Ascension Process - Questions and Support

[ChrisL]

I started this thread for several reasons. I don't want to hijack MasterRishi's thread about the Urantia book so I'd rather redirect the questions about Jeshua/Mary over here. I wanted to create one central place that we could all use as a resource about this because otherwise we get millions of threads where we have to say the same things over and over again. So here we have a place to ask questions about the ascension process, to share our personal experiences to encourage others, to talk about the latest understanding of ascension, and to discuss the various mystics (like Jeshua and Mary) who exemplify the qualities that help us progress on our spiritual path toward ascension.

Please feel free to contribute with your genuine questions and personal experiences! Enjoy!

[ChrisL]

I'll post a few of my comments from Master Rishi's Urantia book thread where questions where asked about Jeshua. I'm just posting this to get the discussion about ascension going - please feel free to ask questions and contribute!


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Originally John the Baptist and Jeshua would have created a spiritual network and ongoing mystery school to help those interested in the gnostic understanding. John the Baptist got killed which was unexpected, and Jeshua decided to go on the "fast track" toward ascension - not eating much and meditating quite a bit. The original plan was to help the whole group ascend together after many years - at least in that lifetime it didn't happen en masse. Other group ascensions have occurred on the planet, including a group down in the Yucatan Peninsula where scientists are still trying to decide what happened to the people.

Mary of Sephoris, his mother, had her own group of disciples, but Jeshua was chosen as the wayshower since letting a female be the lead in those days would not have worked. The females in the Urantia book are not given enough credit for their work and their spiritual understanding. Nothing could have succeeded without their structure, support, knowing. Even when the male disciples had doubts, the women kept things together, including denying Paul and the Romans access to the deeper understanding.

Everything was carefully planned out so that all the prophecies were fulfilled. All the disciples knew their roles, including Judas pretending to betray, Peter denying, the crucifixion, the rock being rolled away from the tomb, everything. Judas knew that he was going to be the "fall guy" and was alright with his role. Mary and the women disciples helped support him financially after the ascension, and the apostle John was in consistent contact with him for years.

After the ascension everyone scattered because they knew they would be hunted down. Jeshua went with Joseph of Arimathea (his uncle) and started a mystery school in England. Mary Magdalene went with their children and lived in southern France. Mary of Sephoris, Jeshua's mother, went to Turkey where she ascended. The disciples went to various countries where they each had their missions which they had been briefed on.

The intention of moving to Europe was to start a grail bloodline lineage which could then stop the wars by introducing enlightened leadership as the rulers of the countries of Europe. The Church was originally designed to help protect the descendants of Jeshua and Mary Magdalene, and help bring about a unified Europe, but after awhile they got greedy and wanted the power for themselves. So the whole movement had to go underground and the bloodline had to become more secretive to be protected.

[ChrisL]

Midnite - There was a Roman centurion who periodically took a sponge full of water and sour wine, placed it on the tip of his spear, and held it up to Jeshua so that he could drink. One of the horrible parts of being crucified is the dehydration and suffocating from the weight of our own body. There were actually more than a few Romans who were not just sympathetic but had heard sermons and were genuinely interested. Pontius Pilate was looking for any excuse not to order his crucifixion, as he was conscious enough to see that Jeshua was a mystic and not just one in a long line of pretenders. There were quite a few people in the crowd that wanted to help, but with the Romans guarding the site, and with the Sannhedrin wanting him gone, not much could be done besides watching.

The disciples were all around interspersed within the crowd, with a few people like Mary of Sephoris, Mary Magdalene, James and John Zebedee at the foot of the cross helping to collect the energy of the crowd and direct it toward Jeshua for the ascension process. James bribed the guards not to break Jeshua's legs, as that was one way to help the crucified person die quicker.

It can take quite awhile to die from crucifixion, and Jeshua was taken down off the cross before he died and placed into Joseph of Arimathea's tomb where he could be undisturbed to finish the ascension. At some point during the ascension process, the soul needs to leave the body so that the body can see itself becoming a soul in its own right. This can look like death. Any touch from another person who doesn't want to see this transformation (i.e. disciples not understanding the process) can disturb the process, which is why when Jeshua came out of the tomb and hadn't fully ascended yet he said to his partner Mary Magdalene "Don't touch me. I'm not yet fully ascended". James Zebedee also bribed the guards to leave the cemetery so that the rocks could be rolled away from the tomb, making it look like a resurrection.

There were Romans that became converts after this whole event, and worked with the larger group of disciples not just in Israel, but in other parts of the known world. Some of the Roman converts actually were in and around Rome, where at times the Christians were rounded up and fed to the lions. What most people don't know is that if you're enlightened, it's very difficult to get an animal, a lion in this case, to attack you. Not only do they not see any conflict in you but you're resonating with them at a very deep level. There were literally times when the lions simply wouldn't attack the people in the arena - they had to be provoked and stirred up, which also transformed the people in the stadium watching. Think about it - just watching the movie Gandhi gets people teary-eyed when the British soldiers or Home Guard are beating on the protestors. Imagine what happens when you see lions being provoked to kill peaceful, loving people - sometimes whole families. I get tears just writing it.

[VinceG]

You mentioned Jeshua's 'accelerated' ascension process, which included a lot of meditation and not eating much. What else is included in this? Was fulfilling the prophecy required or was that a personal choice that he accomplished around the larger goal?

[ChrisL]

Vince - I'm going to answer your second question first. It was both. Fulfilling the prophecies was really necessary to be able to get people focused on what was important. (After becoming enlightened, St Francis chose to work within the framework of Christianity because it was all around him. For him to teach from a Buddhist perspective would not have worked in that time and place, so he chose showing people how they could live joyously without much physical needs. Since most people were fairly poor it worked for them) If they could have looked past the prophecies, it would have been easier, but the people were waiting....expecting. Look at several of the world religions today - still waiting, expecting. It's impossible to get people in the present moment when they are still projecting into the future. Even if Jeshua would show up in public today, there are people that would have a checklist of what he was supposed to look like, say, etc so that the greater understanding would be overlooked. So deliberately trying to fulfill all the prophecies was important to get on with the program.

Now for the first question. We need to place this in the proper context first. At the time Jeshua was ascending, it was the first time this was done for the collective humanity - meaning, this was the first time this was placed as an option in the collective mind. Then the option of ascension rippled out into the other timeframes, also giving anyone who lived in those times the option of ascension. There are plenty of other ascended masters.

Please understand that when I'm talking about Jeshua we can't always apply it back to ourselves. Jeshua was already enlightened and had to cut through a lot of backwards thinking back then. It's actually easier to do it now because it's more acceptable to our collective consciousness, we can follow our own spiritual path more readily without interference or fear of death, and we have a ton of examples throughout history in many cultures if we need them.

All that being said, after making the decision to speed up the timing of ascension, he would spend more and more time alone. This was not only to make sure there was less interference from others (i.e. energetically, verbally, physically, etc), but also so he could really go inside and see if there was anything left that was stopping him. He even went out into the wilderness for 40 days to really get the process going. The disciples would sometimes plead with him to eat something because they were worried about him. He would spend time in the Akashic Records to help out those around him, but even by that time, he would mainly sit silently in our physical dimension and be busy in other parallel dimensions. He would be in a state of consistent prayer, not just for others, but remembering consistently that "He and his Father were One". This was a very new concept back then with the notions of external Gods.

At the same time, he deliberately stirred things up with the Sanhedrin and the Romans, to use the energy of their conflict to help him ascend. We don't have to do things like that, so our process is likely to be quieter without all that kind of drama.

For most of us, talking about ascension before we're enlightened, is like discussing college when you're still in elementary school - some of it will just sound strange. Our first step needs to be consistently diving inside to gather self knowledge about ourselves. Without releasing our inner conflict, ascension might as well be a fantasy. Then the next step is having the commitment to live authentically as ourselves in the world. If we look at certain figures, like celebs, leaders, or philanthropists - they are just being themselves out in the world.

The techniques we use to get there are almost unimportant. We could use meditations, chanting, prayer, movement, therapies, workshops, healing techniques, fasting - all of this is to get us to the moment where we can fully accept ourselves. This is why the path to enlightenment is so individual - different things will click for different people. Once we are in a consistent state of no internal conflict, we are enlightened.

Then our willingness to start living beyond time and space will take us into the next step. We can start having experiences of parallel dimensions and other timeframes, at the same time we are having our physical experience here and now. Then the next step could be ascension - our soul raising the physical vibratory rate of the body so that it becomes a soul also. So if we want to choose ascension, then having a vision of our life beyond our normal workaday world is important. Being around people who are of similar mindframe is very important, otherwise we will feel drained.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

If they could have looked past the prophecies, it would have been easier, but the people were waiting....expecting. Look at several of the world religions today - still waiting, expecting. It's impossible to get people in the present moment when they are still projecting into the future.

Ahh, I see now. Rather than ascend privately, as humans had in the past, Jeshua ascended publicly, creating a record and a pathway for doing so. I imagine this had a great deal to do with energy. The energy he ascended with came as much from his followers and witnesses as it did from him.

Jeshua was already enlightened and had to cut through a lot of backwards thinking back then.

I can see this. In my studies of enlightened people I've always been struck by how the surrounding culture reflects on the master. So much of what was taught simply isn't applicable today, and the errors compound upon themselves and create this cacophony of noise we need to cut through. The general level of consciousness is higher, which is nice because you don't have to worry about getting killed, but you have to exercise a lot more discipline because it gets harder to tell where the true path lies.

he would mainly sit silently in our physical dimension and be busy in other parallel dimensions.

What did he do in these parallel dimensions? And is this the same or a similar mechanism to what we call astral projection?

The techniques we use to get there are almost unimportant.

Yes, I've constantly seen throughout my explorations that the end result of consistent existence in a non-dual state of mind can be done in so many ways that it's almost not even worth discussing, for fear of creating distractions that push one out of the present.

Then our willingness to start living beyond time and space will take us into the next step. We can start having experiences of parallel dimensions and other timeframes, at the same time we are having our physical experience here and now. Then the next step could be ascension - our soul raising the physical vibratory rate of the body so that it becomes a soul also. So if we want to choose ascension, then having a vision of our life beyond our normal workaday world is important. Being around people who are of similar mindframe is very important, otherwise we will feel drained.

You say the next step 'could' be ascension. Are there others?

[ChrisL]

Vince - This might seem a little strange if we think of time as a linear progression. Think of his ascension like throwing a stone in a pond - the ripples went out across time and space. This was literally like creating the wheel - it had not been done yet in the other timeframes, past or future. Then after this it was an option in all the timeframes. And yes, doing this in public forever stamped the impression into the collective consciousness to have ascension as an option.

You're right - so much of the past isn't applicable today. In fact, mystics and mystery schools will usually take great care to release the past and find some techniques/words/stories that will be practically applicable in today's world. It has gotten difficult to stay on a path and feel the truth right now because people are allowing themselves to get distracted (i.e. internet, tv, entertainment, sports, etc) and they have become less discerning.

There are 33 parallel dimensions to ours. The experience I'm talking about isn't quite the same as astral projection as much as it is more of a form of parallel life expression. It would be more similar to when we sleep at night and visit our other lifetimes, which have seperate bodies and circumstances happening. Only he did all of this very consciously.

The reason for him spending so much time in those dimensions, is that this particular drama wasn't just playing out on our dimension, but on all the other dimensions as well. So he was present enough here to take care of things on our level of consciousness, but was also devoting time to all the others, as well as integrating resources, information, etc to help in each.

All roads are leading to the same thing! The funny thing is, we usually pick a spiritual path based on whatever conflicts we still have (i.e. like being active - choosing a type of yoga, enjoying being emotional - choosing a bhakti type experience).

Yes there are other options. Instead of ascension, some people have chosen a path where they become what is called a Time Lord or a Time Being. (Smacks of Dr. Who I know. ) This is where we can choose to be an immortal being for a specified period of time, then move onto a different expression. Krishna was an example of this.

[AngelPsychic444]

Thank you ChrisL for starting this thread, it's a very good topic to explore since ascension is very hard to understand plus the fact we're actually living through it now to one degree or another on a personal basis and this experience can be very disturbing to many people who have no idea what's going on.

There have been many post's here on the board lately about sudden changes in people's personal lives that to me reflect their own personal ascension, such as things falling apart, relationships coming to an end, unreal financial problems and also a general feeling of thinking the world is just not going to make it these days. I think on a subliminal level, we're all aware of these inner transformations but in the outer world is very confusing.

Also, I'd like to include a website that's been very helpful to me as far as understanding what's going on each month in the global ascesion as well as my own personal ascension. This woman channels higher beings of Light that have the purpose of encouraging us and also giving us many hints and clues as to what's going on these days, I can't stress how helpful she's been to me and I'm sure she might be able to shed some light on what's going on for all of us now.

Here's her recent energy update, but if you read back from this update there are many other short posts, on what's been happening all year long:

The Arrival of Universal LOVE : TWYH

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Vince - This might seem a little strange if we think of time as a linear progression. Think of his ascension like throwing a stone in a pond - the ripples went out across time and space. This was literally like creating the wheel - it had not been done yet in the other timeframes, past or future. Then after this it was an option in all the timeframes. And yes, doing this in public forever stamped the impression into the collective consciousness to have ascension as an option.

You're right that is strange. How do beings exercise the new ascension option if they've already acted without the knowledge? Was the past destroyed? Is time truly an illusion and everybody's experiencing everything at once, the perception of which being an artifact of the birth and death experience?

And where do the ripple effects stop? As in, do you perceive other universes and other Creators?

Yes there are other options. Instead of ascension, some people have chosen a path where they become what is called a Time Lord or a Time Being. (Smacks of Dr. Who I know. ) This is where we can choose to be an immortal being for a specified period of time, then move onto a different expression. Krishna was an example of this.

I'm sure there are other options as well. Not sure what all the difference between ascending and becoming a Time Being is or what would cause someone to choose one or the other. I suppose that's what plumbing the Records for myself will teach me, as I don't think the resolution of our communication on this thread will suffice.

[cheesedip1]

So I'm guessing Jesus didnt really suffer, but it LOOKED like he did to those around him?

That way, it wouldn't break the reality of some people.....

[ChrisL]

Angel - You're welcome. And thanks for contributing with your information and links. With so much information floating around out there, it can be difficult discerning what is real and what is just wishful thinking. I'm all about trying to make things as real and practical as possible, otherwise it's just not useful. I've talked about releasing conflict as the major step in our spiritual progression ever since I've been on this forum, but very few people really get how important it is or want to tackle it. Sometimes we just want to hear "good news" and that everything will be okay someday. I take a very proactive approach - if we don't like our circumstances, don't wait for something to happen, find a way to change your life by responding differently.

Vince - Time is truly an illusion. From the micro perspective, we experience everything happening in a linear fashion. In the macro understanding, which is equally valid, everything is happening at the same time, and affects everything else.

It's not that the past is destroyed. In reality, it doesn't really matter when in time something like this happened, because it affected everything. So if you had a lifetime say in 500 BCE in India, to you it might simply seem that ascension had already been explored from many generations in the linear "past" (i.e. the monks in Tibet had talked about it for many years, the mystics in Egypt, etc). The ripple affect is more seemless and instantaneous, just like when you have an epiphany in this lifetime, it affects all your other lives, and vice versa.

Where do the ripple affects stop? Excellent question! They never stop. Remember, we can't create or destroy energy, just change it's form. Even the words, thoughts, feelings and actions of mystics from thousands of years ago still energetically affect us - and we can attune ourselves to them. Until we are enlightened, we only attune to the various bands of energy that surround our planet. Once we're enlightened, we're actually adding another band of energy for others to attune to. So yes, we can start perceiving other universes. And each one of us is a Creator.

It's like the difference between a pine tree and an oak, or strawberry versus chocolate - just a different experience. One major difference is that a Time Being has a finite time span where it can affect major changes within that span, whereas an ascended master can continue on indefinitely. There are some ascended masters who have been on the planet for thousands of years - Jeshua is one of them.

Cheesedip1 - Jeshua never really suffered physically during the whole ordeal. The bystanders who witnessed what was going on projected their idea of pain/suffering onto him, because they had seen others go through this same type of ordeal and those people had suffered greatly. Other than the temporary fear in the Garden of Gethsemane from his body knowing what it was about to go through, he didn't experience doubt either. In terms of physical pain, he could turn off his senses whenever he wanted to, so at no time from his capture in the Garden, through the crucifixion, did he experience what we would call pain. He quietly took every form of energy that was being projected/offered to him, and used it to transform himself and those around him.

Usually in those days, when someone was going to be crucified, they broke/wrapped their arms around the wooden beam and nailed them to it, so that the person was already suffering as they walked up to be crucified. Someone among the Romans knew that Jeshua was special - they simply tied his arms on the wooden beam. The crowd knew something was different because Jeshua was being treated better than usual, so an even bigger crowd gathered to see what was going on.

So the initial idea that Jeshua was suffering came from anyone in the crowd who had seen others before him go through a similar ordeal. After the ascension when the Christians were being persecuted, the stories kept getting more grand, so the suffering and the miracles would get exagerated to help them stay focused, especially in the face of death. Later the Church used stories of Jeshua suffering as a way to control the masses through guilt.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Vince - Time is truly an illusion. From the micro perspective, we experience everything happening in a linear fashion. In the macro understanding, which is equally valid, everything is happening at the same time, and affects everything else.

This was a line of thought that I embarked upon awhile ago, came off of it for some reason. Thanks for reminding me.

So yes, we can start perceiving other universes. And each one of us is a Creator.

Hey, I see what you did there!

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

Yeah you've stated it, but you have never defined what inner conflict is or how to get rid of it. I mean what is it? a bad feeling? opposing beliefs?

Opposing belief structures. Like wanting to have lots of sex but forcing yourself not to or believing you can't due to religious or other guilt. That's one inner conflict, but it manifests everywhere in consciousness, and it can get very very subtle. Just when I think I have all mine licked, I find more conflict I need to transform.

Earlier in the discussion, (on the other thread) Chris alluded to a method Jesus taught to resolve it, the "turn the other cheek" bit. You take both sides of the discord and merge them. In the above example, rather than letting one side or the other of the sex conflict rule over you, (usually people let both run over them, sometimes at the same time, like when politicians hide their promiscuity behind a public campaign of hate) transform the conflict by doing something totally unexpected, which changes the entire dynamic.

So if something strikes you, offer it the other side of you to strike as well. When it does so, offer it a third side. If your inner conflict is silenced, the outer conflict will resolve itself as well. Nobody can keep hitting someone whose completely non-resistant.

[VinceG]

Err, where'd he go?

[ChrisL]

Dallaz - Thanks for asking. I'm sorry if you haven't seen where I've talked about what inner conflict is and what to do with it. I've talked about it so much and I thought I've mentioned it in numerous threads. I was giving all kinds of information about it in the "Akashic Records and Authentic Response sessions" thread. I've also been mentioning about this in the "Consciousness Shift - What's Happening to Everyone - Questions and Answers" thread. I'm happy to discuss it some more, but here is a small excerpt from the former thread I just mentioned. I've added the bold for emphasis:

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I've said this before, but it's our own internal conflict that creates what we call karma. Karma is not an outside imposed agenda. If we are holding onto anything, from any lifetime, we will guarantee some kind of setup of external circumstances to help us release it. A response right now, cleans up any karmic influence, like dropping a stone in a pond and watching it ripple out into the lifetimes.

How do we know if we have conflict and need to respond more? Take a look at your core beliefs and see if your thoughts, feelings, words and actions are integrated. The healthy core beliefs will be things like: I'm safe, I'm loved, I'm welcome, I can have my needs met, I can be myself and be in relationship, I can say no, I can ask for support, I can express emotions and be vulnerable, I can express my sexuality.

If we have any area of our lives that we are playing the victim, holding onto the past, projecting onto others, gossiping, blaming, shaming, not forgiving, having addictive/repetitive behaviors, having addictive/repetitive behaviors (that was a joke to see if you're paying attention) , resisting change, struggling, needing to be right about something - all of those conditions will lead to a reaction and not a response. All of these are examples of conflict.

When we have conflict, it affects our relationships, our ability to communicate, our ability to manifest, our spiritual path, our health - pretty much everything.

What happens when we try to manifest or attract our heart's desire? When light shines through a stained-glass window, only a reflection of the picture in the glass comes out on the other side. When we have conflict, what we're trying to attract, ends up resembling our conflict, just like the light through the stained glass. When we're free of conflict, it's like shining light through a clear piece of glass. The pure light goes through unchanged - just like the energy we place into calling our heart's desire. So what we attract is a pure reflection of what we want.

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So how do we release conflict?

One of the ways is what Vince already mentioned which is merging dualities to create a neutral state. For instance, if we have anger about someone, find the compassion that also exists about that person. I was angry at my father for how he treated me as a kid, but once I learned how totally dysfunctional his own childhood was, I could bring some compassion into the situation.

Another really easy technique is to make a list of our core beliefs and see if our thoughts, feelings, words and actions match. What do we believe about ourselves, relationships, power, money, sex, fame, work, society, religion, spirituality. Examples of conflict include anywhere these don't match (i.e. I love my work but I hate my particular job. I have to smile even when I'm angry. I want money but it's unspiritual.)

There are so many techniques to release conflict out there - therapies, coaching, journaling, support groups, workshops, retreats, meditation, martial arts, learning about healthy boundaries, hynotherapy, bodywork - tons of things that can help. The techniques matter less than getting to the core, and the real core to releasing conflict is to see exactly what it is that we need in the moment and give it to ourselves, and to embody what we want from others (i.e. we want to be acknowledged by others, so we become self-acknowledging). To become internally-validating once again.

[cheesedip1]

I think i have a belief that other people wont accept me for who i am. How would one turn the cheek in this situation?

[Tanemon]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Vince - I'm going to answer your second question first. It was both. Fulfilling the prophecies was really necessary to be able to get people focused on what was important. ... If they could have looked past the prophecies, it would have been easier, but the people were waiting....expecting. Look at several of the world religions today - still waiting, expecting. It's impossible to get people in the present moment when they are still projecting into the future.

This is an interesting point. I've contemplated on this myself, of course.

Today, a sizable proportion of people, partiularly young people, are expectant of a revelation concerning high-consciousness "aliens" among us - spiritually evolved, benevolent beings from other solar systems or galaxies who will deliberately reveal themselves to the broad public (hence to governments and power elites, as well). Reveal themselves clearly and unequivocally.

You can look at stuff posted five years ago on the web and see that some people thought that would happen in six months (i.e., they'd reveal themselves four and a half years ago, from present time). A year ago, some were making the same sort of pronouncements (i.e., the aliens would reveal themselves six months ago). Six months ago, some were making the same sort of pronouncements (i.e., the aliens would reveal themselves about now).

It's frequently a matter of a near-term event that is prophesied. Focus on the future, but on a near future.

I'm not saying "the aliens aren't there". I'm just saying the big event - the unequivocal appearance and broad public communication - hasn't occurred. So people are still focussing and being led to focus on the future.

I remember one case was studied by social scientists, which made the case well known. There was a publicly foretold date in the mid 1950s for the big arrival to happen. It didn't, and so the believers came up with a 'gloss-over' story to rationalize just why it didn't happen. Then they believed that story.

Someone once gave me a copy of a book, A History of the End of the World (authors: Rubinsky & Wiseman), and it's filled with various prophesies of either the end of the physical Earth as a home for humanity, or the end to the old evil system amongst humanity. It looks at expectations that were held by groups of people thousands of years ago, and also much more recent examples. Interesting book.

Again, I'm not saying that aliens will not reveal themselves and enable us to solve all our problems. Because I don't know. But I don't count on it.

[ChrisL]

Cheesedip1 - The idea of "if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek", "if someone steals your cloak, give them your coat", was another way of saying "don't struggle against anything". A mystic once told me "the struggle makes it real", meaning when we struggle against something we are in essence glorifying that person/thing. We are giving our energy to it.

Back then, the notion of turning the other cheek was absolutely radical. Even when India was involved with non-cooperation it was seen as radical - the British didn't know how to respond to it. So we're not turning the other cheek as a victim, or because we're more spiritual than the other person, but because we understand that nothing has power over us unless we choose to give it away. We understand the dynamics, the physics of energy so well, that we can take any energy aimed at us and transform it into whatever we want - gratitude, joy, love, clarity, understanding. We decide what comes out of us - that's our response.

And so not only can we neutralize the energy aimed at us by bringing in a polar opposite (i.e. anger/compassion), but we stay centered enough to transform the energy and use it any way we want.

So if someone says "You're just an idiot!", we don't have to just put up with it, and we don't have to retaliate. We can even say something like "That's just ridiculous" to neutralize the energy aimed at us. We're not judging the other person or ourselves.

Internally it's a similar story. Where are we struggling against ourselves and making something more real, when in fact it's just our judgment? What's the payoff if we believe others won't accept us? Staying safe? Not getting hurt or embarassed? Not having a certain emotion like sadness? Once we start diving deeper into our feelings of not getting accepted by others, we can begin to realize that we aren't accepting/acknowledging ourselves enough. Then we find the opposite of not accepting ourselves and let ourselves feel it directly - feeling loved/accepted/acknowledged through supportive friends and family, physical contact like hugs and massage, and most importantly self supportive resourcing. You can make a list of positive resources that can help - physical, emotional, mental, spiritual, relationship, emergency, communication resources. Sometimes the simplest thing makes the biggest difference, like giving ourselves a hug, walking in nature, laughing at ourselves.

Tanemon - I created the thread about "Alien Announcement" based on credible information that I received externally and via the Akashic Records. Even when I was posting it I was trying to emphasize that our own internal transformation is the most important thing, and not waiting on an external event. Waiting on an external event is like waiting for permission, or to be part of the crowd so that we're not excluded or ostracized.

I share events because I enjoy empowering others by letting them know what's on the horizon so they can be even more conscious in their response, not so they can wait for someone or something to do the work for them. You're right, we can see throughout history how this has happened.

Prophecies are useful if we release fear about the future and focus on now, if we use them as guidestones or signposts rather than the main focus (i.e. certain economic, political, or earth conditions will exist).

[Bluth]

How does one use prayer to achieve a non-dual state using prayer?

[cheesedip1]

@ChrisL

Was Jesus' suffering as bad as it looked in the Passion of the Christ? I know he didn't really suffer, because he didn't feel anything. But I mean, how bad did they treat his body? etc.

[Weena]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Imagine what happens when you see lions being provoked to kill peaceful, loving people - sometimes whole families. I get tears just writing it.

What gets me even more than the lions is all the families the emperor Hadrian burned alive (imagine being locked in a box and see your family and yourself being burned). I know it has nothing to do with the topic. But you mentioning this part reminded me the uneasiness I feel each time I think of the practices of the Romans. I must have been there at some point because I don't feel much love or respect for ancient Rome (even almost had a panic attack when I was in Rome)(hated it).

[ALLisWELL]

ChrisL- You have such great information. Wow, brother, thanks for sharing.
In retrospect I see that I have been practicing a lot of what you say above in an ebb and flow, though I have never clearly defined it as a path to ascension... but to realize it seems to make it that much stronger in my current reality.

In regards to earlier discussions in this thread and the one from which it split (Urantia), is it possible that the Church (established to protect the bloodline as you say) grew power hungry as you stated, and then what transpired through the following centuries in regards to "witch craft" was a stamping out of potential threats to the seat of power, as in members of the bloodline? They eventually put a very harsh stigma on any practice or gathering that encouraged a metaphysical learning or the strenghtening of such faculties, very much a contrast to the treatment of such activities in earlier millenia, I believe. I suppose this could have also been for the purpose of controlling people in some way, or limiting them, or maybe some other purpose that I haven't considered.

Does the bloodline survive to this day?

I know you mentioned Jeshua and Mary, but were there any others from the group to "ascend" in that lifetime or another?

I feel like with the understanding of Jeshua comes a whole flood of consideration of everything leading up to that point and since, but also in the current moment. I can see the pieces of the puzzle coming together, but I still have so many questions. Perhaps devoting some time to learning how to access the Akashic record myself would be advisable?

[ChrisL]

Bluth - Take a look at St Francis as an example. Prior to awakening, he would say something like "Lord, how I've longed to know you with all my heart. Please reveal yourself to me in each moment!" After awakening, he is reported to have said things like "Let me undertand more than be understood. Where there is hatred let me sow love."

There more we are willing to merge dualities, to embody what we want from others (i.e. love, understanding), the more every word from our lips becomes a prayer. It starts with a willingness in our prayers to be one with Source/Creator, and it continues as we realize that Source/Creator is always working through us. We are it, and it is us.

Jeshua's form of internal prayer would be to remember that "I and my Father are One" consistently, then from that fullness of knowing that everything was at his fingertips, when he would actually externally verbally pray, it was for the needs of others.

Cheesedip - That movie played like an S&M wet dream for someone who felt guilty over Jeshua suffering. It was way over the top.

He was already not eating or sleeping much when he was taken, scourged, a crown of thorns placed on his head and pushed down hard enough to draw blood, some more beating by the Romans, taken to Herod and back again to Pilate, the walk up the hill being tied to the cross beam, falling a few times, people yelling and throwing things, being crucified. The abuse could have been much worse than it was, because previous Messiah candidates did receive worse treatment. And because of the people having watched previous cases, the perception of it was worse than the reality.

Weena - I can totally understand how you might feel this way. Many of us had interesting treatment by the Romans, and then also had lives where we were Roman to get the other side of the story. Even people who have had esoteric Christian lives, have usually had the hardcore religious lives, whether it was as a priest/nun/monk, inquisitor, or crusader. We tend to want to have the full experience. In some cases we have tried to exact justice on the very people/organization that harmed us. We might have been tortured by the Inquisition, and then immediately came back as a Muslim invader. Life is funny, and lifetimes are even funnier.

AllisWell - You're very welcome! Yes you're absolutely right about that. Any esoteric spiritual path that gave people a direct, personal experience of knowing themselves as divine (i.e. earth-based paths like the Druids), or any organization that protected the grail bloodline (i.e. Knight's Templar), were systematically tortured, converted or killed. It was about maintaining control over the masses. You cannot maintain control with enlightened beings walking around with a different version of reality than what the Church was trying to market and enforce. And yet on the upside, the Church has a carried a miniscule portion of truth forward over time for people to chew on (i.e. Sermon on the Mount) and perhaps begin to question more.

The bloodline is still active, and so are Jeshua and Mary as ascended masters.

Everyone from that group - family, disciples - either ascended in that life or in others. There are some people who were around back then who have reincarnated now, not because they karmically had to for their own personal path, but rather to help out at this time of transition.

I always recommend learning how to access the Records if we can stay balanced and focus on what is important - helping ourselves and others become more conscious and loving in each moment.

[Bluth]

^^^thanks very much.

[VinceG]

What is the importance and significance of a bloodline? I'm unaware as to why protecting such a thing is important and what advantages it offers.

[Weena]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Weena - I can totally understand how you might feel this way. Many of us had interesting treatment by the Romans, and then also had lives where we were Roman to get the other side of the story. Even people who have had esoteric Christian lives, have usually had the hardcore religious lives, whether it was as a priest/nun/monk, inquisitor, or crusader. We tend to want to have the full experience. In some cases we have tried to exact justice on the very people/organization that harmed us. We might have been tortured by the Inquisition, and then immediately came back as a Muslim invader. Life is funny, and lifetimes are even funnier.

And now I know why my favourite comic as a kid was Asterix. And yes I've read in the Brian Weiss's books that we often want to experience both sides of the story...interesting.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

The bloodline is still active,

Same question as Vince.

[ChrisL]

Bluth - You're very welcome. Hope that was helpful.

Vince & Weena - The advantages to maintaining the integrity of an ascension bloodline could be many - what are some advantages that you can think of? And there have been other ascension bloodlines around the world and throughout history to help mankind.

The original intent of the grail bloodline was to create leaders in Europe that could rule wisely and stop the bloodshed - a unified Europe. Whenever we advance into certain state of consciousness, our family is affected for 7 generations on either side. That means, 7 generations back (i.e. parents, grandparents, etc) and 7 generations forward (if we have children, grandchildren, etc) are affected.

Remember the ripple affect that we talked about? Imagine the kind of impact that can happen in the consciousness of not just those extended family members, but then all the people they come into contact with. I know this is going to sound strange, but even if our past family is dead, the ripple of consciousness will still affect them when they were alive. This kind of effect moves through and beyond time and space.

Imagine what could have happened if various countries or the Church had enlightened (or beyond enlightened) rulers, and that continued for hundreds or thousands of years. How many people would have had vastly different experiences? How much could the world transform more easily?

Many of the ascension bloodlines have been hunted down, and there are some that have survived. And new ones are being created!

[Weena]

It makes it sound like their consciousness is a physical thing, a part of the blood. I feel really "thick" here trying to understand. What if the one that came after generation number 7 was not that enlightened? Do they still get the title based on a blood thing? (Genuine question).

[Weena]

Uh, yeah okay, it came to me as I was preparing my morning coffee. If each generation ripples seven back and forth it's never ending. (duh me)(and nooow I'm going for my coffee).

[ChrisL]

Weena - Even if a relative was only illumined or enlightened, one and two states lower than ascension respectively, that is still a substantial experience. And I would imagine that no matter what state you were in, look at the incredible family around you that would be able to help you, instead of the usual dysfunctional family dynamics that everyone gets? You'd be cruising through higher states of consciousness in no time.