Doubt about soul, someone convince me

[DaveTyler]

My vision of how we are built up is like this

Spirit(consciousness equal to us all) can't be altered at all.
Soul/Mind (personality, inner morals, thoughts and memories)
Brain (controlls the rest of the physical body)
Body

If soul exist, it must be what travels from death to spiritrealm and then reincarnates.
Well, here is what I don't get with this concept:

If pastliferegression is true, this states that memories are saved in the soul, otherwise it wouldnt be possible to remember pastlives.
Well, then, what about people who has got their brains smashed in and no longer remember anything?
What about people with split personality? noone can have 2 souls in them, if that was true you would be BORN split personality that does not happen, this often developes in childhood after trauma and can be cured by talk therapy. So its like how can personality come from the soul?
Also if soul exist, how can one lose it like everyone says? It doesnt make sense, you ARE your soul, if you lost your soul, the body would die and you would go with the soul cause you ARE the soul

[Akashic_Librarian]

Absolutely. No argument here Dave


I think though that you are getting confused with Psychological disoprders and the SOul. The Soul is not affected by the brain. The Mind is in fact a computer, thats all it is. It can get confused and lose memories. But Soul memories are not stored in the brain, they are in the soul. Your personality is partly down to genetics, partly to social conditioning and partly to the soul in my opinion.

Like those Killers who where abused as children, brought up in a rough neighbourhood etc...etc... except they have a pet cat whom they love...how can you find any correlation in that behaviour? Which is why I think the Mind personality and the Soul personality are very different indeed.

And as such Bi-Polar, ADHD, Schizophrenia etc...etc...have nothing to do with the soul at all

[AndreaHess]

Ummm ... actually, mental disorders can have a lot to do with the state of the Soul. The assumption that only one Soul animates one body is actually false - a condition called "Soul shifting" can arise from time to time. Usually this is a negative situation, in which the original Soul meant for the body gets pushed aside by a negative Soul that decides to take over. Often there is a trigger of extreme emotional distress, or drug abuse or alcoholism. I see it (and clear it) in my practice all the time.

The Soul memories are stored in the Soul's Akashic Record. But Soul situations are mirrored as psychologic problems quite frequently. You cannot separate these issues. As above, so below. The Soul shapes our incarnation very significantly - it is the driving force. Soul-level issues are manifested at the mental, emotional and physical level.

Blessings,
Andrea
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[Ijin Kaion]

there is more to it then just that.
disorders of the body can come from the brain.
disorders of the body can come through energy, manipulated and able to do so.
but when you look at soul then you`ll see that soul is not the only past life state of your body or personality.

worst thing is that your bare personality becomes splitted due to your emotions building up personalities of their own.
a bit like you said andrea, but this state of happening is a very unpleasant one, since from all of your emotions can come personalities and then ofcourse the ever so populair schizophrenia cannot be excluded from the list of possible medical things that can happen to you.

shizo`s are often mistaken for people of whom their emotions formed a personality on their own through their own sufficiency of what they are able to do.

your anger can take over with it`s anger as it`s fuel, making you go berserk and smash anything around you.
when a personality made by the emotions takes over, the soul is not pushed aside so another can take over, but the emotion taking over claim rights of the soul of the entity that makes up the whole being.

ok that reads a bit difficultand sounds a bit off, but for most of the schizo cases this is the real case.

as for the soul, the soul is a vessel of your being, same as your other bodies.
they are your being proving your existance in the universe, a sort of card to get in line and live.

the soul is a versitile form of energy that has the capacity to store data and energy of the being supposed to become in existance.
then the soul forms to the being it is attached to in order to even be alive.

that`s the soul, a sort of data card you should be very carefull with, even though it`s a very important thing, the soul is but one of the pieces that makes up a human, or any other entity for that matter.

abayo^_^

[freedom]

In the Kaballah, it is said that in the beginning God denied the light of his(neutral) being and the light shattered - these shards were sent out forming themselves into soul, or many souls for that matter.

Kaballah therefore is a study of the self or the soul, trying to return to its original state, which is, oneness with the Divine.

In the case of schizophrenia, It is only a word which science uses to describe the state. it knows no other way of explaining of how someone hears voices.

I believe schizophrenic people are no other than very gifted psychics, they are extrovert through expression. They are extremely empathic, where they feel everyone and everything thus they are unable to destinquish self, since they are not self to begin with.
If we are all parts of God then we are all parts of one soul, this one, is learning through us, we report back to the Master.
If you believe in nothing then, that is ok, because that is what your part of God is trying to contemplate!

[Brutha]

If pastliferegression is true, this states that memories are saved in the soul, otherwise it wouldnt be possible to remember pastlives.

You can remember a whole lot of events that have not taken place. The process of remembering something (especially under hypnosis) is no proof that it happend.

[Old Soul]

I always thought of "soul" as your voice , your "song" your essense of being

ie) if your soul is sick, your spirit and mind suffer type of thing

[Old Soul]

The Mind is in fact a computer, thats all it is.

I agree, however do you think there is such a thing as a "sick soul"?

[freedom]

I don't think there is such a thing as a sick soul, in fact sickness is only a perception, it is just vibration that is all. How you perceive pain, and pleasure is up to you, you can learn to love pain, as well as learning to hate pleasure. the soul is constantly in flux as it is learning new things. this is what i think anyway

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

My vision of how we are built up is like this

Spirit(consciousness equal to us all) can't be altered at all.
Soul/Mind (personality, inner morals, thoughts and memories)
Brain (controlls the rest of the physical body)
Body

If soul exist, it must be what travels from death to spiritrealm and then reincarnates.
Well, here is what I don't get with this concept:

If pastliferegression is true, this states that memories are saved in the soul, otherwise it wouldnt be possible to remember pastlives.
Well, then, what about people who has got their brains smashed in and no longer remember anything?
What about people with split personality? noone can have 2 souls in them, if that was true you would be BORN split personality that does not happen, this often developes in childhood after trauma and can be cured by talk therapy. So its like how can personality come from the soul?
Also if soul exist, how can one lose it like everyone says? It doesnt make sense, you ARE your soul, if you lost your soul, the body would die and you would go with the soul cause you ARE the soul

Soul, Mind, Spirit, Consciousness, Intelligence. These words all mean the same to me. I don't have a nifty metaphysical dictionary to separate and delineate the fine nuances in the ethereal part of us, but I do feel like I have an intuitive understanding of that source you allude to. From my perspective, the spirit has opposite characteristics of this world. This world is coarse, objectifiable, and quantifiable. The spirit is not. The closer you get to mind, the less you see divisions. There is such a thing as a collective unconscious mind, for example. To say that 2 souls cannot inhabit the same body is to completely bypass the nature of the soul altogether. You see, location is part of the illusion. The soul is not in the body, the body is in the soul. What we identify as a "soul inhabiting a body" is more like a radio tuning into the station of your personality.

For example, did you know that your essential essence, or "soul pattern" cannot incarnate into a specific body unless it matches the soul in frequency resonance vibration? The brain works with electromagnetism -- the soul works with electromagnetism. The brain is a receiver, and it takes a certain kind of receiver to tune into a certain soul. What do you think goes on with channeling? The soul doesn't necessarily leave the body to make way for another soul in such a scenario. What happens (most of the time) is the channeler simply alters their frequency enough to maintain interaction with the brain, yet also pick up on a complimentary frequency of a different "radio station/personality".

Memory patterns are partially stored in the brain, but a more complete memory pattern is formed in consciousness which has no limit for how much mind image can be stored.

Schizophrenia can happen for a variety of reasons, trauma being one of them as you mentioned. Severe trauma to the brain or the mind can make it very difficult for your frequency to communicate with your host body, and vice versa. If enough psychological trauma occurs the shoe that you were fitted for pre-incarnation (the body), could potentially fit no longer, or maybe not fit as well in any case. This could cause all sorts of problems, one being lack of restraint of bodily impulses.

Also, in my opinion, it is quite possible for a body to remain alive with no soul present. The body is machinery, and can function without consciousness, though it rarely does simply because there is ALWAYS an inummerable amount of souls waiting to incarnate.

Cheers,
Anagogy

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Old Soul

I always thought of "soul" as your voice , your "song" your essense of being

ie) if your soul is sick, your spirit and mind suffer type of thing

Yeh, I think that's right OS.
If you think of all the great blues singers, who from the depths of their soul sang about pain and suffering, plus opera, etc. It's part of the human condition. It's a lot better than superficial, one hit wonders!

[DaveTyler]

I think I got it after commin back from a long journey into delusionland.

Conscioussness personality memories thoughts creativity ego = brain

[Old Soul]

Yeh, I think that's right OS.
If you think of all the great blues singers, who from the depths of their soul sang about pain and suffering, plus opera, etc. It's part of the human condition. It's a lot better than superficial, one hit wonders!

yes exactly , while the song does come from the soul, you still need spirit to want to sing it:-) the body/ vessel encases the package

[Atma]

Spirit(consciousness equal to us all) can't be altered at all.
Soul/Mind (personality, inner morals, thoughts and memories)
Brain (controlls the rest of the physical body)
Body

First let me show the inner constitution that feels most true,I will make it simple,there's tons of reading material about it:
1. Physical body
2. Etheric body-often viewd as one with physical, it's just fine physical matter
3. Emotional body (Astral body)
4. Mental body
5. Soul body (Causal body)
6. etc. Spiritual sheats
I'm just trying to show that our tangible body is just the tip of the iceberg, while we are greatly conditioned by physical processes.The type of heredity is determined by our prenatal (past life) actions,as well with many other types of cause-and-effect law (family,national,racial,planetary).

If pastliferegression is true, this states that memories are saved in the soul, otherwise it wouldnt be possible to remember pastlives.
Well, then, what about people who has got their brains smashed in and no longer remember anything?

The Causal or Soul body stores good essentials of our numerous incarnations, and It chooses the next body and environment,all under law. Family ties are strong,they are one of greatest fields for working out old debts.

The Soul memories are stored in the Soul's Akashic Record.

Akashic records are another thing,in them are recorded all happenings in the history and it is the place where liberated Masters draw their predictions and foresights.

So its like how can personality come from the soul?

Personality are bodies 1.-4.,and the soul gathers around itself every time new substance for new personality sheats.The goal is that one day the soul starts gripping it's lower vehicles,and pouring it's energy of light,love and altruism.It takes a lot of spinning to get to there,and it's rough.Now,the majority of us lives without soul contact,but you don't have to be religious to be an advanced soul-scientists,artists,politicians,all with strong humanitarian consciousness and creativity can be old souls,while in past life they could've been the pope!We can play tottaly different roles from life to life.For me,the reincarnation is the only logical explanation for the world.

From my perspective, the spirit has opposite characteristics of this world. This world is coarse, objectifiable, and quantifiable. The spirit is not.

Everything is energy vibrating at different level,and physical universe is the lowest vibrational sphere of Spirit's manifestation.Check out my other posts.
Love!