Do darkworkers love anyone at all besides themselves?

[CroMagna]

Hi everyone. I have already posted an intro. I have a pressing question about darkworking. I am an aspiring darkworker but I have some reservations.

I love my boyfriend very much and we have already had a mock wedding. He is a Satanist also and therefore is one of very few people who actually understand me fully. We are renting a house and I am moving out of my parents and in with him in about a week or two. I am excited to start my life with him. He means a lot to me and I worry about him a lot. I feel saddened when I think of him being in pain or enduring hardship.

Same with my mom. I love her a lot and think she's an amazing person. I really want to help her one day to get on her feet more financially.

With that said, can darkworkers love anyone besides themselves? I would feel horrible not loving these two special people. But I know that I'm not remotely qualified or interested in lightworking. Nor I am interested in the mediocrity and hypocrisy (not to mention evil) that stems from being non-polarized. The reason I'm not sure if darkworkers can love those close to them is that they aren't supposed to have love-energy flowing outward, or love-energy at all, but instead are supposed to be inward flowing and fear-based.

[Angela]

It's funny that you say you are not remotely interested in lightworking, and in the same post, you express abundant compassion, love, and a desire to make a difference. You sure you're not even a little bit interested in those things?

[Ceros]

As a darkworker myself (I've been striving towards the ideal for years, but only found out the actual name a moment ago) I can relate to a lot of what you said. Here are my musings on the topic:

First of all, a non-verbatim quote from a very moving piece comes in mind:
"I do not loathe you because you killed him. I loathe you because you removed his presence from my world".

Darkworking is all about personal gain.

If you are happy having these people are around you - then you benefit emotionally from having them around.

If you enjoy feeling "love" then you benefit from them by being able to love them.

It's not about what you do, but why you do it.

You could walk around spreading the Greatest Good to the world, but still be a darkworker, because the reason you're spreading the greater good is for yourself. "I enjoy living in a world where everyone's smiling more than a world where they walk around mopping around how miserable they are"

At the same time you could be a cold blood murderer, but still be a light worker, because the reason you've done all those atrocities was for the "Greater Good". (An example of the latter would be a "war hero").

To sum it up in three sentences:
1) You enjoy loving them.
2) You live for your own enjoyment.
3) Therefore loving them does not go against your personal values.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Ceros

As a darkworker myself (I've been striving towards the ideal for years, but only found out the actual name a moment ago) I can relate to a lot of what you said. Here are my musings on the topic:

First of all, a non-verbatim quote from a very moving piece comes in mind:
"I do not loathe you because you killed him. I loathe you because you removed his presence from my world".

Darkworking is all about personal gain.

If you are happy having these people are around you - then you benefit emotionally from having them around.

If you enjoy feeling "love" then you benefit from them by being able to love them.

It's not about what you do, but why you do it.

You could walk around spreading the Greatest Good to the world, but still be a darkworker, because the reason you're spreading the greater good is for yourself. "I enjoy living in a world where everyone's smiling more than a world where they walk around mopping around how miserable they are"

At the same time you could be a cold blood murderer, but still be a light worker, because the reason you've done all those atrocities was for the "Greater Good". (An example of the latter would be a "war hero").

To sum it up in three sentences:
1) You enjoy loving them.
2) You live for your own enjoyment.
3) Therefore loving them does not go against your personal values.

I was going to make my post and to tell my view but this is the same i was going to say. Well in point.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Ceros

As a darkworker myself (I've been striving towards the ideal for years, but only found out the actual name a moment ago) I can relate to a lot of what you said. Here are my musings on the topic:

First of all, a non-verbatim quote from a very moving piece comes in mind:
"I do not loathe you because you killed him. I loathe you because you removed his presence from my world".

Darkworking is all about personal gain.

If you are happy having these people are around you - then you benefit emotionally from having them around.

If you enjoy feeling "love" then you benefit from them by being able to love them.

It's not about what you do, but why you do it.

You could walk around spreading the Greatest Good to the world, but still be a darkworker, because the reason you're spreading the greater good is for yourself. "I enjoy living in a world where everyone's smiling more than a world where they walk around mopping around how miserable they are"

At the same time you could be a cold blood murderer, but still be a light worker, because the reason you've done all those atrocities was for the "Greater Good". (An example of the latter would be a "war hero").

To sum it up in three sentences:
1) You enjoy loving them.
2) You live for your own enjoyment.
3) Therefore loving them does not go against your personal values.

That makes sense. So I can give my mother money one day because it will make me happy to know she is happy. If she were ungrateful or demanding about it for odd reason, there would no purpose in doing it any longer, because I would not get any satisfaction from it. I can do things for others because I ultimately enjoy it, not because the world says to.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Angela

It's funny that you say you are not remotely interested in lightworking, and in the same post, you express abundant compassion, love, and a desire to make a difference. You sure you're not even a little bit interested in those things?

thank you

[Jamie]

Hi CroMagna,

I think, possibly, your need to label yourself, and then behave in such a way, as to live up to that label, may be a source of this problem.

I think the same applies to most people.

Why not just live, and act, according to your nature, to whatever you feel from moment to moment, no need to label yourself good or bad or light or dark or anything else.

Just be who and what you are.

Though I'm not sure how you'd reconcile that with what you said, re:

"Nor I am interested in the mediocrity and hypocrisy (not to mention evil) that stems from being non-polarized."

[CroMagna]

Jamie,

I developed an interest in polarizing when I read from Steve that polarizing gives you the optimal chance to succeed in the fastest amount of time. According to him, if you don't polarize, you will always wonder if you could have been much more successful.

[Ceros]

I agree with CroManga - the lightworker darkworker stuff is less about 'labeling' yourself as something and more about directing your energy into a single cause.

It's deciding on whether you want to devote yourself entirely to serving the Greater Good, or serving yourself without any regards for others, and being consistent with that choice.

Personally, adapting such a 'label' allowed me to unapologetically view myself as a master of my own fate, and gave me the confidence to pursue my ambitions without worrying whether or not they will correlate with someone else's view of "morality".

[Jamie]

Hi Guys,

I don't 'get' it; though I'm willing to investigate for myself, to discover if there is any validity in this, or value for me personally. I have a backgrond in Daoism, and have spent many years training with very highly developed individuals whom were very adept in use of their intrinsic energy, and intent. I recently made a post in this forum, on the topic of Daoism:

Just to say, if you 'get' Daoism, then it's not Daoism. It refers, or points to, an aspect of yourself that is previous to (more profound than) thought forms and mental concepts. It's not something you can grasp.

I would say there is a big difference between Daoism and light working...

With Daoism, there is an inherent order, or way; of the universe. All living things are endowed with this intrinsic intelligence, to follow the way of nature. When you try to be good, you are coming from a place of ego, just as much as you would be if you were trying to be selfish or evil. So you inhibit the ability of this intrinsic intelligence, to work through you; because your own ego is in the way.

I believe, in Daoism, emtiness is the greatest virtue, and morals are considered a mere contrivance? It's letting go of ego, moralising, contrivance, and allowing what is there, that remains when all falseness is gone, to come forth.

My issue with the light worker / dark worker thing, is that it seems to come from a more superficial or conceptual aspect of our being (i.e. from our intellect), and neglects this natural intrinsic intelligence, that is the very nature of our being (and is not dualistic).

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Hi Guys,

I don't 'get' it; though I'm willing to investigate for myself, to discover if there is any validity in this, or value for me personally. I have a backgrond in Daoism, and have spent many years training with very highly developed individuals whom were very adept in use of their intrinsic energy, and intent. I recently made a post in this forum, on the topic of Daoism:



My issue with the light worker / dark worker thing, is that it seems to come from a more superficial or conceptual aspect of our being (i.e. from our intellect), and neglects this natural intrinsic intelligence, that is the very nature of our being (and is not dualistic).

Interesting, but what do you mean by this "natural intrinsic intelligence"?

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Interesting, but what do you mean by this "natural intrinsic intelligence"?

Hi Sam,

It's behond 'interesting'..

It's the thing that makes you breathe, that makes grass grow..

For me, I feel it as an impulse, when I hush down my mental noise, and I'm still within; it's not particularly located within any part of my body, but it can be. It isn't an intellectual construct; and so whatever you call it, is neither here nor there; because it isn't in a name. The only thing I could do, with words, is to try and point you towards it, but it wouldn't be the words I use to describe it; because words are only ever in your head. Just feel; feel the unspoken impulse within your very own heart.

[jeff3]

According to Maslow, we are all darkworkers with the potential to become lightworkers.

[CroMagna]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Hi Guys,

I don't 'get' it; though I'm willing to investigate for myself, to discover if there is any validity in this, or value for me personally. I have a backgrond in Daoism, and have spent many years training with very highly developed individuals whom were very adept in use of their intrinsic energy, and intent. I recently made a post in this forum, on the topic of Daoism:



My issue with the light worker / dark worker thing, is that it seems to come from a more superficial or conceptual aspect of our being (i.e. from our intellect), and neglects this natural intrinsic intelligence, that is the very nature of our being (and is not dualistic).

Sounds similar to Buddhism, letting go of the ego, of social identity, attaining oneness. The Dao sounds like the Hindu "atman". Darkworkers are supposed to be very ego-driven and self-centered, to the point where they transcend self into a feeling of godhood and that they are at the center of their subjective realities, and at the apex. Lightworkers can probably show others "the way" and this is where Daoism may come in handy.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Hi Sam,

It's behond 'interesting'..

It's the thing that makes you breathe, that makes grass grow..

For me, I feel it as an impulse, when I hush down my mental noise, and I'm still within; it's not particularly located within any part of my body, but it can be. It isn't an intellectual construct; and so whatever you call it, is neither here nor there; because it isn't in a name. The only thing I could do, with words, is to try and point you towards it, but it wouldn't be the words I use to describe it; because words are only ever in your head. Just feel; feel the unspoken impulse within your very own heart.

This is way too subjective then... these "feelings" of the presence of whatever are way too subjective and not all people have them. I recently came to the conclusion that most people who believe in mystics and everything related to it have a high feeling sensitivity. Problem (no, it's actually a good thing, for me at least ) is, not all people are like that.


Of course you disagree and i respect that, but i still think that polarization has nothing to do with these daoism things you're preaching. Actually, the person will have to choose between following something like what you believe in and choosing for polarization. Both choices are OK, if it means the person will be better off than before.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Of course you disagree and i respect that, but i still think that polarization has nothing to do with these daoism things you're preaching.

No, I don't disagree! you should do whatever it you feel works best for you, that you personally understand and feel comfortable with, go for it.

Daoism, certainly isn't for everyone, not by a long shot; I'm not preaching anything, only explaining my own understanding of Daoism, and my own views, I don't want or need anyone else to share them.

Originally Posted by Sam988

Actually, the person will have to choose between following something like what you believe in and choosing for polarization. Both choices are OK, if it means the person will be better off than before.

You don't understand, as I tried to point out, it has nothing to do with belief, belief is always about creating mental constructs. It's about feeling.

Yeah, everything is OK, you do what you do, and you get what you get, it's all cool.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

Sounds similar to Buddhism, letting go of the ego, of social identity, attaining oneness. The Dao sounds like the Hindu "atman". Darkworkers are supposed to be very ego-driven and self-centered, to the point where they transcend self into a feeling of godhood and that they are at the center of their subjective realities, and at the apex. Lightworkers can probably show others "the way" and this is where Daoism may come in handy.

As I said, if you think you've got it, or feel you can render it down to some kind of pshycological 'tool', then you've comepletely missed the point.

[CroMagna]

I see, well this Dao concept is pretty elusive then.

[Jamie]

I wouldn't say it's a concept CroMagna; it may become a concept when I try to explain it to other people, and need to resort to the use of words (like 'Dao').

What are concepts? Perhaps nothing more than mental constructs we use to describe, ourselves, and the universe around and within us.

The thing with Daoism, is that it's about letting all your mental concepts go (good, bad, whatever); really, incuding concepts pertaining to Daoism too.

When you let it all go; it's what remains ...

... and you come to a deeper sense of yourself, more connected to the whole, and you find things just work out, with no real (ego-level) effort on your part.

I couldn't even begin to elucidate as to the essence of Daoism; I've been lucky enough in my life to have met and known of, some really adept men of Dao. My best advice really, is to come to a deeper sense of yourself, rather than finding yourself lost in conceptual thought.

I dunno how applicable or appropriate any of that is to you CroMagna, but I do wish you all the best.

[CroMagna]

why do Taoists and Buddhists try to eradicate the ego? Satanists try to build it up.

[Lanya]

I don't know about Taoism, but from the Buddhist perspective, the ego is the root of suffering. So, no more ego, no more suffering. Well, that's what I've gotten from it, anyway.

What's the Satanist view?

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by CroMagna

why do Taoists and Buddhists try to eradicate the ego? Satanists try to build it up.

Think of a hose-pipe, with water flowing through it. If you try to be stronger, by building up the ego, it's like thickening the hose-pipe. In doing so, you inhibit or restrict the flow of water. From my perspective, the reason not to build up your ego (false superficial self image), is that it makes you weaker, not stronger. It reduces your capacity to feel and to use subtle energies (or water, in my previous analogy) that pervade the entire universe, and flow through all living things.

Again, this has nothing to do with conceptual intellectual contructs or belief; it's a feeling thing.

Check out YouTube - Yoda Dagobah

If you skip forward to about 2:20, it explains it all ...

Be strong! :P