Male/Female Interactions

[Radical]

Is it just me, or does it seem like all male/female interactions have an undertone of sexuality?

This is a serious question btw. I mean I've started to notice it, even with relatives - which is disturbing.

Also, I'm beginning to become paranoid, thanks to PUA's. (You know who you are, lol.)

Anyway, this thought is making me view male/female interaction, as nothing but a superficial farce.

[Michael Chui]

While it's not just you, it's also not all male/female interactions. As animals, we are naturally aware of the sexuality, but as human beings we are aware of more than just sexuality.

Also consider: wouldn't a gay man notice an undertone of sexuality in male/male interactions? Or a lesbian in female/female interactions? And just imagine what someone with a beastiality fetish would see. Sex is everywhere, if you look for it.

I'd suggest reading Freud and finding out some of the things he's talked about from the source. A lof of Freud's thought, which is often dismissed today because he wasn't a terribly good scientist, has thoroughly permeated our society to the point where we don't realize the origin of the norm.

Meet more women. It's not a farce.

[Love]

Yea, I notice sometimes an undercurrent of sexuality, even with large age differences. It's kind of bothersome sometimes.

[Radical]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

I'd suggest reading Freud and finding out some of the things he's talked about from the source. A lof of Freud's thought, which is often dismissed today because he wasn't a terribly good scientist, has thoroughly permeated our society to the point where we don't realize the origin of the norm.

Yes, I'm familiar with Freud, the Oedipus complex etc.

So, did you fancy your mother? (You don't have to answer that if you don't want to, lol.)

[Radical]

I challenge someone to scientifically test out this theory, that all male/female interactions have an undertone of sexuality.

The next time you interact with someone and you think they're flirting or whatever, ask them if they would like to give you oral pleasure?

Then report their responses in this thread.

Obviously this would take balls of steel, so I doubt anyone will take up this challenge.

I've always wondered this though, what would a woman say if I bluntly asked her to give me oral pleasure?

[fballer11]

It can be fun to have that interaction, almost like a refreshing feeling. Does anyone else consiously experience this? Thats why my future wife and I must always flirt for it to work!

[Colm OReilly]

Radical,

I think you're right, all tension or any emotion between a man and a woman is by it's very nature, sexual. But I don't believe that makes all our interactions farcical.

To reduce it to purely biological level, when animals meet they sniff each other to determine health, reproductive ability, familiarity of genes, etc. Humans are doing the same everytime we meet.

Is it farcical? I joke with everyone I meet. In fact, I like to have everyone smiling or laughing while I'm with them. Does that mean it's too superificial? It's just raising the enjoyment level for all concerned.

Lots of love,
Colm

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Radical

I challenge someone to scientifically test out this theory, that all male/female interactions have an undertone of sexuality.

The next time you interact with someone and you think they're flirting or whatever, ask them if they would like to give you oral pleasure?

Then report their responses in this thread.

Obviously this would take balls of steel, so I doubt anyone will take up this challenge.

I've always wondered this though, what would a woman say if I bluntly asked her to give me oral pleasure?

I don't know Rad, why don't you test it out?

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Radical

Yes, I'm familiar with Freud, the Oedipus complex etc.

So, did you fancy your mother? (You don't have to answer that if you don't want to, lol.)

I've noticed a lot of similarities between the women I like and my mother. I've noticed differences, too. Being familiar with the absolute most famous phrase ever to come out of psychoanalysis isn't saying much.

If you understand Freud, explain why you see all male/female interactions as double entrendes as a function of the ego, super-ego, and id.

Originally Posted by Radical

I challenge someone to scientifically test out this theory, that all male/female interactions have an undertone of sexuality.

This includes male/female interactions between gay men and lesbian women? Or are they irrelevant to the question?

[andrew]

No, not all have sexual undertones, but they all have a male/female dynamics in which awareness of sexualy is played.

But I know what you're saying, and you've got the right idea.

[stephencp]

They don't have the undertones if you are interacting with someone whom you don't find sexually attractive, but does that assessment in and of itself give it a sexual "undertone"?

Stephen
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[songwriter]

Yesterday I thought about how do I have to behave with women...
I thought... "exactly like with men" lol...
Now, can you imagine that?... "Hey girl, look at that other girl, she's hot!" or so...
We behave differently with people of the other sex...

[Radical]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

This includes male/female interactions between gay men and lesbian women? Or are they irrelevant to the question?

Yes, the gays and dykes are irrelevent.

For them, it's male/male or female/female interactions, that have sexual connotations.

And if you're bisexual, then it's human interactions full stop. If you don't like humans and prefer a bit of fur, then it's human/animal interactions.

[Radical]

Originally Posted by stephencp

They don't have the undertones if you are interacting with someone whom you don't find sexually attractive, but does that assessment in and of itself give it a sexual "undertone"?

Stephen
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Yes, this would imply a sexual undertone.

I am fast coming to the conclusion, that all male/female interaction (ignoring gays of course) is fundamentally, nothing but a primitive mating ritual.

I can't seem to talk with, or even look at a girl without some sort or sexual undertone. Even female relatives flirt with me.

Perhaps the depressing truth is, that all we humans really care about is sex? And that male/female interaction, is nothing but an ego gratification?

[Christian223]

All creatures are sexual in nature, i mean, you cant avoid to be sexual because all things you do are sexual in a way. The thing is that in todays culture sexuality is related to having intercourse only, and the truth is that its not, sex is a more broad thing in us humans, its in all aspects of our lifes.
Radical, why that would be the depressing truth?, what would be your ideal interaction then?.

[Radical]

Originally Posted by Christian223

Radical, why that would be the depressing truth?

In the words of Derek Zoolander:

"I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to life than being really, really good looking."

[Christian223]

But sexuality does not have to do with beign good looking at all... if you want to over simplify sex by saying its just pleasure then you can do that with any other activity too, since all other activities are there to satisfy needs, they also exist only for pleasure, if just talking causes you pleasure then its no different from sex, if learning new knowledge causes pleasure then its also not different from sex, they have the same end. Read freud, he explanis sexuality very well, not just the edipo myth, its a very broad thing.

[Radical]

Seriously, is there really any point to life other than reproduction?

I know Steve's site is all about finding your purpose, living consciously etc. However, is all that just a distraction, just something to drown out the emptiness we feel, from the realisation that we are all alone in this world? And our only true purpose is to procreate?

[andrew]

Originally Posted by Radical

Seriously, is there really any point to life other than reproduction?
I know Steve's site is all about finding your purpose, living consciously etc. However, is all that just a distraction, just something to drown out the emptiness we feel, from the realisation that we are all alone in this world? And our only true purpose is to procreate?

On a biological and evolutionary level, yes. Survival baby, that's what dating, sex, and most of what life is about. But now since we're at a stage where we don't have to worry about this, a lot of our suvival instincts actually hinder our lives. We're outdated, plain and simple.

[Radical]

Originally Posted by andrew

On a biological and evolutionary level, yes. Survival baby, that's what dating, sex, and most of what life is about. But now since we're at a stage where we don't have to worry about this, a lot of our suvival instincts actually hinder our lives. We're outdated, plain and simple.

We're not outdated, we have just created a world in which we're not designed for.

[andrew]

Originally Posted by Radical

We're not outdated, we have just created a world in which we're not designed for.

And thus that makes us outdated, correct? It's not like we're on a water planet were weren't designed for. We were made for this world, but our society has evolved much faster than our biology over time. So in a sense, you're right, but we're still outdated either way you want to look at it.

[Radical]

Originally Posted by andrew

And thus that makes us outdated, correct? It's not like we're on a water planet were weren't designed for. We were made for this world, but our society has evolved much faster than our biology over time. So in a sense, you're right, but we're still outdated either way you want to look at it.

I guess it's the price you pay for intelligence.

[Hsiang-Lin]

I think this is only a problem so much as the person who espouses the belief holds it.

So if you believe that all interactions must have sexual undertones, then that will indeed be what you perceive.

If you do not even bother with this, then you can explore interactions in more varied ways.

Personally, I don't like to believe that I treat females any differently than males. And even if people say I do, I feel that is more a reflection of who they are than who I am. For example, Buddha is one of my role models and if he was able to transcend sex, then I feel I should be able to do the same emotionally (still doesn't mean I'm not gonna do it!).

I seek to understand truth and WHY we are programmed to love sex so much rather than just thinking, "Well, this is how I feel and so does 99% of the world. Therefore, it must be a part of my nature." Once I understand it, it doesn't mean I can't have sex. It just means I can make a more well-educated choice.

[Radical]

Originally Posted by Hsiang-Lin

I think this is only a problem so much as the person who espouses the belief holds it.

So if you believe that all interactions must have sexual undertones, then that will indeed be what you perceive.

If you do not even bother with this, then you can explore interactions in more varied ways.

Personally, I don't like to believe that I treat females any differently than males. And even if people say I do, I feel that is more a reflection of who they are than who I am. For example, Buddha is one of my role models and if he was able to transcend sex, then I feel I should be able to do the same emotionally (still doesn't mean I'm not gonna do it!).

I seek to understand truth and WHY we are programmed to love sex so much rather than just thinking, "Well, this is how I feel and so does 99% of the world. Therefore, it must be a part of my nature." Once I understand it, it doesn't mean I can't have sex. It just means I can make a more well-educated choice.

Unfortunately, we can't all reach Buddhahood. And who's to say Buddha was right?

[Christian223]

And so, we reach the root of the problem, you belive life has no purpose.
We are a different kind of animal, we can reason, we have intelligence, we dont need to reproduce ourselves if we dont want to, and this is important, desire, desire is what drives us towards anything in life, its what makes us want things, if you find no purpose in life then that means you have no desire?, i dont think so, that conclution you got to is just a reasoning, but its a very bad one dont you think?, why do i have to live to my fullest if ill die someday anyway?, well, i belive in god Jesus, thats my reason to live and to die, but while i live i want to live a happy life, because that why we are here in the world, to be happy, thats the best thing you can get from this world, and since i am guided by Jesus i can reach happyness, have you ever thought on finding purpose in Jesus?.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Radical

Seriously, is there really any point to life other than reproduction?

And our only true purpose is to procreate?

Like everyone else, you get to decide this for yourself. I strongly recommend against it; women tend to slap you for it.

Besides, life has two parts: metabolism and replication. We understand neither of these.

[Radical]

Originally Posted by Christian223

And so, we reach the root of the problem, you belive life has no purpose.
We are a different kind of animal, we can reason, we have intelligence, we dont need to reproduce ourselves if we dont want to, and this is important, desire, desire is what drives us towards anything in life, its what makes us want things, if you find no purpose in life then that means you have no desire?, i dont think so, that conclution you got to is just a reasoning, but its a very bad one dont you think?, why do i have to live to my fullest if ill die someday anyway?, well, i belive in god Jesus, thats my reason to live and to die, but while i live i want to live a happy life, because that why we are here in the world, to be happy, thats the best thing you can get from this world, and since i am guided by Jesus i can reach happyness, have you ever thought on finding purpose in Jesus?.

Yes, I believe life has no real purpose, other than to produce more life. Although, at the end of the day life is what you make it. Also, I don't believe in a supernatural god, so finding purpose in Christianity is not an option.

We are getting a little off topic here. My question is whether a male and female can interact, without a sexual undertone? (Ignoring gays and lesbians.)

[Christian223]

How can you interact without sexual undertone if the only thing you can think about in your life is reproduction? (no offense meant, but i think its true).

Seriously though, i still belive that you should be better if you dont focus on the negative aspects of life, instead put your efforts on finding a purpose, seek happyness, you are just seeking pain right now because of your reasonings.

[Radical]

Originally Posted by Christian223

How can you interact without sexual undertone if the only thing you can think about in your life is reproduction? (no offense meant, but i think its true).

Good point. However, other peoples actions are just reinforcing this view, and making me think it's true for everyone. Flirting seems to be a womans natural form of communication with a man. I think women are just too damn horny, lol. Then again, so am I. Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is why male/female interactions have a sexual undertone. Is it just an ego gratification - to make people feel attractive? And if so, why do you think being attractive is so important to us?

[Alvin]

Rad,

Wear rose-tinted glasses and you start seeing red everywhere.

You're in the process of forming a belief, and the natural process of that is that you being to focus on the 'evidence' that supports your belief.

It's the same whether you started to believe that 'everyone is an ass', or 'everybody I meet wants my hot body', or 'every single soul is a care bear in disguise'.

Not saying it's right or wrong, but how useful is this belief/how could you get it to work for you?