4 psychics - different readings

[lironil]

Hi there,

I've approached 4 different psychics (well, 2 were card readers) regarding my situation with a guy I like. They're all pretty famous for being accurate. But so far I got 3 different readings. Well, one of the card readers was talking about things that had happened and caused the problem and it was completely different to what the other card reader said. Also the other card reader gave me a timeframe and what to do while the other psychic (not card reader) told me a different timeframe and something a little different to do. Both those two also said a bit different reasons to why it all started.

I find it all so confusing, while I want to follow their advice (well the two that gave me advice) I find it difficult when I'm not even sure about the reason. I'm still waiting for the last psychic to reply of course..

Happened to anyone before?

[illbreaker]

Originally Posted by lironil

Hi there,

I've approached 4 different psychics (well, 2 were card readers) regarding my situation with a guy I like. They're all pretty famous for being accurate. But so far I got 3 different readings...

Happened to anyone before?

Yes.

[Slorri]

I believe that this is the way it works, and should work.
Readings are not in the realm of physics, with repeatable predictable patterns, but it's metaphysics, and the answers might be very surprising.

[lironil]

The question is then if I'm truly lost (hence the reason I turned to them in the first place) how will I know the answer.. I was less than surprised with a reading I got from the first reader I approached. But the one I got last night was so different to anything I expected or imagined, and to be honest, scared me a little (she suggested the guy is seeing at least 2 other women, when the first reader stated he isn't with or interested in anyone right now). Whereas the psychic I went to said he cared for me and opened up to me and didn't mention any interest in someone else..
So this is really quick confusing lol

[Ishh]

I know what you are going through... This is making things more complicated... I donot know If this will work but I feel you shall ask your own Spirit Guide for guidance.... Well I am not very sure but that s how I feel....

[dreamland]

This is the woman I really admire and know she is very honest....
I didn't get her reading or anything but I do read what she writes on another forum and like her very much...
Here is what she says and I agree with her....

Psychic has a bit of a rant. - YouTube

[Blue Sparks]

Money, what do you do with money? You pay an assassin money to commit murder, you bribe a politician or a judge with money to pervert justice and to make decisions in accordance with a criminals desire, with money you buy a Cadillac Escalade that gets 10 MPG and wrecks the quality of air for everyone.

Women are kidnapped by the busload, prostituted, wrecked emotionally and traumatized for this little thing called money, people are made into slaves and labored to death for the profits of others. Greed and lust for money is why America is in the shape it's in right now.

I have contemplated the evils throughout history done in the name of money and I find nothing pure about it, it corrupts the hearts and minds of people, it is inconceivable for me to sell an act of kindness for money.

Serving others with help and guidance, I find this to be a worthwhile pursuit, I see nothing evil or corrupt about doing such things, because when you help someone you do it out of genuine compassion and concern for that persons well being. But when you start trading what are supposed to be acts of compassion for money, your motives are no longer whole and genuine, the heart-felt compassion and concern for the other person is lessened and becomes tainted by the desire for your personal physical gain,.

In essence, you are trading a higher, spiritual act of helping others, for a lower, physical monetary gain, wealth. The two natures contradict each other. So you mix spiritually serving others with physical material gain, you get selfish-serving, it's a contradiction of the spirituality and goodness you so profess to adhere to.

But you don't need to charge money, because you will find that the reward felt in your spirit by serving another person with pure motives is far superior to that of gaining material wealth for the same act, though, in my opinion someone shouldn't serve or help another person spiritually for a reward or personal gain in the first place.

Put it this way,

Spiritually helping someone emotionally and mentally.
Physically mowing someones lawn.

you serve someone in spirit, you get paid in spirit
you mow somebody's lawn, you get paid with money.

Originally Posted by Bonadea

Why are they the only ones that should be expected to provide their gifts in life for free. You wouldn't expect someone who sings professional to do it for free. You wouldn't expect a doctor to work for free, a house cleaner, a dog walker.

Your comparing trivial acts like singing, cleaning a house and walking a dog to serving somebody mentally and emotionally.

Originally Posted by Bonadea

But like anything else, sometimes it's just nice to have someone else do it for you.

Spiritual development and personal growth isn't something you buy or have someone do for you.

[momo3bur]

Originally Posted by Blue Sparks

Money, what do you do with money? You pay an assassin money to commit murder, you bribe a politician or a judge with money to pervert justice and to make decisions in accordance with a criminals desire, with money you buy a Cadillac Escalade that gets 10 MPG and wrecks the quality of air for everyone.

Dude...I don't know what you're doing with your money, but I just pay my bills and buy food for my family.

If it could be possible to live without money in a comfortable way, I could understand, but especially here in America it is virtually impossible. So it's either offer services and make sure you give as much as you can, even if it means doing more than what was paid for, work in a job that is not fulfilling in anyway and not have time to do these things that you feel as if you're being called to do, or be homeless and do readings.

I mean seriously, I understand there is a point where it's abuse, but psychics have to eat too. If a person is willing to pay for the service, it's because they do value it and feel it's worth that. Money is only evil if you view it that way and use it that way. Money cannot be avoided in this society.

How are you paying for you internet service? Seriously. You must be making money somehow to be here. If a person has the ability to help others and others are willing to pay for that because they feel it is valuable, where is the evil in that? What about the people who pay $50 for a reading and are given advice that helps set then up financially for the rest of their lives? That $50 is NOTHING compared to how valuable the information that was given is.

I know a woman who has a client that she's basically helped become a millionaire. She's never asked money for her readings, but she is given donations. We'll just say after he was able to make this money, he's given her some large donations for her readings because he understood she NEEDED the money and she was spending her time and energy helping him, which he values greatly and has been worth much more to him than what he has paid for them.

[Bonadea]

Exactly if someone has the means to do so without having to charge, great.

But we all have bills to pay and someone can either work that into a profession to help people or not do it.

My friend does Reiki. She's very good at it, but because she's so afraid to take money for doing it, she keeps her day job and only does a few people when she can fit them in.

What a waste, all because people who think that because it's a gift, they shouldn't charge.

[HiImJeremy]

Blue Sparks

I think where you're at now in terms of consciousnes has brought you to this conclusion. With time and reflection, im certain you will change your mind. Allow me to raise these points.

You seem to think money is the evil thing. Money is a piece of paper and a number on a screen. It's worth represents our desires, goals, oppurtunities, possessions even. I think it's peoples relationship with money that can get out of hand. So, is the piece of paper evil? Sit back and ask yourself that question and really fairly consider it. Is the piece of paper what corrupts people or do people become corrupt for the money? A distinct difference.

Psychologists and counsellers recieve money to help people with problems. They go to study extensively and put time and effort into learning so they can help these people and so they can be worth something for their time.

Now psychologists help us mentally and emotionally. With your logic, their reward should just be their satisfaction with a job well done. You serve someone mentally and emotionally, you get paid in mental and emotional satisfaction. That's nice and all, but satisfaction in that client isn't going to hold up with the bank when they can't make a mortgage payment.


Psychics, though they are different to psychologists, are a little bit of an offshoot. Their goal primarily is to find where you're at right now, and how they can help you with some of the issues you have. To get to the point they're at ( the good ones) they needed training, a lot of effort and time. Someone comes for a reading, might gain a good deal of help, and then leave without paying. All good, spirit pays them right? Well, Spirit food might sound nice in theory, but it doesn't feed my family.

When you have a service performed for you, it is etiquette to give something in return. When you buy milk, you exchange a sum of money equal to that of the milk, so that you can recieve the milk.

When you have a psychic reading, it might be very nice to say they should be paid in spirit - but they don't feed you, clothe you and keep a roof over your head. It's about balance and it's about living.

If you can provide someone a service, while doing what you love and love what you're doing then it is an honorable thing to be able to live abundantly providing that service.

I notice in the spiritual community that we were all brought up in this sort of judeo christian consensus belief system that it's good and spiritual to be poor. I don't think this is the case at all, in fact money provides you with a lot of things. Better living conditions, being able to afford good food for a healthier diet, better education for our children, adding some fun into life and being a little more secure and confortable. What's so bad about having those things? Not everyone is evil. I think what you're saying is a little old fashion and a bit unfair.

[Blue Sparks]

Should I elaborate on every single little thing? You all seem to be missing the key point here. For the sake of keeping my argument brief I stated only one side of my view on money, but in no way do I believe money is the absolute evil and should be avoided at all cost. I believe in moderation, along the lines of "not taking more than what you need", I think it should be especially of concern to anyone on the spiritual path the corrupting effects money can have. But I have a bank account too. There's nothing bad about those things Jeremy, the point I've been trying to get across for three posts is that it is not a very good motive to help someone for your own personal gain, its a contradiction.

When you help someone it's not about you or your gain, but theirs. How have we confounded money, with acts of kindness? It's as if we are so lacking in concern for each other, that humanity needs an incentive to help and to better one another? Ironic seeing how one of the main New Age tenets is that of unconditional love, but here it's conditional love, based on how many hundreds of dollars your willing to spend? It is sad to see even the people that aren't selling their kindness, defend the people that are, and act almost as if selling and buying acts of kindness were a "cool fad". Has it really come to this?

I suppose that your ethics are subject to change if it were a fad of some sort, but this would be expected of a more mainstream audience who have no concept of philosophy what-so-ever or reason to be moral to their fellow creature, besides the fear of going to hell and jail.

But you guys are here obviously because you have at least somewhat woken up to the illusion of the "mainstream", and you study spiritualism. So how is it you guys can justify personal gain being a sound motive to do good and helpful things for one another? (Since "helpful things" is quite general, lets specify, emotional help and guidance.) If your sister or brother called you and was feeling terrible and needed some guidance, would you tell him/her to "book a session"? Of course not, you wouldn't make your own family pay. But aren't we all a part of the human family, Earth being our home?

The importance of money I believe has long been over-exaggerated. This is especially true in western society, obviously, it has come to a point where even the western spiritualists need an incentive to do something nice for their fellow creature. There is something fundamentally wrong here with the act (of selling kindness), and society as a whole, I just don't believe the two (money and kind acts) should be mixed. I'll close with a quote from the introduction of Thomas Paine's Common Sense essay.

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom."

I know you guys can get it.

[little missy]

I was once told that the universe does not recognise spiritual work unless there is some form of payment made.
It can be done many ways- be it a sincere thankyou or bartered items or money. They are all forms of payment.
I have always wanted to do spiritual work and am finally slowly coming out of the 'closet' and not worrying what my sceptical family think.
I am developing skills at the moment that I hope to one day be able to do face to face with people and will charge a fee of some kind.

How does one set a fair price?

A tarot card reader at a festival I went to recently set a price of $15 for a reading (which I thought was a fair price - she also works parttime) but others charge way more hefty prices ($100 or more).

I don't wish to offend anyone but have been curious about this for a long time.

Originally Posted by Bonadea

Exactly if someone has the means to do so without having to charge, great.

But we all have bills to pay and someone can either work that into a profession to help people or not do it.

My friend does Reiki. She's very good at it, but because she's so afraid to take money for doing it, she keeps her day job and only does a few people when she can fit them in.

What a waste, all because people who think that because it's a gift, they shouldn't charge.

[Angelz]

What a wonderful question Missy! I would be interested in hearing other's thoughts as well. I am a new Angel Reader and my philosophy on this has been that since I am new to work my way up. When I started doing them I started at $5 a reading after having done around 30 practice readings for others. This got my foot in the door and also allowed me to grow in self confidence in my abilities. As you gain more experience I would say raising your rates to a minimum of $15 or $20 would be appropriate which is where I am now.
Anyone else have thoughts or opinions on this?

[emerge]

Blue Sparks,

While it is true that money can and has been used for a wide variety very bad things it also can and has been used for a wide variety of good things as well. People donate money to a wide range of good causes, like bulding new hospitals or adding a specialized wing on a hospital. They donate money to animal shelters and other animal rights organizations. They donate money to womens shelters and food banks and the Red Cross and the list can go on and on.

Money is just a form of energy and as energy can be used for "good" or "bad" depending upon the person who is using it. In that respect money is no different from a computer. A person can use a computer to help others or to cause pain and suffering.

The bad/ evil things that you have stated as being being done for money you are blaming it on the money. While I understand your confusion you must realize that it is the person that is weilding the money or desiring the money that is to blame and not the money itself.

It's the people, it's the organization, it's the individual and it's their own beliefs about money, their desires pertaining to money, and it's these people's willingness to place aquiring money or aquiring the things money can bring as more important than their fellow humans. It's the people not the money.

Originally Posted by Blue Sparks

.....but acts of kindness and helping others can never be used in a bad way.

Kindness can kill, maim, inhibit, and paralyze!

I used to take care of an eldery lady who was originally bedridden and had difficulty chewing after a lengthy hosptal stay. Her children loved her so much they would do anything for her. They showered her with kindness and compassion. They knew she had to keep eating something so they were feeding her jello because it required no chewing. They thought they were being kind to their mother in her last days. They were actually killing her from malnutrition.

A mother whose child has been injured and requires painful physical therapy on a daily basis thinks she is being kind to her child by not doing the physical therapy at home as directed by the Physical Therapist can pervent the child from fully healing and could result in the child being crippled for the rest of their life.

I can go on with examples of how kindness can inhibit or paralyze a person's spiritual growth or independence.

Being kind to someone is not always the right action to take to help them.

Originally Posted by Blue Sparks

Your comparing trivial acts like singing, cleaning a house and walking a dog to serving somebody mentally and emotionally.

You obviously have no idea just how these acts effect some people. Just because you view them as trivial doesn't mean everybody does.

Originally Posted by Blue Sparks

Spiritual development and personal growth isn't something you buy or have someone do for you.

It may suprise you that there are a whole lot of people out there who don't give a rat's behind about spiritual development or personal growth. They are too focused on survival for anything like that. They want answers and they want hope. They are more concerned about keeping a roof over their's and their children's head, can they afford to buy food this week, is their daughter going to be raped while walking to school this morning, is their son going to be beaten or killed by a street gang..... Can they keep all their employees working next week or will they have to lay off one or two people, will they be able to continue doing business with X company that provides them with great products or will they have to switch to products that are cheaper in price and quality.....

And if they had more money just imagine the good they could do with it.

[Albalida]

I'd like to hear all your thoughts on the "payment for emotional support" issue, so I made a thread here.

As for the four readings? Hmm, I don't like tuning in to romantic stuff. To me, at least, it's a royal mess. There's the maze of each individual's psyche, there's this bubble of privacy, there's free will in spades more than an inquiry about systemic abundance or individual purpose, expectations and emotions all leaving their own psychic imprint. I'm unsurprised by the conflicting information, you would have gotten a much more conclusive reading by asking your man directly if he sees a future with you in it.