ascension?

[nama adrift]

so i have been hearing a lot about ascension-planetary and individual. i have also noticed a few people who seem to not want to do it... i am curious, why wouldn't you? maybe a dumb question, but just curious.

[supremeDMK]

It's not that I don't want to do it but more that I don't really care for all the hype around it.
Besides, I haven't felt any different so I continue meditation and training my mind. If something happens then I go with the flow and if it doesn't then I stay where I am.

[nama adrift]

i suppose i should have also included why would you want to in my original post... i just don't really know enough about it to tell either way. though your answer makes a lot of sense, and i do agree that there seems to be a lot of hype around it.

[supremeDMK]

I have read about it in the two weeks before 11/11 however I have yet to notice the pattern of 11/11 so it didn't live with me anyway.

However I do wonder if the hype around it is healthy because ascension should take years of work and not a couple of months of meditation. It would be akin to attend the world championship for weightlifters as a contender for me (as in I would litteraly break every bone in my body).

What do you think?

[What3ver]

SupremeDMK, it's been said that Ascension's been in the works for tens or hundreds of years already. Preparations?

I personally believe no Ascensions. The world has always been like this: crap, cruel etc. It's part of the package. Humans are what they are and when I look around I highly doubt they'd become all lovey-dovey. It's always been like this, why should it change now?

It's not gonna happen. And I think deep down many know it's just wishful thinking. An escapism from reality.

[alphamind]

If when we were a kid, and there were no grown ups...then one day somebody came and said to us, hey, one day you're all gonna grow up! What would we think? Would it be any different than "ascension?"

Little would we know we were already growing up.

[royster]

There are natural ascensions we experience as human forms, most noteably puberty. When we were 6 or 7, we really had no grasp of what was about to happen to us, but then we turned 11 or so and it began...with or without our approval.

The spiritual ascension many are experiencing is the further growing and maturing toward the greater universe and the wonders there. No one is required to ascend...you can stay on the lower 3rd dimension frequencies as long as you need to. But you should also know that when you're ready, you are free to begin learning higher truths and realities which cannot be accomodated by base-vibrational reality. You will also begin to understand the capacities the human form possesses: they remain dormant until such time as you decide to grow further.

I assure you: I spent a whole lot of time in the lower-vibrational frequencies, so I tell you from personal experience - you can stay in this mind set as long as you need to. Until you feel confident that ascension isn't a trick, you probably need the safe harbor of this base reality, and that is no disgrace.

[supremeDMK]

Originally Posted by What3ver

SupremeDMK, it's been said that Ascension's been in the works for tens or hundreds of years already. Preparations?

I personally believe no Ascensions. The world has always been like this: crap, cruel etc. It's part of the package. Humans are what they are and when I look around I highly doubt they'd become all lovey-dovey. It's always been like this, why should it change now?

It's not gonna happen. And I think deep down many know it's just wishful thinking. An escapism from reality.

I was just saying that ascension is a personal experience that is not dictated by a cosmic flick of the switch. Ascension/enlightenment is possible but for now not on a worldwide level, just a couple of people here and there. We need all the negative things you called in order to achieve it.

[ALLisWELL]

To ascend simply means to go up, or to climb, as in a mountain. When one acheives a higher vantage point, it gains a more vast understanding. Who shall better see the lay of the land: he who can see to the horizon in all directions from atop the summit, or he who stands deep in the forest below? We are not, and have never been, victims, but create our realities through our perspective alone. If I feel powerless, I will live a life that holds this perception as my reality. If I feel powerful, then I will live a powerful existence. We "sign up" for the experiences we come to know in each lifetime before entering the physical plane through birth. The free will is how the pieces of ourselves that inhabit these host bodies perceives the unfolding of the loosely bound contract, a perception that can change the contract as we progress- the future (and in many cases the past) is a malleable energy. At any point in time, we can choose one of an infinite collection of possible timelines. Time is but a necessary illusion, a movement of consciousness through a chain of moments.

Ascension is the destiny of all beings in the universe, if not in this particular place and timeline, then another. Love is all that is Truth. We have created the illusion of suffering to better understand love; without knowing thirst, we cannot fully understand having an abundance of water. The only true affliction in the universe is the illusion of the separation from God, all suffering comes from this. Ascension is to realize this illusion as such.

[ALLisWELL]

Originally Posted by ALLisWELL

To ascend simply means to go up, or to climb, as in a mountain. When one acheives a higher vantage point, it gains a more vast understanding. Who shall better see the lay of the land: he who can see to the horizon in all directions from atop the summit, or he who stands deep in the forest below? We are not, and have never been, victims, but create our realities through our perspective alone. If I feel powerless, I will live a life that holds this perception as my reality. If I feel powerful, then I will live a powerful existence. We "sign up" for the experiences we come to know in each lifetime before entering the physical plane through birth. The free will is how the pieces of ourselves that inhabit these host bodies perceives the unfolding of the loosely bound contract, a perception that can change the contract as we progress- the future (and in many cases the past) is a malleable energy. At any point in time, we can choose one of an infinite collection of possible timelines. Time is but a necessary illusion, a movement of consciousness through a chain of moments.

Ascension is the destiny of all beings in the universe, if not in this particular place and timeline, then another. Love is all that is Truth. We have created the illusion of suffering to better understand love; without knowing thirst, we cannot fully understand having an abundance of water. The only true affliction in the universe is the illusion of the separation from God, all suffering comes from this. Ascension is to realize this illusion as such.

As an addition to my reply (I forgot to mention):

The experiences we sign up for mirror our perceptions across lifetimes. All experience is a chance to bring our shadows into light. All experience is a chance to find our power, each time we grow or come to some realization, we ascend. Life in itself, is a process of ascension. This ascension can take lifetimes or can occur in a single life. Its all a matter of how, when, and why we learn to progress our perceptions toward self-realization.

[royster]

ALLisWELL, you couldn't have said it any more accurately.

[ChrisL]

Nama Adrift - Thanks for starting this thread. With so much information out there, it can be difficult to discern what is real and practical to apply to our lives, and what is wishful thinking. I was first introduced to the concepts of ascension about 24 years ago when I was working with a mystic who was clarifying the concepts at a healing and practical mystery center. This is just my experience, which I hope will act as a catalyst for you discovering more for yourself.

Starting out at the basic level of self knowledge, mystics and mystery schools have emphasized the importance of knowing and accepting ourselves. After we get the ball rolling through self knowledge, there are several levels of consciousness that we move through before coming to enlightenment - the consistent state of no internal conflict. At this level, we are able to consistently live from the Oversoul position, meaning we have access to all of the wisdom from all of our lifetimes, plus we have an expanded sense of body awareness.

The majority of enlightened individuals are quietly going about their lives without much fanfare - they are not being enlightened masters out in public like a Yogananda, Osho, Pir Vilayat, Gurdjieff, etc. They are all over the world, working in all kinds of careers, enjoying life from a conflict-free state.

After enlightenment, we start having an experience beyond time and space, meaning we not only have an experience beyond what our senses usually pick up, but we start having an experience of other parallel dimensions. There are 33 parallel dimensions that we can be aware of, and 12 known universes.

Then we come to the decision of ascension. Typically, the process of ascension can take lifetimes, as a body and soul will pair up together and incarnate various times. The most public example of this that we have right now is the Dalai Lama - 14 times with the same body-soul signature.

Ascension is literally us as a soul, raising the physical vibratory rate of the body, so that it can become a soul in it's own right. The benefit for the soul would be that it wouldn't have to keep being born to have a physical body - it can simply use the blueprint of the ascended body to form whatever physical form it wants. The benefit for the body is that now it has evolved into a new eternal experience as a soul - a combination of energy and consciousness, which can now embark on a series of adventures just like any other soul, including incarnating.

At this point in our spiritual path, ascension is not the only option. There are other options we can choose.

There is no "downside" to ascending - it's simply another experience. After ascension you don't have to leave the planet if you don't want to - you can still hang around on the earth and help out. There are ascended masters who have been secretly helping for many years - even thousands of years.

And there are even more levels of love/understanding beyond ascension. There are 21 levels of human consciousness that we can be aware of, and ascension is only at the 7th level. One enlightened mystic explained to me in the 90's that Jesus currently is at the 14th level - if that helps to get a comparison as to how much further we can still progress.

I haven't been reading so much about the various ascension hype information, so I don't know what is being spread around. One of the things that has come up for years is that we will magically transform and ascend, which is highly unlikely if we haven't even taken the beginning steps to know ourselves and release our conflict. And the funny thing is that the more we concentrate on being ourselves and just being present, the less we care about the various levels of progression.

It is true that there are some wonderful energies on the planet now which are shifting our consciousness - especially over the last 500 years. It is literally bringing up any unfinished stuff that we need to look at. If we deny or resist knowing ourselves, we continue the internal struggle. When we are willing to know/accept ourselves, then we have a chance at becoming enlightened, and perhaps ascending.

[Lukas]

It's almost the norm that people present their points of view instead simply referring to the original question.

I'd ascend, because it looks to me as an exciting experience - especially on this planet to grow out of the old world view into something new while holding a physical body. From what I know it's a rare opportunity to do it in this way, so why not have a unique experience. It looks to me like the scenic route, I hope my other lifetimes are working on integration as well, so I've less to do

[What3ver]

Originally Posted by supremeDMK

I was just saying that ascension is a personal experience that is not dictated by a cosmic flick of the switch. Ascension/enlightenment is possible but for now not on a worldwide level, just a couple of people here and there. We need all the negative things you called in order to achieve it.

Yeah well, there are talks about a worldwide ascension. The earth moving to 5th something something and stuff like that. if it was just a couple of people they could just ascend on the spot and not have to wait for some magical date and year number. Personally I do not believe there's a single human out there who'd be ascension material.

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by nama adrift

so i have been hearing a lot about ascension-planetary and individual. i have also noticed a few people who seem to not want to do it... i am curious, why wouldn't you? maybe a dumb question, but just curious.

As someone who has experienced a hell of a lot of the lower astrals, there is actually quite a heirarchy of 'unascended' beings who like to remain here. The path to the Light would love us to Ascend into a higher frequency Being who values core states of existence such as Unconditional Love. However for those beings who would rather cling on to lower vibrational emotions such as anger, lust, saddness, depression, rage, etc, then you would be perfectly happy staying exactly where you are.

The higher your progress, the more difficult it is to express those lower vibrational emotions in any kind of dominant way, not only over yourself, but over other people as well. So far have some beings progressed in their lower vibrational ways that they have become very powerful and maintain positions very high up in the heirarchy. This may apply to negs or even humans who are currently in power. Once you have tasted the sweet embrace of power and conquest, very little will make you want to give it all away with everybody else in the higher astrals. In saying that, a few do actually decide to progress on into the 5th and puppeteer from there.

Ascension is not a choice. You don't decide one day 'I want to Ascend' and spontaneously become enlightened on the spot. It is a program. A program that spans multiple lifetimes on end until it completely breaks you down and re-structures you as something worth ascending.

[nama adrift]

thanks for all of the responses! it is really interesting to read everyone's different take on the subject.

[AngelPsychic444]

Originally Posted by ALLisWELL

To ascend simply means to go up, or to climb, as in a mountain. When one acheives a higher vantage point, it gains a more vast understanding. Who shall better see the lay of the land: he who can see to the horizon in all directions from atop the summit, or he who stands deep in the forest below? We are not, and have never been, victims, but create our realities through our perspective alone. If I feel powerless, I will live a life that holds this perception as my reality. If I feel powerful, then I will live a powerful existence. We "sign up" for the experiences we come to know in each lifetime before entering the physical plane through birth. The free will is how the pieces of ourselves that inhabit these host bodies perceives the unfolding of the loosely bound contract, a perception that can change the contract as we progress- the future (and in many cases the past) is a malleable energy. At any point in time, we can choose one of an infinite collection of possible timelines. Time is but a necessary illusion, a movement of consciousness through a chain of moments.

Ascension is the destiny of all beings in the universe, if not in this particular place and timeline, then another. Love is all that is Truth. We have created the illusion of suffering to better understand love; without knowing thirst, we cannot fully understand having an abundance of water. The only true affliction in the universe is the illusion of the separation from God, all suffering comes from this. Ascension is to realize this illusion as such.

That's a very good post on what ascension is....thanks for that!!!

[JagJ]

I thought Jesus was at level 19, or perhaps it was that he had 19 cycles. He had attaned such a high vibration, that he came back to life, and went to India where he worked as a healer. This is what they say in the Michael Teachings. I read Shepheard Hoodwin's book called The Journey of Your Soul. Interesting stuff.

[cheesedip1]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

And there are even more levels of love/understanding beyond ascension. There are 21 levels of human consciousness that we can be aware of, and ascension is only at the 7th level. One enlightened mystic explained to me in the 90's that Jesus currently is at the 14th level -.

I'm guessing after the 21st, there is always a higher level. (We keep growing. )

[ChrisL]

Cheesedip1 - 21 levels of HUMAN consciousness. You're right, we keep on going.