rather than phone number? In your opinion? I've found with general friendships I've made, that emails a better way to get to know people faster, than phone conversation.. Plus I'm supposed to be meeting her for a 'coffee' so then can get in the face to face communication.. I might have a hot chocolate to ease anxiety rather than a coffee, even though I like coffee

She emailed me this youtube link to a song by the band that played;
YouTube - For Real *** Okkervil River

It has the lyrics "I wanna see you tried" and "You can't hide" which kind of is a fitting message for me on this date, because I've been thinking of backing out in fear, but i won't, because I know there's only one way to learn to socialise.. But I'm pretty sure she just sent it, because I told her what albums I have and this song isn't on them, so she thinks I haven't heard this track and seen the video, and is just simply saying "this song is cool".

I think everyone's been helpful enough with this post and it's really just a matter of not worrying about the outcome..

If anyone knows any things I can do to not think about her / the date in the meantime, that would be cool..

I just have a bit of a worrying problem.. and need to calm down, sometimes.

[Plato]

The email vs phone thing: personally I always go for the option I'm able to convey my personality best.

The reason I speak in such an authoritative tone, Brendan, is that I used to have social anxiety too. I've beaten it!!!

Check my blog for some of the ways I did that. Overall the most important thing I did was ANARCHY. No joke. There's no better way to communicate to your subconscious mind that you don't give a damn, than being utterly outrageous. Violate social norms in the extreme.

[dwixi]

Originally Posted by brendannz

Hi everyone,

OK, I met this girl at this gig tonight, Okkervil River played. I ended up talking to her fairly briefly, and I also made out with her eventually, and got her email address. I'm 27 and not very experienced with girls really.. Having great music taste is an awesome start though..

She was probably a little bit tipsy, but not completely lost awareness..

She works at an engineering library, and my mum works at a library and my dad and brother are engineers, which is a bit worrying haha.

email might've been cowardly rather than phone number, but I work funny hours online, so I figure it's probably more effective communication device for meeting up...

Anyone got any suggestions of basic etiquitte for dating? ideas? i'm not very experienced, due to social phobia in the past, but I've improved my general confidence in the last 2 years, and got her email, and I like the same music, and have already kissed her.

Okay, too me this wouldn't be a big deal. I know it is to you. But remember it wouldn't be a big deal to me. If you really think she is amazing just email her and say, I hope you remember me after being tipsy the other night, you seemed great. We should meet up properly some time!

Yeah. If you really like her it will all work out and b great
cc have fun

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by dwixi

Okay, too me this wouldn't be a big deal. I know it is to you. But remember it wouldn't be a big deal to me. If you really think she is amazing just email her and say, I hope you remember me after being tipsy the other night, you seemed great. We should meet up properly some time!

Yeah. If you really like her it will all work out and b great
cc have fun

Yeah I've already been emailing.. Waiting to hear response from my last email.. (hope she hasn't flaked)

I wouldn't say she's amazing because I don't even know her all that well.. but I told her she was real pretty after making out..

I'll tell her I think she's cool next email

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by Plato

The email vs phone thing: personally I always go for the option I'm able to convey my personality best.

The reason I speak in such an authoritative tone, Brendan, is that I used to have social anxiety too. I've beaten it!!!

Check my blog for some of the ways I did that. Overall the most important thing I did was ANARCHY. No joke. There's no better way to communicate to your subconscious mind that you don't give a damn, than being utterly outrageous. Violate social norms in the extreme.

Hey Plato,

Thanks, I've been listening to the Ramones heaps now, punk rock to eradicate anxiety.. not sure if it's working.

The world's strongest man thread was cool.. I really like his ideas, about loving everyone otherwise they own you, and also building the happiness bubble.

I've got a link for you about a similar guy in NZ. He's a motivational speaker called Tony Christenson, he's also lived life to the fullest, probably lived beyond the life of a rock star;

YouTube - Tony Christiansen Climbs Mt Kilimanjaro

[aussieNickuss]

Originally Posted by brendannz

I think society needs alcohol as a drug for people to socialise with each other

If it weren't for alcohol, the human race would have died out centuries ago.

[UnleashReality]

firstly, i'd recommend you stop looking for reasons for you two to hookup (commonalities etc) and just allow it to happen. building expectations will only get you hurt. "the key to happiness is no expectations "

...and as far as date etc, i'd say forget everything you've ever read or seen about dating.

don't even call it a date - call it an adventure.

don't try to impress her.

just be.

check out Real Social Dynamics Nation for girl advice.

all the best
alex

[UnleashReality]

firstly, i'd recommend you stop looking for reasons for you two to hookup (commonalities etc) and just allow it to happen. building expectations will only get you hurt. "the key to happiness is no expectations "

...and as far as date etc, i'd say forget everything you've ever read or seen about dating.

don't even call it a date - call it an adventure.

don't try to impress her.

just be.

check out Real Social Dynamics Nation for girl advice.

all the best
alex

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by UnleashReality

firstly, i'd recommend you stop looking for reasons for you two to hookup (commonalities etc) and just allow it to happen. building expectations will only get you hurt. "the key to happiness is no expectations "

...and as far as date etc, i'd say forget everything you've ever read or seen about dating.

don't even call it a date - call it an adventure.

don't try to impress her.

just be.

check out Real Social Dynamics Nation for girl advice.

all the best
alex

Hey there Alex,

Thanks for your post! So I've got the adventure on Saturday. which is 1.5 days.

If things between us is anything like the gig, it shouldn't take much effort to hook up, so my goal in the meantime is to become as authentic as possible.

I've got to know her casually through email over the last few days, and have tried not to reveal mine or ask for her life story and just look for common interests to talk about at the adventure.

I've tried to kill "obsessive thoughts" but found I was just kind of paddling against the tide. So just have to accept the thoughts, and see Saturday as a good learning curve, and do my best to be as real as possible.

Like when we hooked up at the gig, it wasn't by any manipulation, I was just being myself, feeling happy, and being genuinely interested in her when she approached me. Although I think she sensed that I wanted to talk to her, but just didn't know how to, which is why she approached. She actually approached a guy I was talking to, to try and talk to me, shook his hand and introduced and then I took the chance to join in the introductions.

So that's why my goal is to just put forward my real authentic self, and if it's meant to be it will happen.

The funny thing is that I've never really felt this way about a girl before, like everything seemed right and natural with me and her at the gig. I feel soo much different since meeting her. I've lost some weight because I'm not eating as much, plus I'm listening to much more music.

But anyway, it's possible I'm just feeling WAAY too romantic, and if things don't work out on the date, like I piss my pants or something (lol) then I still have myself, and I can still love myself.. Loving myself, and being happy and in the moment regardless of external events..

that's the key I think! and if I do get hurt / rejected /whatever, then it will still be building experience, so it's a win / win situation.

I might check out Real Social Dynamics another time, especially if this girl situation doesn't work out, but in the meantime I think I'll just try and be as real and authentic as possible, and not rely on external sources. She's a masters degree student, so I think if I 'game' her, she'll perceive that's what I'm trying to do, and it would be completely different to the self I presented to her at the gig that was successful.

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by UnleashReality

don't even call it a date - call it an adventure.

Hey ALex, I just went edited my last post and replaced the word date with the word adventure. I feel better already, so good call

[Bas]

Originally Posted by James81

Well, kissing is so not a big deal to girls. Most attractive girls have probably kissed hundreds of guys, so it's pretty easy to get a kiss from them.

Don't want to be nitpicking, but you're exaggerating


Kissing is indeed not such a big deal to girls. Shy people shouldn't forget that they see the world they are - you're projecting yourself. You assume other people might see kissing as a big deal, because you see it as a big deal. Whereas I know some guys who can go to a club with 200 people inside and kiss 5 girls there within an hour or two (nasty, I know). To them it's not a big deal - and they don't think it's a big deal to anyone else.

Their frame creates their reality.

So when you make an assumption about something or someone, be sure to ask yourself "is this real, or is this me?" before telling yourself that assumption is valid. Don't do it all the time though, do it in easy situations, where it doesn't lead to over-analysis.

Ultimately you should let your feeling, your intuition, guide you. It's the best guide you have.

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by Bas

Don't want to be nitpicking, but you're exaggerating


Kissing is indeed not such a big deal to girls. Shy people shouldn't forget that they see the world they are - you're projecting yourself. You assume other people might see kissing as a big deal, because you see it as a big deal. Whereas I know some guys who can go to a club with 200 people inside and kiss 5 girls there within an hour or two (nasty, I know). To them it's not a big deal - and they don't think it's a big deal to anyone else.

Their frame creates their reality.

So when you make an assumption about something or someone, be sure to ask yourself "is this real, or is this me?" before telling yourself that assumption is valid. Don't do it all the time though, do it in easy situations, where it doesn't lead to over-analysis.

Ultimately you should let your feeling, your intuition, guide you. It's the best guide you have.

Thanks, yeah, it's my reality.

Basically yeah, maybe kissing isn't such a big deal to everyone, but I held her for a lot of the night so shared about 20-30 minutes or so of intimacy to a band we really like, not just some rubbish pop music, basically the chemistry is there, now it's just a matter of putting it together with face to face verbal communication over a coffee which comes next, tomorrow...

[songwriter]

1 Kissing is a big deal (but I've never been kissed so maybe I overrate it). Much more than no kiss. But if she was "tipsy" maybe the kiss doesn't mean a thing.

2 You can use alcohol. I don't do it cause I don't want any substance I can depend of to help me. And I wouldn't be myself really. You wouldn't either unless you drink the same every day. If you were a regular drinker and you didn't drink because you have a date, you wouldn't be yourself either.
Women and men change a lot with alcohol, so what happens when some have drunk show nothing about how both are or relate really (except if they drink very often)

3 Even if it doesn't work, it's good. Cause you're exposing yourself to what you feel attracted. And that's good for your future with women anyway. Yes, maybe it can bring you down some days, but your future relationships with women will be better.

4 She works at an engineering library, and your mum works at a library and your dad and brother are engineers...
the way I see it that's a typical Jung's synchronicity, a message of "go ahead this away" or "post signs to follow", Erin Pavlina says. That doesn't mean it guarantees that's the love of your life, no. It says it's a right path to follow, no matter the outcome. Synchs are a peculiar concept, I know, if you don't know what they are better forget about this point.

5 I've done a lot of research and women are not turned off by lack of experience of being a virgin at all, on the oppossite, most like it.
But maybe the lack of experience can make you fail anyway, not because she doesn't like it, just because you're not used to the situation.

[brendannz]

Yeah OK, I met this girl today, I was quite shy when talking to her, and we had mainly a fun formal conversation about stuff. I was quite nervous, and so probably came through in me speaking a bit soft spoken. no real banter or humour, but she was really sweet, and she's really quite pretty with really nice eyes. She said to email her about meeting again when I asked if I could, but she is quite busy with study and jobs, and there's the possibility she won't want to reply to the email. But I think she probably will. I'm willing to take my time to get to know her, don't have to rush it.

I really enjoyed meeting her, so hopefully she felt the same way. Maybe next time I'll tell her that my dad's an engineer and my mums a librarian.

I think that night we got together was a bit of a heat of the moment thing, rather than any real life passing in front of your eyes when you meet your soulmate kind of happening. We were both digging the music, having a little bit to drink and relaxing. But today it was like I was meeting a person for the first time after email conversations..

Yeah the thing is, what would a real man do, in this situation if you like the girl, like would Johnny Cash say "ohh no, I think she doesn't like me, I don't wanna risk rejection" or Wolverine for that matter. No way, they'd go after what they want and express how they feel truthfully.. so that's what I'll try to do..

I might just send her a friendly conversational email to get talking to her again, and then look at organising a time to meet again, and add her to facebook again as well...

Like it seems like, we could be good friends at least, and like, if I want to hook up as long as I'm honest in my intentions, and not trying to blackmail in her panties with 'friendship'..

[brendannz]

Originally Posted by songwriter

1 Kissing is a big deal (but I've never been kissed so maybe I overrate it). Much more than no kiss. But if she was "tipsy" maybe the kiss doesn't mean a thing.

2 You can use alcohol. I don't do it cause I don't want any substance I can depend of to help me. And I wouldn't be myself really. You wouldn't either unless you drink the same every day. If you were a regular drinker and you didn't drink because you have a date, you wouldn't be yourself either.
Women and men change a lot with alcohol, so what happens when some have drunk show nothing about how both are or relate really (except if they drink very often)

3 Even if it doesn't work, it's good. Cause you're exposing yourself to what you feel attracted. And that's good for your future with women anyway. Yes, maybe it can bring you down some days, but your future relationships with women will be better.

4 She works at an engineering library, and your mum works at a library and your dad and brother are engineers...
the way I see it that's a typical Jung's synchronicity, a message of "go ahead this away" or "post signs to follow", Erin Pavlina says. That doesn't mean it guarantees that's the love of your life, no. It says it's a right path to follow, no matter the outcome. Synchs are a peculiar concept, I know, if you don't know what they are better forget about this point.

5 I've done a lot of research and women are not turned off by lack of experience of being a virgin at all, on the oppossite, most like it.
But maybe the lack of experience can make you fail anyway, not because she doesn't like it, just because you're not used to the situation.

THanks songwriter, think you're spot on with your analysis in this case. Was wondering, where did you get Erin Pavlina's link about synchronicity?

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by brendannz

THanks songwriter, think you're spot on with your analysis in this case. Was wondering, where did you get Erin Pavlina's link about synchronicity?

Erin talks often about synchs. She said "sign posts" not "posts signs" , let me search... I've just searched "synchronicities" in her blog and the result is this:
Erin Pavlina - Spiritual Wisdom for Conscious People

this is all about "signs"
Isn’t there a less painful way to learn spiritual lessons?