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Old 05-01-2008, 08:00 PM
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Default You're right, that was a very broad generalization...

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That's a bit of an overstatement. I think you do yourself and the world a disservice by believing that.

I for one take care to fix my relationships if needed, but I do recognize that not everything that is broken can be fixed. Most of the people I know feel the same way.
I'll change that statement to MOST people don't want to fix their relationships. You are right, I definitely should not say NO ONE. There are still quite a few people that do hang in there to make things better, I apologize if that came off sounding offensive, I didn't mean to offend you or anyone.

But... (you knew it was coming...)
I'll hold you to your statement as well:

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but I do recognize that not everything that is broken can be fixed. Most of the people I know feel the same way.
Isn't that a belief that restricts your reality?
Why can't everything be fixed?
If you can break something, logic almost certainly dictates there must be a way to fix it. For every action, an opposite and equal reaction. Just because the people involved in what's broken don't have the skills or knowledge to fix it doesn't mean that it can't be fixed, it means that those involved don't have the resources (knowledge, skills, understanding, trust, compassion, patience, etc.) available to them to fix what is broken.

Whatever is whole and becomes broken can become whole again. There is no law that states that whatever is broken cannot be fixed. That is just a limit we place on ourselves, a limited perception of reality that limits our abilities in the world we live in.
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Isn't that a belief that restricts your reality?
No, it is a belief that conforms to reality.

If a glass breaks, you can glue it back together but you cannot make it whole again. Not even if you melt all the pieces and blow a new glass out of the molten mass, will you ever get back to the exact unscathed original.

What is broken may be repaired, but it cannot be made whole again.

You cannot undo what is done. If your wife leaves you because you cheated on her, you cannot un-cheat to save the relationship.
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Old 05-02-2008, 05:55 AM
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But, again, you are totally free to change your way of being to something that inspires you more.
Are you willing to speculate about what that inspiring new way of being might be?
Most definitely!
Honestly, I have known this girl way too long and I care for her way too much to let her go. I might not be the perfect guy for her, but I'm willing to change myself to become one. I just might need some time to work on it, but from the help from all of your advices I think I'll manage

Thank you everybody!!!

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Sometimes, the littlest thing can really change a person. For instance, her not seeming to care about how your day went. It could be that she really doesn't care, or it could be that this is a manifestation of how some of the problems, issues, lack of some needs of her own being met, etc... is showing. Something is going on with her. It is obvious. Something is going on with you. It is obvious.
kboleski, I have to admit that you might be right...I am going through mixed emotions towards her and I'm afraid that I might end up in the wrong direction... And I'm pretty sure that there is something going on with her because she doesn't seem too happy with me.

The problem with myself is that this is my first real relationship I ever had. Most of my relationships would only last no more than a month, so I never had the chance to "discuss" these types of issue with any partner. Sometimes when I try to explain what's going on my emotion takes over and I become either frustrated or angry. I need to learn how to think logically and set aside my emotions....but I can't for some reason... How can or how do I start these types of discussion with her? Is there a technique or something I should know on how to set aside my emotions?


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Write each idea down as you read it. Angela gave you at least 10. ROBC did too. Hopefully, I gave you some too.

There are a million ways to handle this, I have found writing them and breaking them down so they stare me in the face is a profound way. I hope it works for you.
I will try this tonight
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You cannot undo what is done. If your wife leaves you because you cheated on her, you cannot un-cheat to save the relationship.
good point...
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Good morning lagerk,
I have been out of town and just now had the time to sit down to read my e-mail. I am really glad that I was able to give you something inspiring. Angela and ROBC are really amazing. They really make me think too. A couple of things: Make sure you don't "change" into someone that is not going to be an authentic you. The advice and the ideas written in these posts are to inspire you to be a better man. If you ever really understand just a fraction of all that has been written, you will be much better for it. Your having an understanding how other people feel and what they need will help you in EVERY relationship, ie, friends, family, co-workers, your girlfriend, your wife, your children. Understanding and caring ENOUGH to do whatever it takes to make it better is the key and it is that sacrifice I was talking about. By the way, my "whatever it takes" comment doesn't mean to do things that are detrimental for you. Just putting everything you have into it if you know that you are a part of it, or that you are the one that can help or make it better.
By the way, the "wrong direction" you mentioned would be if you were closed emotionally. Being open, willing to listen to her issues, being willing to discuss yours. Being understanding, not angry when you don't like what you hear. Understanding and inspired to make the change for the right reasons.
It will take you a while to "learn" how to have discussions on the issues. As far as a technique or way of starting issue conversations, that is hard to say. You have to be respectful. Try to be understanding, she might not have meant any harm. Nevertheless, if you are not happy with something or have been hurt, you have the right to discuss it. Never discuss things when you are angry - only when you have calmed down. I try (I said try) to approach these discussions in an understanding, he only meant the best, give him the benefit of the doubt mentality. I "try" to remain calm and understanding so I get the facts. If I was correct in thinking that it was unintentional, then I will explain my feelings on the subject. If I learn that it was intentional for what ever reason, I explain my feelings. That doesn't mean we don't have arguments, but even then you have to be understanding and respectful of eachother. There is a reason why she does anything she does. It it just figuring out what it is, any part you may have had in it to make her respond the way she did, what could be going on with her that makes her the way she is. There is just so much to realize. You can't be responsible for her happiness. You can add to her happiness. Ditto for her, she can't be responsible for your happiness. That is something you earn for yourself. Making sure you live a life with integrity, having a good work ethic, being willing to work hard at anything to accomplish a goal, helping others, these are just a few of the main things that will give you self respect and make you happy at the end of the day. You can add to her happiness by being understanding, being unconditionally accepting of her, being there for her, raising her up when she needs it, (but not always holding her up), treating her with respect, picking up after yourself, helping around the house just because you see something needs to be done, etc... I know these last two seem little, but they show a woman that you really care and are willing to do what you need to do. We are emotional beings, so it is very difficult to put our emotions aside. She might not be easy to discuss anything with, so that will make it almost impossible to keep your cool. I have to say here that she has to be willing to learn all the same things you are trying to learn on how to make relationships work. You can't do all the work. If she isn't putting her effort into learning these different things, and if she isn't inspired to make the same changes to become a better person and mate, then, I am convinced that the relationship between you won't last. Both of you have to be on the same page about what it takes to make a relationship work. You both have to be willing to sacrifice for the other. You both have to have the "I will do whatever it takes" mentality. Don't underestimate the importance of that. Don't ever accept anything less. If you do, you will not have a mate that will give you what you need. You will be miserably unhappy and unfulfilled. You don't want to be the only one in the relationship willing to sacrifice and to work hard at meeting the others needs. In time, you will learn to control your emotions. This stuff is hard! Did you ever start your list? How is it going? This is gettin' way to long, so I will close for now. Have a great day!
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:00 AM
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I do sit down with her and try to brainstorm TOGETHER on what we should do. The best thing she can come up with is "I don't know!"

How can I explore her if her answer is "I don't know?" If I try to go deep into the conversation on what we can do, at times, she would respond "Why are you asking me so much questions?" Is she expecting me to figure out what she likes and what she doesn't?

Not just activities but this goes with dinner as well. When I suggest a restaurant to go to she would be hesitant to go because of my choice. When I ask her where she would like to eat she would respond "I don't know!"

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oh my god , i am so happy i read that it seems like you are talking about me, unfortunately i have this problem like ur GF - specially this dinner situation- so many times i just have "i dont know " as an answer. i just recognized how much it may be irritating to my partner. anyways i would like to say this doesnt mean she needs a parent and she is not a good partner.
As angela advised i would highly recommend talking to eachother but not in the form of a complain dont tell her i am not satisfied or unfulfilled just figure out a way to make your thoughts reach her without hurting her i would also recommend try to give more to your relationship she may have needs unfulfilled as well. i dont know the exact situation so i cant judge that you are not doing your best already.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:48 AM
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Did you ever start your list? How is it going?
It's really hard to put my all into this relationship because -as you said before- we need to be on the same page on this relationship, but I feel as if she's not on the same page as I am.

But I'm still working on them

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just figure out a way to make your thoughts reach her without hurting her i would also recommend try to give more to your relationship she may have needs unfulfilled as well.
I would have to put more thought into what I say to her because majority of the "discussions" I have with her seems to only hurt her even more.
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