Manipulative females

[crazlunatic]

I had a deep conversation with a friend today and we had an interesting convo going on about how a lot of girls are actually manipulative into trying to get you to do something.

I was somewhat shocked by this because I only assumed there were the usual psychology puppet masters, but what she told me is that a large large percentile of girls actually do it.

A guy who happened to walk by told us a story of how a girl put her hand on his lap to get a pencil. Ok that's unrelated...

Anyway what do you guys think about this. We both agreed that many guys often fall for this "flirtiness" and are fools. I admit as well.

[NotesMaeve]

True. I once took my shirt off and yelled, "Hey, Slamhot, look at these!" to get laid. Really, we manipulative females are a shameless breed. It's out of control.

[Zukin]

Sometimes manipulation is just boundary testing to see if you will actually do what the other person wants you to do, or if you will just laugh it off and ignore them.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by crazlunatic

... a story of how a girl put her hand on his lap to get a pencil.

Didn't the guy get the better end of the deal? Especially if you're using "pencil" as a coy symbol.

Signed,
The Puppet Mistress

[NotesMaeve]

I personally don't settle for anything thinner than a Marks a Lot.

[Christian223]

I once eated/bited a pepper when i was a child because of manipulative females so i learned my lesson early
Its a fact, but not all do it, thank God (men do this too, by the way). Nobody likes to be controled/manipulated, but many endure this in order to keep the other manipulative person happy, thinking that it will make them happy, but this is un-healthy for both, its a vicious cicle of addictive unhappyness, so just like in all other areas of your life you have to be in control of yourself, so that beign manipulative is their problem, not yours. I agree with Zukin tough.

[Rose of Cairo]

lol

yes, it's out of control indeed... Even in this forum, we're practicing under the direction of the Puppet Mistress how to manipulate poor guys into asking us out... it's the female human nature you know! I even tell my bf "I make coffee for you if you give me a foot massage" Go figure!

[Brutha]

The aim of every communication is to get someone to do something. More or less, that's the definition of manipulation.

There isn't anything bad about it.

On the other hand it is bad when your "ends" are bad.

[L_G]

Originally Posted by Brutha

The aim of every communication is to get someone to do something. More or less, that's the definition of manipulation.

There isn't anything bad about it.

On the other hand it is bad when your "ends" are bad.

Can't agree any more!

[Max0r]

Depends on our workin definition of manipulation.

My definition for this thread's purpose of manipulation: Influencing someone to do something they do not want to do.

Now, lifting up your shirt and getting laid... that I would call "persuasion."

Are most women manipulative bitches? **** yes. And most men are too. In different ways of course. **** gets predatory over self-centered b.s.

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Brutha

The aim of every communication is to get someone to do something. More or less, that's the definition of manipulation.

There isn't anything bad about it.

B.S. If the girl in the example given here wanted that guy's pencil, she has the choice of asking him if she can have or borrow his pencil. That's what you do when you need or want something, you ask.

[Max0r]

AHHHH you found me!!!!!!!!

[JSampsoN82]

Maybe the girl in the example is interested in the guy, perhaps she has a compartment full of pencils in her book bag. Needing the pencil was an excuse to touch his leg, touching his leg was a hint to ask her out? It could happen lol

[Billy]

If I get a hand on my lap for parting with my pencil then what will I get for my erasor?....I know, I'm totally shameless

[Mayo]

Well most things humans do are manipulative behavior, animals have it in their breeding season and so do we...

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[LuckyBuffie]

If getting a guy to give her a pencil by touching his lap was manipulative then I think anyone who agrees is naive. WTF!!? Why should you have to be manipulated into giving a girl a pencil, are we relly talking about a pencil? Im confused

[LuckyBuffie]

Originally Posted by Billy

If I get a hand on my lap for parting with my pencil then what will I get for my erasor?....I know, I'm totally shameless

Well a super genuis maniputlative girl might see that as an oppurtunity to to brush your thigh and ask for your trapper keeper too! All the most cunning girls are stocked up on school supplies.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by LuckyBuffie

Well a super genuis maniputlative girl might see that as an oppurtunity to to brush your thigh and ask for your trapper keeper too! All the most cunning girls are stocked up on school supplies.

Aha, so its a conspiracy involving beautiful and cunning women working in tandem with stationary suppliers, if only we had known.

[ZHereford]

Originally Posted by crazlunatic

Anyway what do you guys think about this. We both agreed that many guys often fall for this "flirtiness" and are fools. I admit as well.

Generally speaking, women tend to use their wiles much more than men do. Perhaps it's because men are physically stronger than women and historically speaking, in the past it was a man's world so women used whatever tactics they could to get what they wanted.

[cdn2wheeler]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

Perhaps it's because men are physically stronger than women and historically speaking, in the past it was a man's world so women used whatever tactics they could to get what they wanted.

The myth of "it's a man's world" is just that: a myth.

Ask any male soldier or businessman or politician why he works so hard, risking an untimely demise from a bullet or a massive coronary. He'll point to a photo of his wife and kids. He's doing what he does for them, whether the battle takes place in the boardroom or on some foreign field.

[kulai]

What happened to male dominance? Don't be manipulated by women. manipulate them instead.

Power To Live

[cdn2wheeler]

Originally Posted by kulai

What happened to male dominance?

No such thing. Never existed. Women are blessed - or cursed, depending on your perspective - of being the ones who decide which men get their genetic material passed on. If you don't provide whatever it is the woman needs at the time she needs it, she'll find someone else who will. Male dominance? No chance.

[JimOfferman]

I don't mind being, uhm, manipulated by a woman

[Livgivare]

You should all hear the Swedish song "Kvinnor är smartare" it is so funny! And this topic could use a themesong...haha...

Love Leelene

[crazlunatic]

Well the guy could've been lazy and said, no I don't have any pencils. But I guess he was "turned on"? by the girl's touch and gave her the pencil...

Mainpulative as in doing what someone wants you to do good or bad. I'm a very bad victim of this...

[Sarek@Vulcan]

Sure they are manipulative. One of my ex-girlfriends wanted to break up with me but wanted to set it up like it was my fault so she used her friend to call me. So my ex-girlfriend's girl friend told me she got my number at one party and that she likes me and asked me if we can meet.

I had a feeling something strange and smelly is going on here so i told her i already have a girlfriend. About a month later I broke with her for another reason and a few months later I found out that she really did try to set me up so she can brake up with me and blame me like it is my fault. She was really a bitch. And a clever one too (She had IQ so high she is in Mensa).

[Ilya]

This is the excuse PUAs use to justify their manipulation techniques - "they started it first!"
But I agree with Bruta's definition and position. Manipulation is an effective way of achieving one's goals. It is natural that women use their charm to to do so.

What is sad, though, is that men are so easily motivated (manipulated) by the slightest sexual hints. There is clearly a widespread belief that sex is scarce and hard to get.

It's not that men do favors for a manipulative woman because they like her. It's because they are ready to do favors for any woman that is favorable to them. And that is a very weak position for any negotiations. And when they realize that they are not getting what they hoped for, all this resentment and bashing of manipulative women starts.

Well, if such men wouldn't accept flirt as a currency it will be much harder for women to get something from them. That is exactly what PUAs do. They turn the scarcity belief around and become a scarce resource themselves.

Unfortunately that gives the women to call such men manipulative.

And this can really go on forever, unless we abandon the scarcity thinking altogether and would enter the relationships with the intention to give first and get later.

[ella]

I agree Alya. Where there is demand, it is rather unfair to expect anyone to constantly fight to not to provide the supply

What's PUA by the way?

[JimOfferman]

It's short for Pick-Up Artist.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by crazlunatic

Anyway what do you guys think about this.

I actually prefer a woman uses certain female manipulative ways then straight ask me "go do this".

For example, I'd rather a woman go something like "I'm so tired, but I need to take out the trash", so I can go and say "I'll do it for you" and feel like a mini-hero for volunteering to help her out and be rewarded by her smile of appreciation.

If she instead said "Hey I'm too tired to take out the trash, I need you to take it out", then I'll feel more like I'm being imposed upon and will probably start resenting it after numerous times.