Ascension Process - Questions and Support

[ChrisL]

I started this thread for several reasons. I don't want to hijack MasterRishi's thread about the Urantia book so I'd rather redirect the questions about Jeshua/Mary over here. I wanted to create one central place that we could all use as a resource about this because otherwise we get millions of threads where we have to say the same things over and over again. So here we have a place to ask questions about the ascension process, to share our personal experiences to encourage others, to talk about the latest understanding of ascension, and to discuss the various mystics (like Jeshua and Mary) who exemplify the qualities that help us progress on our spiritual path toward ascension.

Please feel free to contribute with your genuine questions and personal experiences! Enjoy!

[ChrisL]

I'll post a few of my comments from Master Rishi's Urantia book thread where questions where asked about Jeshua. I'm just posting this to get the discussion about ascension going - please feel free to ask questions and contribute!


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Originally John the Baptist and Jeshua would have created a spiritual network and ongoing mystery school to help those interested in the gnostic understanding. John the Baptist got killed which was unexpected, and Jeshua decided to go on the "fast track" toward ascension - not eating much and meditating quite a bit. The original plan was to help the whole group ascend together after many years - at least in that lifetime it didn't happen en masse. Other group ascensions have occurred on the planet, including a group down in the Yucatan Peninsula where scientists are still trying to decide what happened to the people.

Mary of Sephoris, his mother, had her own group of disciples, but Jeshua was chosen as the wayshower since letting a female be the lead in those days would not have worked. The females in the Urantia book are not given enough credit for their work and their spiritual understanding. Nothing could have succeeded without their structure, support, knowing. Even when the male disciples had doubts, the women kept things together, including denying Paul and the Romans access to the deeper understanding.

Everything was carefully planned out so that all the prophecies were fulfilled. All the disciples knew their roles, including Judas pretending to betray, Peter denying, the crucifixion, the rock being rolled away from the tomb, everything. Judas knew that he was going to be the "fall guy" and was alright with his role. Mary and the women disciples helped support him financially after the ascension, and the apostle John was in consistent contact with him for years.

After the ascension everyone scattered because they knew they would be hunted down. Jeshua went with Joseph of Arimathea (his uncle) and started a mystery school in England. Mary Magdalene went with their children and lived in southern France. Mary of Sephoris, Jeshua's mother, went to Turkey where she ascended. The disciples went to various countries where they each had their missions which they had been briefed on.

The intention of moving to Europe was to start a grail bloodline lineage which could then stop the wars by introducing enlightened leadership as the rulers of the countries of Europe. The Church was originally designed to help protect the descendants of Jeshua and Mary Magdalene, and help bring about a unified Europe, but after awhile they got greedy and wanted the power for themselves. So the whole movement had to go underground and the bloodline had to become more secretive to be protected.

[ChrisL]

Midnite - There was a Roman centurion who periodically took a sponge full of water and sour wine, placed it on the tip of his spear, and held it up to Jeshua so that he could drink. One of the horrible parts of being crucified is the dehydration and suffocating from the weight of our own body. There were actually more than a few Romans who were not just sympathetic but had heard sermons and were genuinely interested. Pontius Pilate was looking for any excuse not to order his crucifixion, as he was conscious enough to see that Jeshua was a mystic and not just one in a long line of pretenders. There were quite a few people in the crowd that wanted to help, but with the Romans guarding the site, and with the Sannhedrin wanting him gone, not much could be done besides watching.

The disciples were all around interspersed within the crowd, with a few people like Mary of Sephoris, Mary Magdalene, James and John Zebedee at the foot of the cross helping to collect the energy of the crowd and direct it toward Jeshua for the ascension process. James bribed the guards not to break Jeshua's legs, as that was one way to help the crucified person die quicker.

It can take quite awhile to die from crucifixion, and Jeshua was taken down off the cross before he died and placed into Joseph of Arimathea's tomb where he could be undisturbed to finish the ascension. At some point during the ascension process, the soul needs to leave the body so that the body can see itself becoming a soul in its own right. This can look like death. Any touch from another person who doesn't want to see this transformation (i.e. disciples not understanding the process) can disturb the process, which is why when Jeshua came out of the tomb and hadn't fully ascended yet he said to his partner Mary Magdalene "Don't touch me. I'm not yet fully ascended". James Zebedee also bribed the guards to leave the cemetery so that the rocks could be rolled away from the tomb, making it look like a resurrection.

There were Romans that became converts after this whole event, and worked with the larger group of disciples not just in Israel, but in other parts of the known world. Some of the Roman converts actually were in and around Rome, where at times the Christians were rounded up and fed to the lions. What most people don't know is that if you're enlightened, it's very difficult to get an animal, a lion in this case, to attack you. Not only do they not see any conflict in you but you're resonating with them at a very deep level. There were literally times when the lions simply wouldn't attack the people in the arena - they had to be provoked and stirred up, which also transformed the people in the stadium watching. Think about it - just watching the movie Gandhi gets people teary-eyed when the British soldiers or Home Guard are beating on the protestors. Imagine what happens when you see lions being provoked to kill peaceful, loving people - sometimes whole families. I get tears just writing it.

[VinceG]

You mentioned Jeshua's 'accelerated' ascension process, which included a lot of meditation and not eating much. What else is included in this? Was fulfilling the prophecy required or was that a personal choice that he accomplished around the larger goal?

[ChrisL]

Vince - I'm going to answer your second question first. It was both. Fulfilling the prophecies was really necessary to be able to get people focused on what was important. (After becoming enlightened, St Francis chose to work within the framework of Christianity because it was all around him. For him to teach from a Buddhist perspective would not have worked in that time and place, so he chose showing people how they could live joyously without much physical needs. Since most people were fairly poor it worked for them) If they could have looked past the prophecies, it would have been easier, but the people were waiting....expecting. Look at several of the world religions today - still waiting, expecting. It's impossible to get people in the present moment when they are still projecting into the future. Even if Jeshua would show up in public today, there are people that would have a checklist of what he was supposed to look like, say, etc so that the greater understanding would be overlooked. So deliberately trying to fulfill all the prophecies was important to get on with the program.

Now for the first question. We need to place this in the proper context first. At the time Jeshua was ascending, it was the first time this was done for the collective humanity - meaning, this was the first time this was placed as an option in the collective mind. Then the option of ascension rippled out into the other timeframes, also giving anyone who lived in those times the option of ascension. There are plenty of other ascended masters.

Please understand that when I'm talking about Jeshua we can't always apply it back to ourselves. Jeshua was already enlightened and had to cut through a lot of backwards thinking back then. It's actually easier to do it now because it's more acceptable to our collective consciousness, we can follow our own spiritual path more readily without interference or fear of death, and we have a ton of examples throughout history in many cultures if we need them.

All that being said, after making the decision to speed up the timing of ascension, he would spend more and more time alone. This was not only to make sure there was less interference from others (i.e. energetically, verbally, physically, etc), but also so he could really go inside and see if there was anything left that was stopping him. He even went out into the wilderness for 40 days to really get the process going. The disciples would sometimes plead with him to eat something because they were worried about him. He would spend time in the Akashic Records to help out those around him, but even by that time, he would mainly sit silently in our physical dimension and be busy in other parallel dimensions. He would be in a state of consistent prayer, not just for others, but remembering consistently that "He and his Father were One". This was a very new concept back then with the notions of external Gods.

At the same time, he deliberately stirred things up with the Sanhedrin and the Romans, to use the energy of their conflict to help him ascend. We don't have to do things like that, so our process is likely to be quieter without all that kind of drama.

For most of us, talking about ascension before we're enlightened, is like discussing college when you're still in elementary school - some of it will just sound strange. Our first step needs to be consistently diving inside to gather self knowledge about ourselves. Without releasing our inner conflict, ascension might as well be a fantasy. Then the next step is having the commitment to live authentically as ourselves in the world. If we look at certain figures, like celebs, leaders, or philanthropists - they are just being themselves out in the world.

The techniques we use to get there are almost unimportant. We could use meditations, chanting, prayer, movement, therapies, workshops, healing techniques, fasting - all of this is to get us to the moment where we can fully accept ourselves. This is why the path to enlightenment is so individual - different things will click for different people. Once we are in a consistent state of no internal conflict, we are enlightened.

Then our willingness to start living beyond time and space will take us into the next step. We can start having experiences of parallel dimensions and other timeframes, at the same time we are having our physical experience here and now. Then the next step could be ascension - our soul raising the physical vibratory rate of the body so that it becomes a soul also. So if we want to choose ascension, then having a vision of our life beyond our normal workaday world is important. Being around people who are of similar mindframe is very important, otherwise we will feel drained.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

If they could have looked past the prophecies, it would have been easier, but the people were waiting....expecting. Look at several of the world religions today - still waiting, expecting. It's impossible to get people in the present moment when they are still projecting into the future.

Ahh, I see now. Rather than ascend privately, as humans had in the past, Jeshua ascended publicly, creating a record and a pathway for doing so. I imagine this had a great deal to do with energy. The energy he ascended with came as much from his followers and witnesses as it did from him.

Jeshua was already enlightened and had to cut through a lot of backwards thinking back then.

I can see this. In my studies of enlightened people I've always been struck by how the surrounding culture reflects on the master. So much of what was taught simply isn't applicable today, and the errors compound upon themselves and create this cacophony of noise we need to cut through. The general level of consciousness is higher, which is nice because you don't have to worry about getting killed, but you have to exercise a lot more discipline because it gets harder to tell where the true path lies.

he would mainly sit silently in our physical dimension and be busy in other parallel dimensions.

What did he do in these parallel dimensions? And is this the same or a similar mechanism to what we call astral projection?

The techniques we use to get there are almost unimportant.

Yes, I've constantly seen throughout my explorations that the end result of consistent existence in a non-dual state of mind can be done in so many ways that it's almost not even worth discussing, for fear of creating distractions that push one out of the present.

Then our willingness to start living beyond time and space will take us into the next step. We can start having experiences of parallel dimensions and other timeframes, at the same time we are having our physical experience here and now. Then the next step could be ascension - our soul raising the physical vibratory rate of the body so that it becomes a soul also. So if we want to choose ascension, then having a vision of our life beyond our normal workaday world is important. Being around people who are of similar mindframe is very important, otherwise we will feel drained.

You say the next step 'could' be ascension. Are there others?

[Tanemon]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Vince - I'm going to answer your second question first. It was both. Fulfilling the prophecies was really necessary to be able to get people focused on what was important. ... If they could have looked past the prophecies, it would have been easier, but the people were waiting....expecting. Look at several of the world religions today - still waiting, expecting. It's impossible to get people in the present moment when they are still projecting into the future.

This is an interesting point. I've contemplated on this myself, of course.

Today, a sizable proportion of people, partiularly young people, are expectant of a revelation concerning high-consciousness "aliens" among us - spiritually evolved, benevolent beings from other solar systems or galaxies who will deliberately reveal themselves to the broad public (hence to governments and power elites, as well). Reveal themselves clearly and unequivocally.

You can look at stuff posted five years ago on the web and see that some people thought that would happen in six months (i.e., they'd reveal themselves four and a half years ago, from present time). A year ago, some were making the same sort of pronouncements (i.e., the aliens would reveal themselves six months ago). Six months ago, some were making the same sort of pronouncements (i.e., the aliens would reveal themselves about now).

It's frequently a matter of a near-term event that is prophesied. Focus on the future, but on a near future.

I'm not saying "the aliens aren't there". I'm just saying the big event - the unequivocal appearance and broad public communication - hasn't occurred. So people are still focussing and being led to focus on the future.

I remember one case was studied by social scientists, which made the case well known. There was a publicly foretold date in the mid 1950s for the big arrival to happen. It didn't, and so the believers came up with a 'gloss-over' story to rationalize just why it didn't happen. Then they believed that story.

Someone once gave me a copy of a book, A History of the End of the World (authors: Rubinsky & Wiseman), and it's filled with various prophesies of either the end of the physical Earth as a home for humanity, or the end to the old evil system amongst humanity. It looks at expectations that were held by groups of people thousands of years ago, and also much more recent examples. Interesting book.

Again, I'm not saying that aliens will not reveal themselves and enable us to solve all our problems. Because I don't know. But I don't count on it.

[Weena]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Imagine what happens when you see lions being provoked to kill peaceful, loving people - sometimes whole families. I get tears just writing it.

What gets me even more than the lions is all the families the emperor Hadrian burned alive (imagine being locked in a box and see your family and yourself being burned). I know it has nothing to do with the topic. But you mentioning this part reminded me the uneasiness I feel each time I think of the practices of the Romans. I must have been there at some point because I don't feel much love or respect for ancient Rome (even almost had a panic attack when I was in Rome)(hated it).

[ALLisWELL]

ChrisL- You have such great information. Wow, brother, thanks for sharing.
In retrospect I see that I have been practicing a lot of what you say above in an ebb and flow, though I have never clearly defined it as a path to ascension... but to realize it seems to make it that much stronger in my current reality.

In regards to earlier discussions in this thread and the one from which it split (Urantia), is it possible that the Church (established to protect the bloodline as you say) grew power hungry as you stated, and then what transpired through the following centuries in regards to "witch craft" was a stamping out of potential threats to the seat of power, as in members of the bloodline? They eventually put a very harsh stigma on any practice or gathering that encouraged a metaphysical learning or the strenghtening of such faculties, very much a contrast to the treatment of such activities in earlier millenia, I believe. I suppose this could have also been for the purpose of controlling people in some way, or limiting them, or maybe some other purpose that I haven't considered.

Does the bloodline survive to this day?

I know you mentioned Jeshua and Mary, but were there any others from the group to "ascend" in that lifetime or another?

I feel like with the understanding of Jeshua comes a whole flood of consideration of everything leading up to that point and since, but also in the current moment. I can see the pieces of the puzzle coming together, but I still have so many questions. Perhaps devoting some time to learning how to access the Akashic record myself would be advisable?

[ChrisL]

Bluth - Take a look at St Francis as an example. Prior to awakening, he would say something like "Lord, how I've longed to know you with all my heart. Please reveal yourself to me in each moment!" After awakening, he is reported to have said things like "Let me undertand more than be understood. Where there is hatred let me sow love."

There more we are willing to merge dualities, to embody what we want from others (i.e. love, understanding), the more every word from our lips becomes a prayer. It starts with a willingness in our prayers to be one with Source/Creator, and it continues as we realize that Source/Creator is always working through us. We are it, and it is us.

Jeshua's form of internal prayer would be to remember that "I and my Father are One" consistently, then from that fullness of knowing that everything was at his fingertips, when he would actually externally verbally pray, it was for the needs of others.

Cheesedip - That movie played like an S&M wet dream for someone who felt guilty over Jeshua suffering. It was way over the top.

He was already not eating or sleeping much when he was taken, scourged, a crown of thorns placed on his head and pushed down hard enough to draw blood, some more beating by the Romans, taken to Herod and back again to Pilate, the walk up the hill being tied to the cross beam, falling a few times, people yelling and throwing things, being crucified. The abuse could have been much worse than it was, because previous Messiah candidates did receive worse treatment. And because of the people having watched previous cases, the perception of it was worse than the reality.

Weena - I can totally understand how you might feel this way. Many of us had interesting treatment by the Romans, and then also had lives where we were Roman to get the other side of the story. Even people who have had esoteric Christian lives, have usually had the hardcore religious lives, whether it was as a priest/nun/monk, inquisitor, or crusader. We tend to want to have the full experience. In some cases we have tried to exact justice on the very people/organization that harmed us. We might have been tortured by the Inquisition, and then immediately came back as a Muslim invader. Life is funny, and lifetimes are even funnier.

AllisWell - You're very welcome! Yes you're absolutely right about that. Any esoteric spiritual path that gave people a direct, personal experience of knowing themselves as divine (i.e. earth-based paths like the Druids), or any organization that protected the grail bloodline (i.e. Knight's Templar), were systematically tortured, converted or killed. It was about maintaining control over the masses. You cannot maintain control with enlightened beings walking around with a different version of reality than what the Church was trying to market and enforce. And yet on the upside, the Church has a carried a miniscule portion of truth forward over time for people to chew on (i.e. Sermon on the Mount) and perhaps begin to question more.

The bloodline is still active, and so are Jeshua and Mary as ascended masters.

Everyone from that group - family, disciples - either ascended in that life or in others. There are some people who were around back then who have reincarnated now, not because they karmically had to for their own personal path, but rather to help out at this time of transition.

I always recommend learning how to access the Records if we can stay balanced and focus on what is important - helping ourselves and others become more conscious and loving in each moment.

[Frisky]

Two questions, please:

1. Now that I've "mastered" LOA, whats my next step in ascension??
2. What do you think of the claims on this website: The Halls of Amenti

Some of their claims I believe, others I cant believe no matter how hard I try (like hollow earth...I mean come on )