|10-23-2011, 06:44 PM||#1 (permalink)|
Join Date: Oct 2011
'scrary' stuf with meditation
I have been meditating for already a while and really feel that I'm improving (silent witness and also 7 chakra's). Feeling more assured and happy with my life. But there is one thing stopping me from really progressing, it is fear. Fear for things that I have seen sometimes after intensive meditation and went to sleep or even during meditation. The 'things' I see have some times been 'spirits' other times don't know exactly what. But because I don't know what it really is and if it can harm my I'm bit afraid of doing really deep meditation.
(1)I dream allot and know the feeling of dreaming and even lucid dreaming. But what I have been experiencing is very different. Already some months ago I was starting to wake up and suddenly I saw to spirits walking in front of me (had a 'ie' sound in but ears very loud), it got nervous and forced myself to snap out of it than they disappeared.
(2)The other time some similar thing happened but didn't saw a spirit but some thing footing not very far away from me (again loud 'ie' sound). Forced myself to snap out of it again.
(3)Another night I meditated allot and went to sleep, then I wake up. But not my body, it was my first fully conscious out of body experience was able to move and felt that I was leaving the body by that movement (again loud 'ie' sound). But then I saw some spirit standing next to me. I said in myself I see you, suddenly the spirit try'd to reach out for me with his arm. That shocked me because didn't know what it was wanting to do. Than I waked up in my body, wondering 'what the hell' just happened.
(4)After that had about three outer body experiences but not seeing any spooky stuff (again loud 'ie' sound).
(5)Then again I wake up but not my body (again loud 'ie' sound) and saw something moving very fast trough my room looked also bit like a spirit but couldn't see it well. Then after a minute or something woke up.
(6)I was in very deep meditation and some 'spirit' looking face was just looking at me, not with a body or anything just a face. When I stopped with the meditation it was gone (like always).
(7)I felt asleep and was again in my room. And started to look bit around in front of me. Then it felt that something hit/slapped me from behind. Then I woke up still could feel the 'slap' but nothing had fallen on me, neither was there anyone in the room.
Also talked with a friend about it, who does meditation, chakras, mantras ect. At first he thought I was just being weird until he one time with deep meditation saw three spirits, and one walked towards him and looked him straight on. It shocked him and got out of the meditation state, he also says that it has slowed progress down because of the 'fear' coming across it again not knowing for sure what it is and if it will do him any harm.
Does anyone have experienced things as these as well? And does know what it is and what it means?
|10-24-2011, 01:42 AM||#2 (permalink)|
Join Date: Feb 2011
Part of the reason why we see spirits is so we become less afraid of death. The fear of the unknown is also an Ego-based emotion. If you don't hold attachments to the physical life, then fear becomes meaningless.
Fear is one of the biggest limiting factors for spiritual endeavors. In order to progress, the fear must be gone. If this is not accomplished, then your progression will slow down to barely a crawl.
|10-24-2011, 03:59 AM||#3 (permalink)|
Join Date: Oct 2011
I have lived with these things you describe happening my whole life. It can be terrifying. I have not meditated my whole life, but my mother and father did before I was born... so maybe that is why, I have no idea. I know exactly what you are talking about. My mother also described to me two red spirit faces she saw peering at her as she meditated one day, and it scared her so badly she quit meditating completely.
I have spontaneously astral projected all my life, and during periods when I also meditated, it would happen every night. It became the norm. It is a good place to learn. I have had 3 near death experiences, one was spontaneous while I slept, where I went to another time and dimension. I have been invaded by unwelcome spirits and terrifying manipulated dreams all my life, too. It took me till age 22 to finally muster up the courage to quit being afraid. 22 years!
I think Midnite (commenter above) does have a point. At first I read his response and didn't understand... but it is true that once you are not afraid (and this may be very tough) these pesky spirits can no longer bother you. They can TRY, but without your fear they can get nowhere with it.
I have found some of these spirits we encounter have nothing to teach us. Some do have knowledge to teach, but they will not teach it unless you can calmly ask them what they want to tell you. These spirits gave me dreams of being killed over and over and over for years and years, until now I do not care if they kill me. The scenario around the death is different every time. Sometimes the death dream is about sacrificing yourself for a friend, or for a stranger, or maybe you die for no reason other than to take the power away from the seemingly malicious spirit. So maybe Midnite is right... maybe its all to take away your fear of death.
So one night, when I was 22, I saw two dark spirits standing at the end of my bed (not uncommon). They were slapping my feet to try to scare me. I sat up out of my body and looked at them, I was frightened. Then they ran out of my room and into my younger sister's room. That is when I had finally had enough. 22 years of this garbage, and I was not about to let them mess with my sister (although she had always seen these spirits, too). My spirit body chased them into her bedroom, and I became so amazingly and deeply furious, I was going to kill these spirits. A white light emanated from my chest and filled the whole room, chasing the spirits out a corner of the ceiling. That day, I realized that anger is quite sacred. I was no longer afraid of death, no longer afraid of the spirit world, and no longer willing to be toyed with by what I now call "astral garbage".
Since then (I am now 42), I do see "ghosts" (harmless) still, I see angels from time to time, I astral project, I have sacred dreams, but the astral garbage stays away. And if I feel them close, I tell them to get out. They are not in control, you are.
I don't know if this can help you. Your post did help me, though, because I have been trying to find someone with experiences similar to mine for decades. Thank you for talking about this. It is time for me to start meditating again. If I end up seeing the garbage spirits again I will get super angry. Hopefully they will steer clear. Thanks again.
Remember that astral garbage is only as frightening as you are frightened. The more alarmed you become, the scarier and louder they become. Just relax.
I believe the practice of Themela is all about gaining the upper hand in the astral realm before diving in. Maybe some reading in this area will help?
Last edited by Nefri; 10-24-2011 at 04:11 AM.
|10-24-2011, 04:46 AM||#4 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2009
I've begun meditating after a leaving it alone for a long time and I'd really like to avoid these experiences and see positive things. Is there a way to prevent seeing spirits by saying a protection prayer before meditation??
|10-24-2011, 08:42 AM||#5 (permalink)|
Join Date: Oct 2011
Thanks you for the reactions.
Nefri very interesting story and whish you the strongest luck on progressing. I know remember when I was very young I to saw some spirit, since then I was afraid for years to walk allong in the dark )was about 6). Never saw anything anymore since started meditating. Strangely even after that experience I became atheist nog believing in those thins. Until I started meditating (recommedation of someone who I came agross on the street after going out) when I was 20 and now a more year later I do believe again in the supernatural.
This night I had a change, I read on the forum that you can call upon your Gardian Angel by asking God. So I did. Slept wake up several times, but by the end of the night I again saw some spirit in my room. But this time a beautiful glow, something that didn´t make me scared at all. I think it have must been the Gardian Angel I asked for. Not only seeing that beautiful glow was spectacular, but I also try´d to touch it and felt wonderful don´t know if I ever felt so wonderful in my intire life. So I think those other entities/spirits I have come across that scared me must have been deamons. But this experience really removed much of my fear. I recomend the rest asking God for protecting and asking to see your Gardian Angel.
|10-26-2011, 02:57 PM||#8 (permalink)|
Join Date: Oct 2011
Have been meditating for more than a year. But the first time I saw a spirit was when I was very young, but latter on convinced myself that it must have been a dream. That opinion changed after I started to see them again.
|10-27-2011, 11:30 AM||#11 (permalink)|
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|11-07-2011, 11:51 PM||#12 (permalink)|
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I'm so glad I'm not losing the plot.
Just tried deep meditation after years of none and was really getting into it, could feel the shift and everything was fine, was cleansing my aura with a white light visualisation and then there was a crash in the next room, like something big falling to the ground, just as I was getting up a strong brightness, so I stopped, collected myself, and tried again.
This time I thought I would try something to clear negativity as I think I am a clairempath and I just had a "feeling" it was a not too nice...I guess spirit is a good word. So I tried again and this time when I got to the point of white light I felt something in the room opened my eyes and saw a big, dark figure at the end of my bed so I jumped up, made myself stop seeing and turned on the light - I was scared.
My Mum once told me that we are seers and that if a spirit ever comes to me I should tell them in a bold voice to "go away" and she made it sound like they were just a nuisance but man that was scary.
And thinking about it I had another experience when I was a kid where I woke in the night and there was a face smiling at me with tribal like tattoos on it and he had really light blue eyes but I just closed my eyes really tight and made myself believe there was nothing there and there wasn't when I opened them again.
If I got to the point where there was something reaching out for me I swear I would've screamed the house down, I'm already sleeping with the light on tonight - I know you're supposed to show them who's boss but it is a little hard right after that kind of shock. Though I am ready to kick ass if I get anymore hassle tonight!
Also, my Mum was admitted into a psychiatric hospital when I was a kid for thinking the devil was after us (our family) so not too happy with this whole experience really. And that big, ugly, dark figure, thing, could pass as that...
My Mums great now, last talked to me about grounding and crystals while on the topic but haven't talked about it for a while and don't fancy telling her about this one.
Do we just have to put up with them?
Because I have a flat mate and if he hears me screaming or shouting "get out" or "go away" in the night he might try and have me admitted.
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