Question about voices during meditation

[CFPurpose]

Originally Posted by Aiox

The gist of the text was simply not all spirits exist for your benefit. As they were in life, so many are after life. Just because they are now on that side of the veil does not mean they are all benevolent and angelic.

So true this is. Let me chime in with Aiox here. While in meditation, spirits can contact you in many different ways, not only through the voices we all speak of on this thread but by simply showing their presence. (This is the way I am more familiar with them through meditation) You will feel them. In the event you do; you can simply address the entity and ask their reasoning. If you cannot hear a response, you can then say, "You cannot communicate with me unless you are here with good intent and only with my best interest, safety and spiritual ascent in mind." If they have ulterior motive; by Law, (yes, they have laws they must abide by too), they will turn and leave you be.

-- Always surround yourself with "White Light" before entering any meditation. Make sure to learn how to protect yourself and ground yourself before venturing off on your journeys.

Originally Posted by Aiox

>>Doubtless it is perilous for such to meddle, more especially if their interest be only in the marvelous, to gratify an idle curiosity, or to solace their own vanity.

**I think their point was if you are to pursue communication, to do so with the proper intent, not to gratify one's ego or perform tricks.

Once again I agree with Aiox here. Have fun delving into your curiosity but keep in mind, this is all reality, and most is extremely rewarding but with all things, there comes caution and you must be cautious when dealing with other realms and the spirit world. You wouldn't venture onto an un-charted island without some sort of protection for yourself would you? I sure wouldn't.



Love and light! Have fun!

-- crissy

[Lallymac]

Originally Posted by CFPurpose

-- Always surround yourself with "White Light" before entering any meditation. Make sure to learn how to protect yourself and ground yourself before venturing off on your journeys.

I absolutely agree with you Crissy. Protection, protection. Don't go anywhere without your psychic condom . Imagine yourself in a bubble of white light. Breathe in white light and feel it gradually fill your whole body. Then surround yourself with it, filling the whole bubble with white light. Do it when you're looking at auras, healing, sensing, feeling energy and you will notice the difference in the experiences you have.
Lallymac

[stellabeam]

I was at a party. Laughing my head off with a woman I barely knew. Suddenly she stopped laughing and said intensly "Do you believe in spirits?" I was amazed at the way she stopped in the middle of laughing and asked me this random question.
What she said after that flabbergasted me. She had a message for me which she had been carrying around in her wallet for months on the off chance she would run in to me again.
We had met briefly at a previous party. Later, she had been watching me across the crowded room when she was thrown back against the wall with the intensity of a voice in her head. She said she had often heard this voice, but never for someone else before.
We went to her car and she showed me the message. 2 lines scibbled in pencil. It was so helpful at the time and has been many times since then. I am very grateful for the spirit who gave me this guidence. The message was "Waiting to be rescued is holding you back. Be willing to look at your resistance to change"

[CFPurpose]

Originally Posted by Lallymac

Protection, protection. Don't go anywhere without your psychic condom .
Lallymac

"psychic condom." LMAO. How funny Lally.


And to Stella. That was a very intense message she gave you. Just keep in mind that the message could have came from Spirit or simply from her. If the message hit you right at home, then that is all that matters and I'm happy you have received something that is acting as a guide in your present life.

[Hierophant]

Thanks for this very informative thread.

I was raised Catholic, and promptly rejected all the church's teachings after my confirmation ceremony. I rebelled for years, and in college, decided that God was an invention which was a response to the fear of death, and as a way to keep people in line in society. I reasoned that if you needed a God, you should try worshipping every particle in the universe. A confirmed (and somewhat confrontational and smug) atheist, I went on my way.

Once, I overdosed on cold medicine, and going to sleep, heard a LOUD clamorous cacophany of voices in my head: people who were still alive, some deceased, many strangers, seemingly hundreds piled on top of each other, here and there an intelligible word rising and falling out of the din. I was freaked. I told that story as a drug trip, not a spiritual experience.

Seven years later, in 2000, I was studying chi gung. It was a weekend, and I lived in the Blue Ridge mountains of western North Carolina. For fun, I trail-ran a mountain pathway to a large rocky cliff. The vista was amazing, and 100% natural - no cars, no roads, no houses, no other hikers, nothing. As I relaxed and wandered the large cliffs, I decided to practice my chi gung. Something strange happened. I began to see bands of white energy radiating off the distant mountain ridges. (In class, I had seen energy in the room, and around people, but as soon as I became mindful of it, it would vanish.) This persisted. I was in a beautiful place out in the country, in state of concentration, relaxation, presence in the moment, and had no cares in the world. Suddenly, I heard a voice that wasn't coming from air moving my tympanic membrane.

"Say thank you."

I was surprised. I was dismissive. Then I was worried. It repeated itself, steadily, calmly, with focus and intent. Finally, I opened my mouth, and said Thank you.

"Say thank you, God."

I did. At this point, I had tears coming down my cheeks and my whole body was filled with radiant energy. The landscape itself was singing to me, and the vibrant, verdant colors of the mountains were more intense than they had been.

Then, the voice asked me to thank someone whose name I will not repeat. It wasn't evil, but it did then - and does now - go against my personal code of beliefs. It was dogmatic. I think in retrospect, and especially reading this forum, this third statement was possibly uttered by a different voice, maybe a trickster, just trying to take advantage of my "awakening." Or, it could have just been a spirit who had their own highly dogmatic beliefs in life, and carried those to the other side. Or, it was some vestigial circuit from my ancestors. Whatever it was, I couldn't handle it. I tried to go back to the previous voice without allowing the strange dissonance which had crept in, but the experience had ended. It lasted about a minute, but time was not sensed. As I relaxed, I realized I could no longer deny the existence of God. At the same time, I would advise anyone to be an "atheist without barriers to What Is Possible," so that they may approach spirituality with a clean slate. People should really only trust their own experiences with spirituality until they grow into an understanding and a sophistication that lets them share with others. Anything else is dogma, teachings, and thus, without experience, lies.

Since then, I have learned a great deal about physical energetics, eastern energetic models and principals, and have met "seers" who I am certain had high sense perception and know others' thoughts.

I look forward to learning to meditate and possibly accessing this realm of the unconscious where our spirits mix with others - of course, fully protected, as others suggested.

Thanks to all here.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

A word of warning: The goal of meditation is not meant to be a way to contact spirits, talk to God or anything related to that. It can happen and certainly does, but that is not the goal of meditation. The Buddha would have considered such phenomenon to be unimportant, irrelevant and not worth giving acknowledgement. They are distractions from the practice of meditation, designed to give temporary highs and remove you from your state of meditative contemplation and silence. They are ultimately products of the mind and probably products of your subconscious and childhood upbringing. When a voice compels you to speak, acknowledge the voice and do no action. It is just another thought, like any other. Let it pass by as you would any other thought.

Of course, you could roll with it too and talk to God all day. Choice is yours. Just be aware that what you are doing is not meditation proper and is not the goal of meditation.

[Mynder]

So, meditation is now reduced to what the Buddha has taught? There do not exist other forms of meditation that are equally valid, although maybe differing in goals? What about guided meditations?

I strongly disagree with this kind of closed-mind thinking that accepts only one thing as the "true way".

Originally Posted by KaleidoskopicVision

A word of warning: The goal of meditation is not meant to be a way to contact spirits, talk to God or anything related to that. It can happen and certainly does, but that is not the goal of meditation. The Buddha would have considered such phenomenon to be unimportant, irrelevant and not worth giving acknowledgement. They are distractions from the practice of meditation, designed to give temporary highs and remove you from your state of meditative contemplation and silence. They are ultimately products of the mind and probably products of your subconscious and childhood upbringing. When a voice compels you to speak, acknowledge the voice and do no action. It is just another thought, like any other. Let it pass by as you would any other thought.

Of course, you could roll with it too and talk to God all day. Choice is yours. Just be aware that what you are doing is not meditation proper and is not the goal of meditation.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by Mynder

So, meditation is now reduced to what the Buddha has taught? There do not exist other forms of meditation that are equally valid, although maybe differing in goals? What about guided meditations?

I strongly disagree with this kind of closed-mind thinking that accepts only one thing as the "true way".

I didn't say that, Mynder. I was using the Buddha's teachings as a reference for what meditation is not confined to. I can't say what the goal of meditation is because it is beyond words and concepts. Liberation is a good word, but doesn't really hit the mark. I did say that you could use meditation to contact spirits and talk to your God or whatever, but that is not what meditation ultimately leads to. They're side effects. Or bonuses if you choose to see it that way. This is not close minded at all, rather it is assuring that meditation does not become limited to being something that is 'spiritual'. It can produce spiritual experiences, yes. The rabbit hole goes much deeper though.

Also I'm kind of taken aback that someone would read that and say "this guy's close minded". Maybe I didn't word it well, but I'd think from reading my other postings you'd get the sense that I am not that kind of person by any means. Perhaps I'm missing something?

[Mynder]

I was not referring to you as a person in general (and yes, I know you're anything but close-minded), but to this piece in particular:

Just be aware that what you are doing is not meditation proper and is not the goal of meditation.

And that IS a bit close-minded, don't you think? Because it states "there is one proper way, and all others aren't proper".

[KaleidoskopicVision]

Originally Posted by Mynder

I was not referring to you as a person in general (and yes, I know you're anything but close-minded), but to this piece in particular:



And that IS a bit close-minded, don't you think? Because it states "there is one proper way, and all others aren't proper".

Yeah actually that comes off as very close minded. Wow. What was I thinking?

The intent behind the post was notifying the OP that what they experienced wasn't necessarily an absolute kind of thing and to keep meditating because there is probably much more to what happened. But I did not say it like that at all.

Sorry OP.

[Hierophant]

Sure, there are many meditation traditions, and many reasons to do it. The Buddhist approach aims to shut down the majority of the left hemisphere and just surf the right brain: be in the now without the you. Sat-chit-ananda is its own drug. It is one of stasis, which has done nothing to destroy my sense of attachment. I consider the variegated astral plane far more fascinating, as I see it full of information. In my impression, it is more potentially rewarding for my own understanding of what, if anything, survives death. Because of my life experiences, I "believe" it is external to me, because I have experienced first- and second-hand its independence from my willingness to "believe" in it, as certainly (if not as clearly) as any physical phenomenon.

[Cuddles444]

I like what you have written here. Rings of truth to me. Good on you!

[Cuddles444]

From experience I suggest keep meditating - don't be too distracted; good meditation will give you the Right answer to these voices. May I ask what you meditate on?