Can people die from a lack of love?

[Jamie]

Or even just die, inside.

People always seem to say, if you want more love, you have to give it first; but what happens when you've given all you've got, you're running on empty, and your needs are still not being met; do you just keep on giving?

Or maybe it's an issue of where you source it?

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Or even just die, inside.

People always seem to say, if you want more love, you have to give it first; but what happens when you've given all you've got, you're running on empty, and your needs are still not being met; do you just keep on giving?

Or maybe it's an issue of where you source it?

I don't think you can get love from outside yourself. The people you think you are receiving love from are only reflecting the love you put out.

I believe the best source of love is yourself. Anything or anyone else is unpredictable and unreliable. They can remove their love or approval and what would you have then if that's all you have to go on?

Just theories.

[Angela]

You are thinking of love as something that you give. If you give too much, then you'll be depleted and diminished. And if you give love, then you should receive love. Like you have a certain amount and if you give it all away, you're screwed. Like love is a commodity.

The good news is: who you are is infinite love. You can't run out, because it's what you're made of. If you can't find or see love, all you have to do is generate it -- that is, to unconceal from yourself the love that you already are.
That may sound a little new-agey, but I assure you it's a very practical thing you can accomplish right here and now, if you are willing. You can't die from lack of love, but you could pine away and die from not being able to experience the love that's where you are.

I think it's possible to die of embarassment, though.

[Alison Jenkins]

If your needs are not being met then it sounds as though you are either not telling the person what you want or you are with the wrong person. Nobody can meet all our needs but if someone isn't meeting the majority of them, then it's time to think about the relationship

Alison

[Honeywith4bees]

Babies can die from lack of love. It's called "failure to thrive". In fact, in Romanian orphanages, three and four year old children are so stunted and deformed that they are dying. They have all been properly cared for nutritionally and medically, but there are simply too few people to hold and nurture them.

[MrNotebook]

just look at baby.

[Playlife]

Is Jamie a baby?

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Honeywith4bees

Babies can die from lack of love. It's called "failure to thrive". In fact, in Romanian orphanages, three and four year old children are so stunted and deformed that they are dying. They have all been properly cared for nutritionally and medically, but there are simply too few people to hold and nurture them.

I was going to mention that, but I think it's very different than what Jaime is talking about. Maybe not though.

I wonder too if just holding them is enough or if there actually has to be love behind it?

[Playlife]

I wonder if that influx of love was constant and reliable, would we still have to generate that love ourselves?

And why not tell a baby to love herself first, then? Is it part of growing up to learn to love yourself first, and not expect love from the outer world?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Playlife

... would we still have to generate that love ourselves?

Have to generate love ourselves?

Do you not consider generating love to be a privilege and a joy?

[Playlife]

Winding up that generator is a bit hard. May have got a little rusty, methinks. (or never been used)

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Playlife

Winding up that generator is a bit hard. May have got a little rusty, methinks. (or never been used)

Maybe it's like getting a massage. When the therapist first gets her hands on you, you moan and groan a little bit. And as she strokes you and kneads you and pulls you and pushes you (which sounds a lot like love, doesn't it? ) your love generating muscles warm up and ease up and start to feel really, really good. Then afterwards you walk around for awhile with a silly grin on your face, saying "ahhhhh. mmmmmmm" and things like that.

Or maybe it's more like Frankenstein when he gets that first big jolt of juice. (those same noises happen.)

[Playlife]

Yes, but this baby thing is still interesting. Are babies(and little children) unable to love, then?

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

Originally Posted by Playlife

Yes, but this baby thing is still interesting. Are babies(and little children) unable to love, then?

Can we start another thread? I find it interesting too and would like to discuss it more.

Not sure, Jaime, is this part of the discussion helpful at all or would you prefer we take it somewhere else?

[Jamie]

Oh yes, everyone, all your comments and insights are very helpful!

Thank you.

In some ways, I think we are like babies; social creatures and in need of affection from each other, to feel that we belong and are accepted within a wider social network.

Maybe it's a seperate issue, to the thing of generating love that Angela refers to, and yes, I agree love does come from within us, is who we are; but to feel loved by others and accepted, I think is a seperate issue, a creature need that we have.

It's like if you take a baby at birth, put it on a desert island, with everything it needs to survive, except the love and affection of other human beings, it will grow in to a very emotionally disrurbed human being.

As for myself, I feel as if I have a distinct lack of acceptance and affection in my own life; and little sense of connection with other people. I accept a lot of this is down to me, it's of my own making; by not accepting others just as I find them ... I am perhaps not accepting myself. It manifests for me, as a hole (deficiency), in my solar plexus region. Which I think is an energy centre assosiated with love?

[Jamie]

I must be really fickle. I feel perfectly OK now.

It defo helps to talk about these things though, and I've also noticed it helps me to help other people, and offer helpful suggestions etc.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Jamie

It manifests for me, as a hole (deficiency), in my solar plexus region. Which I think is an energy centre assosiated with love?

The energy center associated with love is your chest: the heart region. The solar plexus is an energy center associated with power and control. Do you feel powerless? Are you trying (and failing) to control things around you? Looks like you do, since you want people or situations to be different from what they are.

Maybe your chakras are clogged, so that the energy can't flow freely. You can read more about it here. I think doing some regular chakra cleansing could help you

I'm in a hurry now, I'll write about love later. For now I'll just send some to you while working Jamie. If you pay attention you'll feel it

[sonicpunk32]

I think people who dont have much love in their lives turn out to be really bad people, or worse serial killers. It starts out as depression, then anger, then madness.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by sonicpunk32

I think people who dont have much love in their lives turn out to be really bad people, or worse serial killers. It starts out as depression, then anger, then madness.

Outlook for me is good then! That's nice to know..

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

The energy center associated with love is your chest: the heart region. The solar plexus is an energy center associated with power and control. Do you feel powerless? Are you trying (and failing) to control things around you? Looks like you do, since you want people or situations to be different from what they are.

Maybe your chakras are clogged, so that the energy can't flow freely. You can read more about it here. I think doing some regular chakra cleansing could help you

I'm in a hurry now, I'll write about love later. For now I'll just send some to you while working Jamie. If you pay attention you'll feel it

I think it's largely a matter of just looking for what I'm looking for, in the wrong place; namely, outside of myself. That's always going to create problems and inbalance.

The area, I thought it was the Solar Plexus, I may be wrong, is the point where all the ribs meet (or fuse) in the front of the chest, there is a slight indentation there. Is that the Solar Plexus?

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Jamie

The area, I thought it was the Solar Plexus, I may be wrong, is the point where all the ribs meet (or fuse) in the front of the chest, there is a slight indentation there. Is that the Solar Plexus?

Yup! That's the solar plexus. In this slight indentation and the area below, between the rips, above the stomach. If you hit someone there very hard, they faint

If you have a weak feeling there, it's probably connected with a (lack of ) power/control issue. I for instance tend to get some excessive pressure on my solar plexus when someone tries to manipulate me or to pressure me into doing something, or when I simply have a boss telling me what to do... It's like my stomach's going to explode then.

You might want to try Erin's chakra cleansing technique. It's very useful when done regularly. You can also address this weak feeling with EFT. EFT's very efficient for such energy imbalances. I highly recommend it.

Originally Posted by Jamie

People always seem to say, if you want more love, you have to give it first; but what happens when you've given all you've got, you're running on empty, and your needs are still not being met; do you just keep on giving?

I don't see love as a substance that you can give and take and run out of, like water or bread. For me it's a vibrational state, a particularly harmonious and powerful one that feels very good. You can be in that vibrational state regardless of whether other people are being in that vibrational state too or not, or even present in your life or not. You can put yourself in that state at any time, so you can never run out of love.

People "giving" you love are people directing their positive vibrations at you. Because of resonance it helps you vibrate like this too, so you feel happy and better and call it being "loved". But it's you doing it. If you need others to influence your vibrations in order to reach that state, it makes you dependent.

That's just my view on this, for me it's very helpful to see it this way. Does it make any sense to you?

[Jamie]

Yes, makes sense.

Maybe it's a not a love issue, or that's the wrong word.

Tricky, because love (the word) can mean different things to different people, and there are so many facets to our subtle being. I totally get where you're coming from though, and your view of love. I'm not sure what my view of love is (interesting to articulate though), maybe it's like the natural unforced eminations of my pure being. I wouldn't say love *IS* me; but what the hell, it's just symantics, and what you, me, we all are, is surely behond the crudity of words..


Anyhooo..

I believe it's more like energy loss; and it's been an ongoing issue for me (maybe it's something we all do to a degree), placing my attention out there, seeking to get emotional nourishment from other people. Rather than finding and connecting with an internal source of nourishment, within me.

I've just had a major incident with the gas man which has really had me stressing ...

I've come to a conclusion though; it's way more important how you treat other people (your own honesty and integrity), than how they treat you. One reflects your own value, the other reflects only theirs.



EDIT: Though of course, it's never fun to have the feeling you're being ripped off.