Anyone read The Urantia Book?

[MasterRishi]

Hey all, it's been a while since I've had the chance to post. This has been such a crazy month. I was hit by a car while riding my bike to work on 10/28, so I've been going through lots of physical therapy for that. Then we were notified a week later that we needed to move out of our house by the end of November, so we spent a few weeks running around trying to get a place secured and the money to move in. On top of that, the last two three weeks at work have been crazy as they're doing a lot of personnel changes and they weren't sure where I was going to go for a while. For a few days I wasn't even sure if I would still have a job, but everything has finally calmed down and is starting to level out. So for all those people who are still waiting for a reading from me, I apologize for the delays, but life has been a nonstop circus for a little while now. Things are back to a reasonable pace, so I will spend this weekend on the couch relaxing and opening my mind to see if I can provide some of you some guidance in your lives. Thanks so much for all the positive feedback so far, I'm happy to see that I'm able to provide you with some guidance during hard times or just a little direction through uncertainty.

Now to my actual post, I've been reading The Urantia book for quite a while now and I was curious to see if anyone else has ever taken a look at it. There are so many interesting insights into the nature of reality and the fullness of our existence as learning, growing spiritual beings. I'd love to open up a discussion with anyone who has read it or recommend the book to anyone open to the ideas presented within.

[desertrat]

I have seen it for sale in new age book stores , but it is too thick a book for me to pick up and read . It has been discussed on this forum before and hear Urantia Book - Interfaith forums desert rat

[ChrisL]

I've read some of the beginning and middle sections, and all of the end section relating to Jeshua, Mary and the gang - mostly to check to see how consistent it was with what was being shown in the Akashic Records.

[cheesedip1]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I've read some of the beginning and middle sections, and all of the end section relating to Jeshua, Mary and the gang - mostly to check to see how consistent it was with what was being shown in the Akashic Records.

Well? Was it consistent?

[ChrisL]

Not consistent enough for me.

Originally John the Baptist and Jeshua would have created a spiritual network and ongoing mystery school to help those interested in the gnostic understanding. John the Baptist got killed which was unexpected, and Jeshua decided to go on the "fast track" toward ascension - not eating much and meditating quite a bit. The original plan was to help the whole group ascend together after many years - at least in that lifetime it didn't happen en masse. Other group ascensions have occurred on the planet, including a group down in the Yucatan Peninsula where scientists are still trying to decide what happened to the people.

Mary of Sephoris, his mother, had her own group of disciples, but Jeshua was chosen as the wayshower since letting a female be the lead in those days would not have worked. The females in the Urantia book are not given enough credit for their work and their spiritual understanding. Nothing could have succeeded without their structure, support, knowing. Even when the male disciples had doubts, the women kept things together, including denying Paul and the Romans access to the deeper understanding.

Everything was carefully planned out so that all the prophecies were fulfilled. All the disciples knew their roles, including Judas pretending to betray, Peter denying, the crucifixion, the rock being rolled away from the tomb, everything. Judas knew that he was going to be the "fall guy" and was alright with his role. Mary and the women disciples helped support him financially after the ascension, and the apostle John was in consistent contact with him for years.

After the ascension everyone scattered because they knew they would be hunted down. Jeshua went with Joseph of Arimathea (his uncle) and started a mystery school in England. Mary Magdalene went with their children and lived in southern France. Mary of Sephoris, Jeshua's mother, went to Turkey where she ascended. The disciples went to various countries where they each had their missions which they had been briefed on.

The intention of moving to Europe was to start a grail bloodline lineage which could then stop the wars by introducing enlightened leadership as the rulers of the countries of Europe. The Church was originally designed to help protect the descendants of Jeshua and Mary Magdalene, and help bring about a unified Europe, but after awhile they got greedy and wanted the power for themselves. So the whole movement had to go underground and the bloodline had to become more secretive to be protected.

[VinceG]

Upon seeing this thread, I did a little basic research, by looking at the text of book to get a feel for it, and looking on the Internet for any applicable Hawkins' calibrations.

I came to the conclusion that the Urantia book is not the best book to go through looking for spiritual truths. It's much denser than it needs to be, that's a sign that it's trying to answer too many 'low' questions. The more time you spend with it, the more your consciousness will start to resonate on that level than on the infinite effervescence of deity and Oneness.

Those merely interested in satisfying their curiosity on these topics, will find halfway-decent answers in the book, but having the answers and pursuing a spiritual lifestyle are very different. It's very easy for a seeker to progress from this book to lower frames like ET possession and abduction and other such distractions.

[Harmonium]

Lower frames? Could you elaborate Vince? I'm interested in what you have to say about ET's, abductions, stuff like that in general. Maybe you could start a new thread if that would be a lengthy post.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Harmonium

Lower frames? Could you elaborate Vince? I'm interested in what you have to say about ET's, abductions, stuff like that in general. Maybe you could start a new thread if that would be a lengthy post.

Heh, no need, what I have to say on the subject is short and simple. Avoid thinking about it, don't lend weight to things specifically designed to drain your energy. Focus on positive, life-affirming directions. When you're ready to deal with such subjects, they'll be presented to you in ways that increase your understanding rather than decrease it.

If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to address them.

[cheesedip1]

Originally Posted by VinceG

If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to address them.

What about the Urantia book is true and what isnt? Is a thought adjuster real?

What did the real jesus do and what was he like compared to the one they describe in the book?

It says in the Urantia book that Jesus turned water into wine, but he didnt MEAN TO. It just happened because he thought about it, and it manifested.

I know these type of questions may be irrelevant. I just wish to know what the real Jesus was like etc.


Hmm....well I guess wondering what Jesus DID and DIDNT DO , to some extent, may just be a distraction or a waste of time. I still wish to know more of what he was like thought.

[cheesedip1]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Everything was carefully planned out so that all the prophecies were fulfilled. All the disciples knew their roles, including Judas pretending to betray.

So you're saying the Gospel of Judas was right? Judas betraying Jesus was a set-up?

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

What about the Urantia book is true and what isnt? Is a thought adjuster real?

What did the real jesus do and what was he like compared to the one they describe in the book?

It says in the Urantia book that Jesus turned water into wine, but he didnt MEAN TO. It just happened because he thought about it, and it manifested.

I know these type of questions may be irrelevant. I just wish to know what the real Jesus was like etc.


Hmm....well I guess wondering what Jesus DID and DIDNT DO , to some extent, may just be a distraction or a waste of time. I still wish to know more of what he was like thought.

Err, I meant about ETs and the like. I haven't read the Urantia book more than a page or two and I don't plan on continuing. Like I said, too dense for the little spiritual insight it promises for someone at my level.

[VinceG]

About the wine thing, though, I find that plausible. Such a thing would come as a surprise to anyone.

[HiImJeremy]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Like I said, too dense for the little spiritual insight it promises for someone at my level.

Gosh, blowing your own horn there lol.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by HiImJeremy

Gosh, blowing your own horn there lol.

Oh yeah.

[ChrisL]

Cheesedip1 - It's been a long time since I've read it, so I'd have to go back and see what is accurate, which I don't really feel like doing because it's too much work. I'll share some of what I know.

As a child Jeshua was so shy and not into the sports and rough-housing that other boys were into, that he literally had to have bodyguards, boys a little older than him to look out for him. He had mastered the scriptures at a very early age - that part is true.

He traveled with his family at a young age up until just before he started publicly teaching, to countries like India (Kashmir), Turkey, Greece, Africa (Ethiopia and Egypt). He learned all kinds of things and gave back his wisdom to each mystic/school that he worked with.

His teachings were more eastern in concept than many were comfortable with in the Middle-East. The concept of not struggling but rather merging dualities to transform energy (ie. if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek) was so radically different in the Mid-East that few really understood it at the time, even the apostles. Most just wanted the Romans out and wanted Jeshua to lead the rebellion. Jeshua was interested in fullfilling the scriptures, the prophecies, so that people could let go of the past and focus on the present - specifically releasing conflict, knowing themselves, to transform and live conscious, effortless lives. A radically different concept than the "might make right" attitude that was prevalent at the time.

If you read the "Sermon on the Mount", you get a real flavor and essence of what Jeshua said and how he taught. He mostly taught in parables and stories with the crowds, but then spoke directly to the apostles and disciples who sincerely wanted to know the truth.

In terms of doing "miracles", he was almost shy about doing them, because he knew that every time he did, people made him special, and it created a seperation between him and others - the very thing he was trying so hard not to do. So when the disciples or others pleaded for miracles, he would say something like "Wasn't the last one enough?"

He did actually do several things that were considered miraculous (i.e. turning water into wine, manifesting the loaves and fish, resurrecting Lazarus from the dead, healing others of blindness), but there were also things that were stories that were later considered to be true but weren't. For example, one disciple had a dream that Jeshua was walking on water to him while he was on a boat, but that story later was considered real.

Another misunderstanding was that Jeshua got angry at the Temple when he threw out the money-lenders and vendors. That's not true. Since he was from the House of David, he owned the land under the Temple, and as per Judaic law at the time, the only way to get rid of them was to literally throw them off the property. There wasn't enough room in the Temple for people to hear the sermons with all the money-lenders, vendors, etc.

There were many things that Jeshua could have done that he purposefully did not. The disciples would say something like "Just let the Romans see the Legions of angels you command. Just let them see it and they would start disarming!" And he would say something like "No. If I do that then nothing else can be done. I become more important than the message." And when they asked to be able to do miracles he would say something like "Don't worry about being able to do miracles...you're going to be able to do that. If you want a real miracle, show someone the truth that they are, emphasize their truth, help people to know themselves, acknowledge their truth and give them a greater truth".

Judas wasn't the only one who had a role - everyone involved knew their role and played it out, before the crucifixion, during, and after the ascension. Jeshua used the Akashic Records to help heal and empower others, including the disciples, whom he told about the future, including world wars, etc. The most notable account was when he talked with the woman at the well, in which he not only told her about her life, but what it was like to be a woman.

[VinceG]

I've long thought, since I studied it, that Judas was just fulfilling a role and the entire series of events up to and including the crucifixion was, not just allowed, but orchestrated by Jesus and his disciples, in the same way that Gandhi orchestrated the liberation of India. This is the first time I've heard someone else verify that. Thanks Chris!

[cheesedip1]

Chris, do you want to go into greater detail? What you have to say sounds fascinating....

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by cheesedip1

Chris, do you want to go into greater detail? What you have to say sounds fascinating....

You might try a more specific question...

[cheesedip1]

-Did Jesus really suffer from the crucifixion? I'm guessing he was at such a level of enlightenment that he didn't identify with the body?

-What was some of Jesus' last acts on the Earth in that lifetime?

[ChrisL]

Vince - Yes you're right, very much orchestrated for very specific reasons - to help people focus on what was really important and let go of what was getting in the way.

Cheesedip1 - You're on the right track. When we have allowed that level of consciousness to come through us, then we can turn off the body's senses at will. There was no pain from the nails, the spear, or the crown of thorns. It's easy for religion to use the pain as another way to make people feel guilty - Jesus suffered and died for you. Jeshua helped to create and use the energy of the drama around him - the conflict in the Sanhedrin, not answering Pontius Pilate who pleaded with him to just say anything so he could release him, and the people in the street who were crying, laughing, cursing, etc - to help with the ascension. When we know how to use energy, then everything coming towards us is a gift of energy. Martial arts masters know this, as well as mystics.

Jeshua is still on the planet helping out, like a lot of ascended masters. He quietly goes about the business of helping others.

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

the crucifixion

I have a very specific question here Chris, and I am not sure you are able to answer this, however I want to see where this will take me.

When Jesus was crucified, was there a particular soldier who would pass up water to Jesus and generally comfort him whenever he was stationed on that hill?

[ChrisL]

Midnite - There was a Roman centurion who periodically took a sponge full of water and sour wine, placed it on the tip of his spear, and held it up to Jeshua so that he could drink. One of the horrible parts of being crucified is the dehydration and suffocating from the weight of our own body. There were actually more than a few Romans who were not just sympathetic but had heard sermons and were genuinely interested. Pontius Pilate was looking for any excuse not to order his crucifixion, as he was conscious enough to see that Jeshua was a mystic and not just one in a long line of pretenders. There were quite a few people in the crowd that wanted to help, but with the Romans guarding the site, and with the Sannhedrin wanting him gone, not much could be done besides watching.

The disciples were all around interspersed within the crowd, with a few people like Mary of Sephoris, Mary Magdalene, James and John Zebedee at the foot of the cross helping to collect the energy of the crowd and direct it toward Jeshua for the ascension process. James bribed the guards not to break Jeshua's legs, as that was one way to help the crucified person die quicker.

It can take quite awhile to die from crucifixion, and Jeshua was taken down off the cross before he died and placed into Joseph of Arimathea's tomb where he could be undisturbed to finish the ascension. At some point during the ascension process, the soul needs to leave the body so that the body can see itself becoming a soul in its own right. This can look like death. Any touch from another person who doesn't want to see this transformation (i.e. disciples not understanding the process) can disturb the process, which is why when Jeshua came out of the tomb and hadn't fully ascended yet he said to his partner Mary Magdalene "Don't touch me. I'm not yet fully ascended". James Zebedee also bribed the guards to leave the cemetery so that the rocks could be rolled away from the tomb, making it look like a resurrection.

There were Romans that became converts after this whole event, and worked with the larger group of disciples not just in Israel, but in other parts of the known world. Some of the Roman converts actually were in and around Rome, where at times the Christians were rounded up and fed to the lions. What most people don't know is that if you're enlightened, it's very difficult to get an animal, a lion in this case, to attack you. Not only do they not see any conflict in you but you're resonating with them at a very deep level. There were literally times when the lions simply wouldn't attack the people in the arena - they had to be provoked and stirred up, which also transformed the people in the stadium watching. Think about it - just watching the movie Gandhi gets people teary-eyed when the British soldiers or Home Guard are beating on the protestors. Imagine what happens when you see lions being provoked to kill peaceful, loving people - sometimes whole families. I get tears just writing it.

PS - I don't want to hijack this thread for people who want support around the Urantia book, so I'm moving my comments over to the Ascension Process - Questions and Support thread. If you have questions about Jeshua/Mary, ascension, post them over there. Thanks!