Ascension Process - Questions and Support

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Frisky

Here's what I believe and dont believe re: this site: The Halls of Amenti



All the others on that webpage I'm not sure about

The Lower Astral is not hell. Hell is a specific place that was created by the collective thought energies of Christians who wanted such a place to exist so badly that they literally manifested it into being.

The Lower Astral, on the other hand, is the 2 or 3 layers of the Astral ordered around the lower vibrationary energy. They get a bad rap, but being there isn't unpleasant unless you deliberately want it to be. They're just more, well, primal.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by VinceG

The Lower Astral is not hell. Hell is a specific place that was created by the collective thought energies of Christians who wanted such a place to exist so badly that they literally manifested it into being.

The Lower Astral, on the other hand, is the 2 or 3 layers of the Astral ordered around the lower vibrationary energy. They get a bad rap, but being there isn't unpleasant unless you deliberately want it to be. They're just more, well, primal

I think you misunderstood what I meant by hell though. I dont believe in the Christian eternal hell where condemned souls are baked, fried and all the while being prodded with Satan's pitchfork.

I do believe in lower astral planes which from what I read are extremely unpleasant places to end up in. I also believe those souls will eventually leave those planes for higher ones, once they mature in spirituality

[AngelPsychic444]

I do believe in lower astral planes which from what I read are extremely unpleasant places to end up in. I also believe those souls will eventually leave those planes for higher ones, once they mature in spirituality

That's very true, good point!

[Lethalmind]

What's the point of ascension?

Do you die?

[ChrisL]

Frisky - Lemuria was a civilization that existed in the Pacific basin area, and Atlantis was a global civilization with it's spiritual center located in what is now the Mediterranean basin. The Lemurian civilization was similar to ours in that it experienced a separation cycle (i.e. duality, conflict) then came into a collective experience of unification. The Atlantean experience had the opposite experience - the had a collective unification experience, and then moved into a seperation cycle. The story of Adam and Eve being thrown out of the Garden of Eden - that is an allusion to that whole experience. The same with the story of the Tower of Babel.

Back to your original question about your next step within the ascension process. What's your intention?

Bluth - Haven't heard about the 20 connected breaths - what is it?

Lethalmind - In other words to paraphrase War..."Ascension - What is good for? Hopefully something"

Let's talk about an individual ascension process. We are composed of an evolving body and a static soul. Just like our soul reincarnates to have a variety of experiences, there is an energetic signature that is leftover from the body when we die. It also reincarnates to have more experience, but also to evolve. At some point the body wants to evolve to become a soul in it's own right. Then it matches up with a soul who wants to help it in the ascension process. The timing of this will vary depending on the individual. A very public example of this is the Dalai Lama, who has had the same body signature (spirit) and soul incarnating for 14 consecutive times.

You do not have to die to ascend. The benefit of ascension for the body is that it now has evolved into being an eternal soul, and can experience all the things that a soul does, include reincarnating to help other body's ascend. The benefit for the soul that has helped with ascension, is that it now has the energetic blueprint of any shape that body has taken in it's evolution (i.e. mineral, plant, animal, human) imprinted on itself - meaning that it doesn't have to go through the birth and death process, but can now incarnate directly (i.e. manifest a body whenever it wants to).

[VinceG]

So after you ascend you can choose to incarnate again? Do you have to find a special lady to be your mom every time like Jesus did?

[Angelz]

Yes, you can choose to incarnate again but before doing so you must make up a life plan and ask the ascended masters to assist you in making this plan so that you will learn the lessons and evolve your soul as you wish to.

[Weaver]

Hello ChrisL, my question is...

What are angels? did they start out like us but have now ascended to a super high level? or are they another being entirely?

I would love to know more about them thanks.

[Weena]

Originally Posted by Weaver

Hello ChrisL, my question is...

What are angels? did they start out like us but have now ascended to a super high level? or are they another being entirely?

I would love to know more about them thanks.

May I answer?

Yes? Thanks. I think angels were never humans. They are pure love, a higher type of energy. I don' t have sources to back this up, so take it as my personal understanding of it. AngelPsychic probably knows as well, and Angelz too I'm guessing

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Frisky - Lemuria was a civilization that existed in the Pacific basin area, and Atlantis was a global civilization with it's spiritual center located in what is now the Mediterranean basin. The Lemurian civilization was similar to ours in that it experienced a separation cycle (i.e. duality, conflict) then came into a collective experience of unification. The Atlantean experience had the opposite experience - the had a collective unification experience, and then moved into a seperation cycle. The story of Adam and Eve being thrown out of the Garden of Eden - that is an allusion to that whole experience. The same with the story of the Tower of Babel.

Back to your original question about your next step within the ascension process. What's your intention?

I dont even know what you mean by "intention".

I mastered LOA, I guess my next step would be to master meditation, astral projection and perhaps contacting my spirit guide. All just for the heck of it though, I think it be more fun then anything else.

I dont really know what my next spiritual step should be, thats why I asked you

[ChrisL]

Vince - We can choose to go through the incarnational cycle of birth and death after ascending if we choose to, and it very much would take finding someone who is similar in vibration to us to be born, otherwise the energy would exhaust and kill her. An example of someone who was already being born at a higher level of consciousness than his parent, and didn't match the energy of his mom, would be Buddha. Maya knew that she would die bringing her child into the world, but still chose to do it anyway. Now that's dedication.

Weaver - Humans are composed of a soul and a body. Angels don't have a soul like humans do, but are composed of energy and consciousness. They don't need to incarnate through another person to have a physical form - they can just take a form (like an ascended master), depending on what is needed at the time. They did not start out like us and move on to a higher state - they are actually different beings. And they can have a variety of functions like being midwives to help humans make the death transition, or helping with healing. There are some angels that have nothing to do with humans, and our doing all kinds of work regarding the rest of the solar system, galaxy, etc, and others that are specifically devoted to helping with out with the human experience as spirit guides, helpers, inspiration, healers, etc. They can also be called upon in prayer to help manifest our needs.

We tend to think that they are "higher" or more advanced than us because their vibratory rate is higher than our physical realm (the astral realms), and we also sometimes think a non-physical being is more knowing - that's not the case. Our souls are the highest form of energetic consciousness - not less than an angel. Does that help?

Frisky - Then your next step might be to discover what your intention is in life. It's helpful to have a core foundation, a core way of being, something that drives and motivates you in life to help you live inside out. If we don't have it, then we can be like a tumble weed, just sort of trying a bit of this and a bit of that and not really progressing or maximizing who we are. We can be distracted and stuck in the spiritual "candyshop" - sampling everything but not really diving deep inside ourselves with commitment. If we have a core intention, then it almost doesn't matter what is happening on the outside, because we quickly realize it's about how we are responding from the inside out. Example of intentions: Exemplifying presence, love, being in service.

And another step - it can be extremely important to have a role model/spiritual guide who exemplifies what we want to exemplify. We can choose a person that we know in our lives, but we can also connect with an enlightened master/ascended master who has the intention and qualities that we want. Many of us go to enlightened mystics because we want to see what we can become. If we just go for the "miracles", it becomes just another distraction on the path.

Then knowing ourselves completely would be another step. To know our beliefs, vision of life, judgments, aspirations and hopes, doubts/fears, how we distract ourselves, what keeps us in the moment, relationships, possessions, career, where we keep ourselves in the past - everything. Without knowing ourselves we can't even begin to have a real life.

If we're just curious or just wanting to have fun, then we can do whatever we want. If we have a deeper urge for transformation, to contribute, to connect, to know, to serve - then we have some traction to take some steps. If we don't have that, if we don't have a core intention, then we're not ready for any steps yet.

[Frisky]

^^^ thats excellent advice indeed

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by Frisky

I mastered LOA

That's quite the call. May I ask you what you believe LoA really is? Or for what reason LoA exists in the first place?

If you could appropriately answer me these two questions I may actually consider believing this statement. I am right now assuming you can instantly or near-instantly manifest anything into your life?

Originally Posted by ChrisL

They don't need to incarnate through another person to have a physical form - they can just take a form (like an ascended master), depending on what is needed at the time.

Chris for what purpose would an Angel decide to incarnate? What about a Demon?

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Our souls are the highest form of energetic consciousness - not less than an angel.

I wholeheartedly support this statement.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by Midnite

That's quite the call. May I ask you what you believe LoA really is? Or for what reason LoA exists in the first place?

In my opinion (positive) LOA exists to fullfill all of our needs

Originally Posted by Midnite

If you could appropriately answer me these two questions I may actually consider believing this statement. I am right now assuming you can instantly or near-instantly manifest anything into your life?

Not only that, but I have manifested everything already in my personal life.
Money, good health, good sex.....you name it.

The only time LOA stops working for me is when I try gambling on sports teams, I completely lose my touch for some reason. Maybe its because I dont really need the money?? Who knows

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Frisky

The only time LOA stops working for me is when I try gambling on sports teams, I completely lose my touch for some reason. Maybe its because I dont really need the money?? Who knows

Gambling and LoA is a funny thing. I've already pretty much gotten my manifestation down, but it's like gambling is a whole different ballgame. Almost like its not LoA you're using anymore but rather psychic attuning. Which, knowing what I know about both, is like trying to drink a milkshake through a coffee straw.

Think about it, for you to be able to win sports bets through manifestation, you'd pretty much have to manifest a win for the team you're betting on. It's unlikely that trying to affect the world at that level is going to work, seeing as you're dealing with everybody else's subconscious manifesting.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Gambling and LoA is a funny thing. I've already pretty much gotten my manifestation down, but it's like gambling is a whole different ballgame. Almost like its not LoA you're using anymore but rather psychic attuning. Which, knowing what I know about both, is like trying to drink a milkshake through a coffee straw.

Think about it, for you to be able to win sports bets through manifestation, you'd pretty much have to manifest a win for the team you're betting on. It's unlikely that trying to affect the world at that level is going to work, seeing as you're dealing with everybody else's subconscious manifesting

Arrghh....thats a really good point, I didnt think of it in those terms

Of course LOA wont work with gambling because you're up against everyone else who bet on the opposite team, and they also are using LOA (whether consciously or unconsciously)

So perhaps going the psychic route would give me better results, then??

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Frisky

So perhaps going the psychic route would give me better results, then??

Yes, but that's a whole different set of skills, and a whole bunch of different barriers.

I've been developing my psychic abilities for some time now. In the beginning, you start with stuff you know about, and use your gut to try to determine a specific outcome. In this case, you'd need to know sports very well. Then you look at all the available information, and watch for something that gives you a tug. That gut pull is a good clue as to what's going to happen. Maybe you feel that pull when you see that the other team's QB has been having injury trouble. You might then develop the hunch that the other team's QB is going to be injured, and that's going to end up losing them the game.

When you look really really carefully at how you would use psychic perception to gamble, what you find is that everybody that gambles is using the same perception, just like everybody uses LoA to win games.

So winning becomes a matter of using psychic perception better than everyone else. Meaning you have to be really good to beat averages.

Now, wouldn't you just rather make money the honest way?

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Now, wouldn't you just rather make money the honest way?

I do, actually.

The gambling thing is just for fun, and I only bet with money I can afford to lose

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Frisky

I do, actually.

The gambling thing is just for fun, and I only bet with money I can afford to lose

Yeah, I can see the attraction. Good luck!

[Lukas]

Chris, can you expand on finding someone's core intention? What if you have fear of being deluded?

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by Frisky

In my opinion (positive) LOA exists to fullfill all of our needs

This is a very interesting response. I like how you use the word 'needs' rather than 'wants'. However we don't really need anything in the physical world, so your response sort of grasps at the double edged sword of what it means to be alive.

I could say to you that I don't really need anything and I am completely satisfied as to my exact position. In this sense, I could also be a Master of LoA without ever needing to lift a finger. What I am essentially boiling down to is that those who feel they need LoA are actually creating an inner conflict as to their internal perception of what they believe Life should be demonstrating towards them, or giving them, rather than being content with Life as it is currently existing around them.

Being a Master of LoA can be interpreted in two ways; Those who know how to instantly manifest anything they could possibly desire, and those who don't need to manifest a God damn thing. Haha you seem to believe you fall into the later category.

There are very few people on Earth who are able to manifest their way past a Chaotic Node or severe pre-destined downturn in their life. Ascension is the process of increased vibrational frequency, and we have to figuratively hit the ground before we jump upwards to achieve such a result. When something negative happens in our Life we react in a couple of ways; firstly in a negatively responsive manner, secondly trying to remedy the discrepancies of emotions we are currently experiencing, finally in a newly attuned 'normal'.

The first type of Master of LoA would try and manifest positivity, health, and wealth into their Life once the first negative onset was experienced. This act in itself would create a negative inner conflict, as the Master is now distinguishing a negative difference between that which they are currently experiencing and that which would like to happen. The second type of Master would just experience the full brute force of the negative experience, justifying the fact that this is something they need to experience and therefore satisfied with whatever presents itself.

This presents a very unique situation. Ascended Masters who have the full power to instantly manifest anything they could possibly desire, but chose not to for the risk of demonstrating a skill that does truly not lead to enlightenment but rather something of the near complete opposite.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by Midnite

There are very few people on Earth who are able to manifest their way past a Chaotic Node or severe pre-destined downturn in their life. Ascension is the process of increased vibrational frequency, and we have to figuratively hit the ground before we jump upwards to achieve such a result. When something negative happens in our Life we react in a couple of ways; firstly in a negatively responsive manner, secondly trying to remedy the discrepancies of emotions we are currently experiencing, finally in a newly attuned 'normal'

Funny you mention that, because I had to hit absolute rock-bottom before I changed my life around. I wasnt homeless or anything like that, but my life was in complete tatters.

I'll spare you all the details, however

Originally Posted by Midnite

The first type of Master of LoA would try and manifest positivity, health, and wealth into their Life once the first negative onset was experienced. This act in itself would create a negative inner conflict, as the Master is now distinguishing a negative difference between that which they are currently experiencing and that which would like to happen

I dont understand what you mean with the bolded part

Originally Posted by Midnite

This presents a very unique situation. Ascended Masters who have the full power to instantly manifest anything they could possibly desire, but choose not to for the risk of demonstrating a skill that does truly not lead to enlightenment but rather something of the near complete opposite

Yes, I read that about the highest Ascended Masters, they could easily turn the Empire State building upside down, or they could enter the UFC and kick everyone's ass, but it wouldnt prove anything, plus its likely have a negative counter-effect because he/she is abusing their powers

[Weaver]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Weaver - Humans are composed of a soul and a body. Angels don't have a soul like humans do, but are composed of energy and consciousness. They don't need to incarnate through another person to have a physical form - they can just take a form (like an ascended master), depending on what is needed at the time. They did not start out like us and move on to a higher state - they are actually different beings. And they can have a variety of functions like being midwives to help humans make the death transition, or helping with healing. There are some angels that have nothing to do with humans, and our doing all kinds of work regarding the rest of the solar system, galaxy, etc, and others that are specifically devoted to helping with out with the human experience as spirit guides, helpers, inspiration, healers, etc. They can also be called upon in prayer to help manifest our needs.

We tend to think that they are "higher" or more advanced than us because their vibratory rate is higher than our physical realm (the astral realms), and we also sometimes think a non-physical being is more knowing - that's not the case. Our souls are the highest form of energetic consciousness - not less than an angel. Does that help?.

Thanks Chris... and Weena, i understand exactly what you mean. thanks for taking the time to explain.

Chris, about what you said about angels being called upon in prayer to help manifest our needs. well, can they assist us with ascension? if yes, which angels can help?
Also, while on the subject of angels... does it mean anything to have a type of connection to certain angels? like for example, i have always had a thing for Archangel Raziel.

Originally Posted by Frisky

I dont understand what you mean with the bolded part

Frisky, i may be wrong but i think what Midnite means is that... those that choose to make their lives better are like "running away" in fear from the things they perceive as bad. this fear which is of a negative vibration then affects you negatively. however, those that choose to learn from the things which are perceived as bad, they are like thankful for them, they love bad experiences because they help them become stronger (higher?). anyway, this love which is of a positive vibration then affects us positively.

I will now let Midnite explain what he really means. i was just in the mood to give it a go lol.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by Weaver

those that choose to learn from the things which are perceived as bad, they are like thankful for them, they love bad experiences because they help them become stronger (higher?)

You can count me in with this group

[spacecadetglow]

Hey Chris, Pisces brother! Good to read you again.

I wanted to get your input on physical symptoms and ascension. For the past few months, I've been having stomach/nausea/appetite problems. When I sit down to eat I can only eat a little bit, then I get nauseous. The only thing that seems to help with this is the green. I have a hunch it's stress related, that's why I haven't been to the doctor. I really doubt it's anything serious. But it is kind of a pain in the arse. Any tips on how to deal with physical symptoms related to ascension, or when they will subside?

[ChrisL]

Midnite - There are all kinds of reasons an angel might show up to help out. Looking at the Bible, we see examples of comforting others, announcing a great event, helping to be released from prison (i.e. Peter), etc. We might run into someone at a bookstore, on the bus, at the supermarket, and a few words from them help us shift our perspective or inspire us in a certain direction. And there are rites that can be used to call on angels/demons for specific purposes. There are books out there if you're interested in that kind of thing.

Lukas - Try this. Imagine that you only have 1 year to live. And don't focus on the fear/doubt - have to say goodbye to everyone, do all the things I want to do, etc. Make a list of 5-10 ways of being, the most important qualities that you want to embody in your remaining time (i.e. being loving, present, powerful, etc). Then choose one that feels like it encompasses the rest, or that you resonate with the most, or that you want to embody the strongest. Just be honest with yourself - you can do it.

Weaver - Before we incarnate, we all set up a team of spirit guides to help us on our journey. These can include ascended masters, enlightened masters, humans (i.e. relatives, friends, loved ones from other lifetimes), angels, pan realm beings. We have master guides that stay with us our entire life, and other guides that come and go depending on our needs - so we can call on our team of guides, even if we don't know their names, to help us with anything in our lives. And we still need to be proactive ourselves. It's a both-and situation.

What I recommend is choosing an ascended master that we feel particularly attracted to for whatever reason (i.e. Quan Yin, Buddha, St Germain, Jeshua, Mary, Kuthumi, Lanello, Djwhal Khul, etc), and direct our prayers toward them to help us in the process. The reason for this is that they are human just like us, and intimately understand the ascension process by experience. If we feel a pull toward any specific angel, particularly any Archangel, then we can call on them for assistance in the ascension process as well.

Just like with ascended masters, we can feel an affinity toward a certain angel for characteristics that they radiate. Take a look at that particular angel and see what the attraction is.

Space - Hey Amy - glad to connect again!

Just for clarity - what many people out there are calling ascension symptoms is really us moving through the stages of conflict release/self knowledge, on our way toward self realization and enlightenment. I've said this before on some thread, but an example of an ascension "symptom" is when the soul temporarily leaves the body so that the body can realize that is a soul in it's own right. That happens near the end of the process. Other actual signs/symptoms could include a desire to be alone, or perhaps relate more with animals than humans. There can be a diminished desire to speak and to be very direct when we do.

You're right - it feels like stress/anxiety started all this. You might have an ulcer, so I would get this checked out just in case. When we hold onto anything long enough energetically, and we don't release it, it starts permeating into the physical body to try and get released. For you in particular, I would recommend some Holotropic breathwork to release some of this on an energetic level so you're not affected by it physically. If we really have a lot of internal conflict/stress/fear, then the stuck energy can manifest as things like cancer.

Any physical symptoms we have are just a mirror for more internal issues. It really helps to know ourselves intimately - hopes, fears, judgements, core beliefs, where we negate ourselves, where we're in denial, where we react/respond, etc. Then if we can align our thoughts, feelings, words and actions, the energy has a chance to move so that it doesn't infiltrate into our physical form. Once we "out" ourselves by knowing ourselves and giving ourselves what we need in the moment, much if not all of the physical symptoms go away.

Stress can also kick in our epigenetics - traits which only show up from genetics when we have stress. Again, finding ways to take care of ourselves, like we would take care of our child/partner, will stop the epigenetic symptoms as well. Any forms of meditation/prayer and supportive resources that align us can also be really helpful - breathing techniques, music, dance, relationships, sports, performing or creative arts, movement, community rituals, massage, etc. All kinds of personal support, healing techniques, coaching, group support, therapy, creative expression - can be helpful.

Completely releasing the past, moving beyond social consciousness (i.e. being internally validating), and stepping into a new vision of ourselves helps a ton.

When things like this subside is totally up to the individual. When we're out of conflict, when we can fulfill our desires - either by unifying our thoughts, feelings, words and actions, or by actually doing whatever it is that will complete them consciously - then the symptoms subside. So the symptoms are actually showing us where we are resisting ourselves, which in that case, we should treat it like a flag showing us where the buried treasure is.

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Midnite - There are all kinds of reasons an angel might show up to help out. Looking at the Bible, we see examples of comforting others, announcing a great event, helping to be released from prison (i.e. Peter), etc. We might run into someone at a bookstore, on the bus, at the supermarket, and a few words from them help us shift our perspective or inspire us in a certain direction. And there are rites that can be used to call on angels/demons for specific purposes. There are books out there if you're interested in that kind of thing.

Have you ever heard of them coming to stay? Possibly chose to incarnate and embody themselves to then progress to an Ascended Master level.

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by Midnite

This act in itself would create a negative inner conflict, as the Master is now distinguishing a negative difference between that which they are currently experiencing and that which would like to happen

Originally Posted by Frisky

I dont understand what you mean with the bolded part

This is a very difficult area to tread as many people currently respect LoA like Gospel itself. It is one of the first lures that spirituality offers, the free t-shirt and coffee mug when you sign your name down the bottom of the Spirituality and Psychic Clause. However it is exactly as I just described it; a lure. The essence of being in control of your Life is fantastic, it offers an incredible amount of self realization and conscious awakening, in fact it even kind of gives us this 'I'm a Creator' feeling. Completely inadequate for the qualities of Ascension nonetheless..

Unconditional Love is almost a prerequisite to Ascension. To Love the world around you unconditionally to such a level that your vibrational frequency increases dramatically. Not Conditional Love - only Love that which you deem fit for loving, or that which matches something to be worthy of being loved. LoA is essentially about attracting things which you believe are positively accentuating. I seriously doubt many people here are intentionally attracting negative things into their Life. Creating 'the perfect world' for yourself is fine, but as I just mentioned it promotes Conditional Love based on what you believe should be, rather than what is. It takes a lot of lifetimes to realize this.

If you currently believe God/Source/Creator is only comprised of Light or Positivity, then you are sadly mistaken. We live in a Duality; that which is bound to two polar opposite forces. To exclude one half as non-God would be a fruitless act in itself. To Unconditionally Love both halves would require the spiritual maturity of the Ascended Masters themselves, and that is exactly why they get to the point they are currently at.

There are a lot of people out there trying to recreate the world around them, attract money, health, wealth, job promotions, relationships, etc, etc, etc. Much of the time this is satisfying egotistical or emotional based feelings, even more frequently not progressing past this point because the rest of spirituality isn't catering to exactly this. It is the reason for why I call it a lure rather than any kind of end-product.

By all means experiment and decide what you find to be the best match for what you currently want to pursue.

[ChrisL]

Midnite - That's not my experience of them as they have a different way of advancing. The angels dedicated to the human experience are more guardians and helpers, rather than signing-on for the direct experience.

To even embark on the human track and then go into the ascension track, they would first have to become a soul, which they are not. Then they would have to enjoin with another soul to create the necessary dynamics to incarnate. An ascended master could reincarnate if they wanted to, because they already have the requisite energy dynamics necessary.

There are only 2 ways that I know of for a soul to be originated. One way is that we are a soul from our first moment of creation (i.e. we are a soul which originated from another star system like Pleiades, Orion, Sirius, etc). Another way is that we were a body and evolved, having gone through various lifetimes, and before that, having gone through all the stages of development - mineral, plant, animal, then human. Then as a body, at some point we partner with a soul over and over again to help us with the ascension process. The timing varies with each soul/body. Once another soul helps the body goes through the ascension process, the body evolves and becomes a soul, which can then incarnate and help with other ascensions just like any other soul.

[Midnite]

Chris what truly differentiates one conscious energy from another conscious energy other than experience itself? I am trying to figure out if it's possible for one form of conscious energy to adapt itself rather than re-set itself through an entire dimensional reconfiguration as you mentioned above. I agree with what you are saying, for a brief moment of time I was confusing Angelic-type entities for the Angels themselves, which gives rise to quite a bit of difference really.

I just thought out the answer to my own question.. haha

I am currently of the belief that the soul as we currently know it is actually an essence of our greater Creator-selves currently being 'babysitted' into fruition. I think I can now understand why a product of the construct of the Creation is not on the same course as the Creator-selves who are here for the real deal.