entity harrasment

[oryanrando]

Recently, while staying in a cabin in Idyllwild CA, I had a run in with an entity. It was around 1:30 am and I was in a light sleep, it first bumped the end of the bed and then it held me down and tried suffocating me. I finally broke free, but was a little shaken up. I turned the lights on because I was a little nervous about being in the dark. It came back around 3:00 and this time, I was on my side and it used its forearm against my jaw forcing my head into the mattress with all it's might. It took me about 30 seconds to finally get it off me. Obviously, the next day I left. I got the hint. I've had about three incidences like this (not twice in one night) in my life, but it hasn't happened in years. Someone said it was an entity attachment, but I don't agree from the definition. This isn't something that keeps at me. This area though (Idyllwild) had many indians slain in the past. I have indian blood, but all the encounters I've had associated with indians (spirits) has been good. Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening? What is the reason for them doing this? Am I a threat? Are they dangerous? If so, is there something I can do to ward them off in case of an attack?

[Shamou]

That seems like schizophrenia to me... if I were you I would seek professional help... no offense intended...

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[oryanrando]

Is that your "expert" opinion? I've known many other people who have had the very same experience. Be cautious about throwing out judgement calls. This issue is obvioulsy WAY out of your league. Maybe there's an "expert" in this forum who has heard of this situation.

[oryanrando]

By the way, you’re just a pompous idiot from Quebec…no offence intended.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by oryanrando

Is that your "expert" opinion?

I am a qualified Chiropractic Physician and it is an expert opinion... however, very sorry if it has offended you...

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[Beloved]

I've had something similar, but mine wasn't so much of a physical attack. And yes it could sound like schizophrenia to those who have never suffered through something like this. Mine went on for several weeks during which time, I suffered depression, all sorts of aches and pains, sleepless nights - I think I was getting 2 hours a night, I felt entities and saw them as well. I knew my energy was being sucked away from me, I actually saw it. Then one night it culminated into waking from a dream in which I was being told I had to die and realising that some sort of prescence was making it's way up the bed, my legs were in it's energy and they felt prickly - pins and needles stuff. I sat up and drew my legs out of the feeling. I fought it in my mind, telling it I wouldn't die, it couldn't make me die. Then I called on my Guardian, who immediately showed himself to me. The entity came back again later but couldn't get to me. The next night I felt there were 2 presences actually fighting over me, the winner would get me.

The next day I used a Wiccan cleansing ceremony to cleanse my room and house of this entity. Had the best sleep that night, only waking once to a presence, the familar one of my Guardian. All my depression left at the same time, I felt I had a life again.

[Shamou]

About schizophrenia... a must read...

Here is a quote:

A person experiencing schizophrenia is typically characterized as demonstrating disorganized thinking, and as experiencing delusions or hallucinations...

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[oryanrando]

Beloved, sounds like you definately had a entity attachment. That is the classic definition. Good to hear you got past it. Mine wasn't the case.

I've only had it a few times happen, it doesn't control me in any way, just lets me know I'm not welcome. I'm have a strong spirit and I think I can be a threat.

By the way, this is the Paranormal section, what does being a Chiropractic Physician have anything to do with your "expert" opinion in this arena? By the way, when the entity sanwiched my head against the matress, he threw it out of whack. Do you think I need to get adjusted? At this point Shamou, your not being offending, you're just being rediculous. I know what skitzo is, this is far from it. You should be in the skeptics arena.

[Erin Pavlina]

Let's not resort to personal attacks here or we'll have to prune the thread.

Oryanrando, I'm not sure if it is entity attachment so much as simply an encounter with something of low vibration. Perhaps you are psychically open and are attracting it like a moth to a flame. If I were you, I would work on raising your vibration so entities like that can't reach you and bother you.

[Cantando]

Oryanrando, I am prepared to take what you are saying quite seriously.
In my research, and some limited personal experience, there are, in general, four types of negative entities:

1. People who have died and who have led bad lives - they are stuck on the astral plane and still feel attached to the world and want to continue experiencing it;
2. Non-human malevolent entities from any of the lower realms (what we normally call hell);
3. A coalescing of negative energy (united by a common evil, such as violence or lust);
4. A projection of negative energy from someone who wishes you harm.

Regardless of what it is that is attacking you, you need to get spiritual help and protection. I don't know your background, but, if you have been engaging in something that may have laid you open to psychic attack, e.g. the occult, seances, taking drugs, or whatever, you might have attracted something nasty into your psyche. Conversely, if you are a saint, God may have sent it to you to test your faith!! I don't know if you have any religious beliefs, but if you believed in something as a child, perhaps there are prayers or invocations you could use from that area to help you.

[oryanrando]

Thanks Cantando for your input. I was beginning to give up on this as being a source of good information.

A little about me: I'm a very strong, loving and God loving/fearing person. And I have led my life with very strong faith. I am a highly respected business consultant and educator and seem to have a good mix of seriousness and playfulness. Well-grounded. And very high energy, I also attract a lot of depressed people that I call "energy vampires." But I'm also a giver and graciously offer help to those who need it. And am also very optimistic.

I've always been keen to vibes of people and "other" issues. Once, when visiting a friend, who was house sitting his parent's home, he took me on a tour, during the day, of the home. When I entered his parent's room, I immediately jumped back out of the room and shouted, "Someone died in here." There are a huge rush of energy through me, not a nice feeling, but maybe that's because I didn't know how to take it. Anyway, the words came out of my mouth before I even knew I said them. He was shocked but not in a way of thinking I'm nuts, but that I knew something he did. He said, "You know, I hate going into this room. My grandparents died in that bed. It creeps me out every time I come in here."

I also have Native American blood in me and am constantly taking the "beaten path" leading me right to some form of indian artifacts or caves. I was explaining this to a friend of mine while hiking in the desert and I said, "I can just turn and then BOOM, there it is. For example, I can just come to a large rock like this and find a mortero." AND when I did, there was a MORTERO RIGHT THERE!!!! I couldn't believe it! Both of our jaws dropped. I love the indian ways, and have always had good vibes from it. This area in the mountains I stayed at had many, many slain indians. Who knows, maybe this person was an indian slayer. I do think it was a person, not a demon.

I can also remote sense. Take a blind fold and put my hands on a picture and see images. Too bad I haven't built this skill, I'd be in Vegas right now seeing cards.

Don't know if you've heard of this person, Dick Sutphen, don't know if he's the real deal or not, but I contacted him last week and he'll be talking to me when he gets back from Europe. I think I just want to know how to protect myself and most importantly, know the differece between bad and REALLY bad spirits. I've just gotten into meditation recently and I love it. I'm really interested in channeling energy. If anyone can recommend good reading or CD's that would be great.

What is low vibration and how to you speed it up? I think that's why they do their thing while I'm in a light sleep, that's when vibrations are low, so, how would I counter this? I need the low vibrations, but maybe there's another way? Maybe just praying? Or is there some special thing you're supposed to say?

By the way, no drugs, no smoke, I don't even drink coffee, but I'm far from boring.

[Cantando]

Oryanrando, it was courageous of you to open up as you did and I commend you for that. I believe you have a lot of psychic ability, albeit somewhat unharnessed!
The experiences you've been having - I don't really know if they come from good or bad sources, or whether it's just random, psychic noise. There is alot of good material contained within Erin's threads which deal with these matters. I am only a novice in these things! All I can advise is: don your spiritual armour, pray for protection, pull yourself in a bit and get more grounded. Try not to get too involved with these things (for the time being anyway), no matter how attractive it might seem.
Vaya con Dios!

[oryanrando]

Thank you Cantando for the kind words. When you say threads of info, what specifically am I looking for? I just recently was taught how to do energy balls between the hands. I think it's call PSI balls. Is there info on this as well?

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by oryanrando

Thank you Cantando for the kind words. When you say threads of info, what specifically am I looking for?

If you look at Erin Pavlina's blog and links at the bottom of the page, I'm sure you will find something helpful. I remember seeing stuff there about dealing with unwanted entities. Good luck and take care.

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by oryanrando

By the way, this is the Paranormal section, what does being a Chiropractic Physician have anything to do with your "expert" opinion in this arena? By the way, when the entity sanwiched my head against the matress, he threw it out of whack. Do you think I need to get adjusted? At this point Shamou, your not being offending, you're just being rediculous. I know what skitzo is, this is far from it. You should be in the skeptics arena.

Are skeptics not allowed even in the world of the paranormal, or has "paranormal" come to mean "dogmatism and wishful thinking?" This is not a personal attack; rather if you think that no "skeptics" should have a voice even on paranormal matters that amounts to an endorsement of any belief for any reason. I think it's perfectly relevant to point out that you suspect what's being talked about isn't paranormal at all.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by AidanMatthews216

Are skeptics not allowed even in the world of the paranormal, or has "paranormal" come to mean "dogmatism and wishful thinking?" This is not a personal attack; rather if you think that no "skeptics" should have a voice even on paranormal matters that amounts to an endorsement of any belief for any reason. I think it's perfectly relevant to point out that you suspect what's being talked about isn't paranormal at all.

Thank you for that post Aidan... you make a good point here... I believe that we should try to keep an open mind to all phenomenas but scientific thinking should still rule when it comes to making up our mind in these matters...

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[Nathan]

I thought I might quote a paragraph from the book I am reading at the moment, it seems fitting.

"The problem, the contradiction the scientists are stuck with is that of the mind. Mind has no matter or energy but they can't escape its predominance over everything they do. Logic exists in the mind. Numbers exist in the mind. I don't get upset when scientists say that ghosts exist in the mind. It's that only that gets me. Science is only in your mind too, it's just that that doesn't make it bad. Or ghosts either."

He goes on further.

"Laws of nature are human inventions, like ghosts. Laws of logic, of mathematics are also human inventions, like ghosts. The whole blessed thing is a human invention, including the idea that it isnt't a human invention. The world has no existience whatsoever outside the human imagination."

Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance - liking it so far

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance - liking it so far

Fantastic book... been reading this book for two decades... I even have the best part in a Word doc (11 pages) that I transferred into my Palm for quick references... Pirsig is a genius...

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[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by Nathan

"The problem, the contradiction the scientists are stuck with is that of the mind. Mind has no matter or energy but they can't escape its predominance over everything they do. Logic exists in the mind. Numbers exist in the mind. I don't get upset when scientists say that ghosts exist in the mind. It's that only that gets me. Science is only in your mind too, it's just that that doesn't make it bad. Or ghosts either."

Actually, the mind is made of matter and energy. Some of those configurations of matter and energy we call true, and others we call false.

"Laws of nature are human inventions, like ghosts. Laws of logic, of mathematics are also human inventions, like ghosts. The whole blessed thing is a human invention, including the idea that it isnt't a human invention. The world has no existience whatsoever outside the human imagination."

Although we can only know it through analogy, the world outside of our own minds does exist.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by AidanMatthews216

Actually, the mind is made of matter and energy. Some of those configurations of matter and energy we call true, and others we call false.

Sorry for the off topic hijack. Either way, does that not still mean that existence of entities (in this case) exists in the mind, therefore it is subject to individual perception?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by AidanMatthews216

Actually, the mind is made of matter and energy. Some of those configurations of matter and energy we call true, and others we call false.

Would you mind telling us from what source you got that information...???

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[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Would you mind telling us from what source you got that information...???

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A mixture of my experience, common sense, and what I've read. Events in the brain affect events in the mind, and our sense organs affect events in the brain. The structure of the brain and the structure of the mind are so deeply linked that I think the most obvious conclusion is that, as Marvin Minsky says, "minds are what the brain does."

Also, it's much simpler to say that matter and energy compose the mind just as they compose everything else. It's unnecessary to posit some mental "stuff" that happens to be attached to our brain, because physical laws are sufficient to explain minds in theory.

We've kind of hijacked this.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by AidanMatthews216

A mixture of my experience, common sense, and what I've read. Events in the brain affect events in the mind, and our sense organs affect events in the brain. The structure of the brain and the structure of the mind are so deeply linked that I think the most obvious conclusion is that, as Marvin Minsky says, "minds are what the brain does."

Also, it's much simpler to say that matter and energy compose the mind just as they compose everything else. It's unnecessary to posit some mental "stuff" that happens to be attached to our brain, because physical laws are sufficient to explain minds in theory.

We've kind of hijacked this.

Very nice hypothesis... and very well explained... thank you...

End of hijack...

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[oryanrando]

"matter and energy compose the mind just as they compose everything else."

Hmmm, this is what the great philosophers have been saying for centuries. And, dare we venture into ideas about antimatter??? Dare not, for we could be considered skitzo....after all, the earth isn't the center of the universe and the earth isn't flat. But those thoughts could convict you in an earlier time.

It's very simple, energy is connected EVERYWHERE and in every thing and there is infinite wisdom to found in it. Someone made a comment about human invention. Sorry, I don't agree. It's funny but animals know people better than people know people. Are they linked to this whole equation? Absolutely, and they have keener abilities than us. They can read human vibes as well as the earth's vibes. If you don't want to venture into the subject of them seeing ghosts, that's fine, but you can't dispute they can sense earthquakes before they happen. That's because earthquakes are energy and they are tuned in. Why not start venturing out past what current authors are saying, which are only providing new twists on old subjects, and find the truth ourselves???? Stretch a little. Let's not be a bunch of Tony Robbins impersonators.