What do You think?

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Ok first of all I want to say this has nothing to do with psi or the such....but I want different opinions from different view points. Do you see anything going wrong with this idea?
Thanks.

I believe they should make crack legal.
Yes at first you will laugh, but think about it for a second.

*If the Government started handing out crack, for free, a lot of STUPID DUMB IDIOTIC people would die, like that (snap of a finger). They would eventually all kill themselves of O.D. because there would be NO need to steal from anyone, or buy from anyone, since crack would be free. I believe that once people realize crack is bad for you and they see how it kills, I theorize that we will have a smarter nation some how.*

Now what about those people who might protest, saying "it is not my son's fault...i love him. He's a good kid." Blah blah blah. If your son was smart, and willing to make something of himself he should stop once he sees all his crackhead friends killing themselves, thus, he would stop.

My opinion.
-Melinda

[nosussbeliefs]

Probably the dumbest thing I've ever read.

You're acting like ppl dont already know crack is bad...and that ppl dont already see the consequences of it. Everyone knows crack is bad, even the users. Giving the drugs is encouraging the problem, contributing to the destruction of their mental and physical health.

I mean if this is your attitude to drugs, where does it stop? I think educations is the key. Their are many ex-crack addicts who got over their addictions... If encouraging drug use is a way to decrease crime then society has lost the plot.

[The Universal Call]

Hahahahahahahaha. Following nosussbelief's post entries always lead me to new interesting conversations.

Melinda, not to be rude or anything, but you need to realize that the people who use drugs ALREADY know it is bad, like nosuss says. It's a severe addiction and people will do anything to get their hands on it. If even more people could get a fix any time they want it is highly likely that lowconscious people would CHOOSE to continue their addiction, because it is so satisfying.

This idea almost seems to me like the idea that the idea that more guns should be allowed in school (this originated after the Virginia shooting). It's simply insane, to imagine that a law from the 17th century (sorry, it is called 18th in English speaking countries, 17th in Sweden) still has influence over America. Get over your guns already. And now you America wants people to start using them even more, to prevent shootings??

Lol, but thank you for this amusing thread.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Yes I understand and see where your coming from, but it would lower our population, get rid of stupid worthless dumb people, and boost kids awareness about drugs.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Another point I would like to put out there,
If the government gave out free crack, wouldn't crackheads be more happy when they are on their high? I'm not sure what they think about, but it seems to me that when a person runs out, or becomes low on supply of a drug they crave for, the only thing they start to think about is "how do I get more?". This is where the stealing and killing come into play. They would not have to think about this if the government provided free crack. I think crackheads would die a happy death and would not think about anything but getting free/more crack from the government.
Thank you for your opinions, keep em coming because I will make this happen.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

Hahahahahahahaha. Following nosussbelief's post entries always lead me to new interesting conversations.

Melinda, not to be rude or anything, but you need to realize that the people who use drugs ALREADY know it is bad, like nosuss says. It's a severe addiction and people will do anything to get their hands on it. If even more people could get a fix any time they want it is highly likely that lowconscious people would CHOOSE to continue their addiction, because it is so satisfying.

This idea almost seems to me like the idea that the idea that more guns should be allowed in school (this originated after the Virginia shooting). It's simply insane, to imagine that a law from the 17th century (sorry, it is called 18th in English speaking countries, 17th in Sweden) still has influence over America. Get over your guns already. And now you America wants people to start using them even more, to prevent shootings??

Lol, but thank you for this amusing thread.

More guns? I don't see how this is the same. Clear my vision up for me will you?

[The Universal Call]

Originally Posted by TUC

almost seems to me

Darling, never write how you cannot see a straight connection when I never even insinuate that the connection is straight. It's a bit crooked, indeed, but there is one still. They are not the same however, and I took notice of this before.

I reckon your mind got about and abroad, seeing how you posted thrice. Please stop that naughty behaviour.

Darling, I see how stupid worthless dumb people can become quite a nuisance every once in a while, however you cannot even slightly think you will win over anyone with this argument, do you?
Please nosuss, fill me in here.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Yes I can read.

I take your words to my mind, I shall think about them.
Thank you.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

I think I can post as much as I want. Dos seems like a good number right now.

[Betrade]

I hear ideas all the time about how the "government" should hand out "free" this or "free" that.

First off, nothing is free, and the 'government" is me, you and every other taxpayer.

Sorry, my tax dollars are already being wasted on lazy people who don't want to work, and I don't support wasting even more on crackheads.

There dying already, people know it, yet they still use. That's the choice they have made.

Crack isn't even a physically addictive drug such as heroin, or even nicotine. It's a purely psychological addiction, and we should eduacate people on the difference, because it's a huge factor when it comes to treatment.

The only way to stop using any substance, even food, is to STOP using. That's THE cure, and all of the talk, and all of the programs never simplify it down to this point.


I know what I'm talking about because I have given up smoking, drinking, and have even come off of (truly) physically addictive opiate pain meds.

Feeding an addiction keeps it alive, and starving it kills it. It's that simple. Do this first, then worry about the root causes afterward, and we'll save time, money and lives.

Little Johnny may be using crack because his daddy ran off when he was 2, but he still has to stop in order to get his head on straight again. He can then work out his deeper issues with a clear mind. It doesn't cost a penny to stop. It's free.

It isn't easy (and not always as difficult as many in ther 'recovery" industry would like us to believe), but people do it every day. It's a matter of choice, and we don't need the governemnt passing more laws that make choices for us that we should be making ourselves.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Thank you.

[Benny2]

Originally Posted by OpenMindedLiberation

Ok first of all I want to say this has nothing to do with psi or the such....but I want different opinions from different view points. Do you see anything going wrong with this idea?
Thanks.

I believe they should make crack legal.
Yes at first you will laugh, but think about it for a second.

*If the Government started handing out crack, for free, a lot of STUPID DUMB IDIOTIC people would die, like that (snap of a finger). They would eventually all kill themselves of O.D. because there would be NO need to steal from anyone, or buy from anyone, since crack would be free. I believe that once people realize crack is bad for you and they see how it kills, I theorize that we will have a smarter nation some how.*

Now what about those people who might protest, saying "it is not my son's fault...i love him. He's a good kid." Blah blah blah. If your son was smart, and willing to make something of himself he should stop once he sees all his crackhead friends killing themselves, thus, he would stop.

My opinion.
-Melinda

I hear your need for a quick fixed to a complicated problem however I do not think this is going to work (though I understanding your feelings and frustration)

Drug addicts are people.

They are sick people in need of medical assistance.

They have value and because they are human and are created with a large brain they also have potential.

If you follow this view through indiscriminately to other addictions would not the 60% of American that overweight (I am one) should be handed free food because they are a major insurance liability and are responsible for insurance rates going up.

What about alcohol? Can not the same be said for alcoholics?

Think it through carefully and aim toward rational solutions for irrational human behavior. It is also healthy for yourself.

Peace

Benny2

[Tequila]

Hey OpenMindedLiberation, I am on your side !!!

In fact, i think i take it a bit further...
Probably going to offend alot of people with this comment, which I apologize for in advance, but in the end it is MY opinion and that is it, you are entitled to YOURS aswell.

Had half of it typed out but then i decided it's better not to say it like that...

How many of you out there believe in yourselves, and that you can accomplish whatever you put your minds to?
I bet ALOT of you do. So do I.
Well I believe if I wanted to I could find a cure for HIV/Aids. But I dont want to.

[Lychee]

Your evaluation of addiction and peer pressure is overly simplistic. Addiction is not something which is just psychological and can be overcome by willpower in most cases. It is a psychological, emotional, and physical addiction. It is NOT just psychological. If people could "will" themselves out of addiction, couldn't you say along the same lines that someone could "will" themselves out of a disease? Not all "dumb" people do crack. There are many people who are high up in social status who do drugs. Do you want to see them die too? Not all of them look "dumb."

You're talking about crack? Look at alcohol. More alcohol-related deaths occur in the US than crack-related deaths.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Well, yes basicly. That is the plan. And I don't think I would want to be somewhere with someone of high "status" who does crack. Yes alcohol kills, so do cigs. and they are legal (once illegal). I say we should make it legal because it would kill, lessen the population, by an increasing number. I know this does not seem like the brillientest of ideas, but I know it can, and will work.
Thank you for you words,
keep them coming please.

[The Universal Call]

This is in the wrong forum, I noticed too. Psychic and paranormal??

Now could the admin at least have the courtesy to tell me why my previous post was deleted or do I not have the freedom of speech in these forums?

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

This is in the wrong forum, I noticed too. Psychic and paranormal??

Now could the admin at least have the courtesy to tell me why my previous post was deleted or do I not have the freedom of speech in these forums?

Your post is still there.
As I said in the begining, this has nothing to do with this forum.

I asked my friend, who's father is an ex-crackhead, what she thought about making crack legal. She laughed, then said, "You'll just get all the old crackheads, who have quit doing crack, to start doing it again. Which isn't a good idea because then I'll be sad when my father starts doing crack again and becomes skinny as a lamp pole and forgets all about me and our money."
Her words soaked into my head as I listened to her. I asked, "Well, why would your father start doing crack again, since he's better, when he knows it will destroy your family? Has he not learned? What does this make him? If I was a parent, and I did crack but then got better because of rehab, I would put my kids before the drug since I realized what I was doing was wrong and selfish."
She didn't answer my question, but I can understand why since it would be hard losing a family member to crack. And it's also hard to realize that her own father rather do crack than pay for food and her families needs.

Whatcha think?

[The Universal Call]

I think it is insane to promote crack even further. Obviously these families need help, not the kind to put their family member to sleep. Anyway...

Sorry, I forgot you had already said that it had nothing to do with Psi, but why did you post the thread if you in the OP knew it was misplaced?

Of course my post is not "still there". If it was deleted you wouldn't see it. My "previous post" was right after Tequila's but now it is gone. Quite upsetting.

[Lychee]

Just because it can work doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do. Guess what? People will reproduce again and "dumb" people will reinhabit the earth. This cycle has been going on since the beginning of time and giving out lethal drugs doesn't change it.

You want to lessen the population so dumb people would die? It is not something to laugh about. Who are you to say that they are dumb? What do you know of their lives? You can say "blah blah" about a mother saying that her son is good, but until you've been a mother, you don't know the pain she must go through to see the child who came out of her womb hurting himself. Giving out drugs to kill people is ridiculous and absurd.

[wolfgang]

I disagree with free crack to weed the population because it's one step away from saying why give out crack so they kill themselves by OD when you could round them up and off them directly? Doesn't that sound like something we don't want societies to do?

[CFPurpose]

Originally Posted by OpenMindedLiberation

*If the Government started handing out crack, for free, a lot of STUPID DUMB IDIOTIC people would die, like that (snap of a finger). My opinion.
-Melinda

Are you being serious? I do not believe for one second that you are. How many people have you heard of overdosing on "crack"? There's plenty who have but Crack compared to.. Oh lets pick one.. Heroin, has a much smaller OD Rate.

If they legalized Crack, speed, meth, Ice, whatever version you want to call it, all that would do is:

#1 Attract millions of new addicts who suddenly see it as acceptable and simply need a nice little jump start to get out of bed that day.

#2 A lot more acny prone citizens (true but mentioning this lightheardedly)

#3 Rages and outbursts from individuals who normally wouldn't be so easily upset. (Causes chemical imbalances and agitation wilst leaving the bodily system)


I need not go on because your question was obviously a joke. I'm waisting my breath. Either it was a joke or someone is very very naive.......


If I have duplicated anyone elses thoughts. I apologize. I did not read the thread as this is just rediculous. No Offence "OML". Hopefully you are writing an article based on responses and not truly asking this question.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Oh, but I am ever so serious.

Thank you for your words, I will keep them in my mind.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I disagree with free crack to weed the population because it's one step away from saying why give out crack so they kill themselves by OD when you could round them up and off them directly? Doesn't that sound like something we don't want societies to do?

Well, if it was my choice I would rather shoot them one by one but that would take to much time. I see it as,
if we hand out crack people will learn not to do crack. Yes we will go through hard times, but I don't see people doing crack fighting or be as upset since it would be in free supply. They would not have to steal or buy from others. I see what your all saying, and I am taking it into consideration. Yes crack is not the highest death rate for drugs, but can't we start or let people do drugs without any worries?

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Originally Posted by CFPurpose

Are you being serious? I do not believe for one second that you are. How many people have you heard of overdosing on "crack"? There's plenty who have but Crack compared to.. Oh lets pick one.. Heroin, has a much smaller OD Rate.

If they legalized Crack, speed, meth, Ice, whatever version you want to call it, all that would do is:

#1 Attract millions of new addicts who suddenly see it as acceptable and simply need a nice little jump start to get out of bed that day.

#2 A lot more acny prone citizens (true but mentioning this lightheardedly)

#3 Rages and outbursts from individuals who normally wouldn't be so easily upset. (Causes chemical imbalances and agitation wilst leaving the bodily system)


I need not go on because your question was obviously a joke. I'm waisting my breath. Either it was a joke or someone is very very naive.......


If I have duplicated anyone elses thoughts. I apologize. I did not read the thread as this is just rediculous. No Offence "OML". Hopefully you are writing an article based on responses and not truly asking this question.

Sorry I'm posting a lot at one time, I'm just thinking.
Anyways, you said that there are more people doing heroin, correct?
Well I was thinking, when I make crack legal don't you think more people who use heroin will start using crack? Maybe. Maybe not. I mean, if there is a free supply of crack being handed out, wouldn't the people who are using heroin stop and start doing crack, thus, lowering percentage rate for using heroin or any other type of drug and, increasing for crack. Or, they could still be using heroin and start using crack, which is stupid, and kill themselves faster. I believe only the weak minded will be taken in. Yes, it's a free drug, but they should know crack is "whack". Just a thought.
Rages and outbursts, I disagree. Yes people get tense when on the drug, but why? Do you know why? Because their mind is thinking about getting more crack, which will be in free supply so there shall be no worries, making them happy. No need to steal.
I was thinking about what you said, more people coming, wouldn't that just be the opposite? Yes lots of people will flock because they see the word free, but we as humans learn from mistakes, don't we? When people start doing crack every day, for every second of their life, eventually they will die. Don't you think people will learn from them? Maybe.

[Lychee]

If you want to kill off "dumb" people, why not start by deprecating the medical profession? Just say to doctors that they are wasting their time by trying to help a soul. Why even provide them health care? Hell, why even give them food or a place to live? No, a person's weakness is not an excuse for harm.

People know alcohol is a poison, yet people consume it. If people were so "smart" wouldn't they figure that out? Yet alcohol is consumed all around the world. Using the example of crack, you can say the same for alcohol.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Originally Posted by Lychee

If you want to kill off "dumb" people, why not start by deprecating the medical profession? Just say to doctors that they are wasting their time by trying to help a soul. Why even provide them health care? Hell, why even give them food or a place to live? No, a person's weakness is not an excuse for harm.

People know alcohol is a poison, yet people consume it. If people were so "smart" wouldn't they figure that out? Yet alcohol is consumed all around the world. Using the example of crack, you can say the same for alcohol.

Well no, I would not kill off doctors for those willing to get better.

Why do people consume alcohol? Many reasons, right?
What types of people consume alcohol? For what occasions? alcohol and crack are on a different level in my opinion. The people who drink alcohol know it's bad for them, they have accepted that fact. They still do it though, even though they know it's killing them. They have the choice to stop drinking or keep the nasty habit. It does not control your body as bad as crack. As goes for crack, people still do it even though they know what it does. I understand that the need for the drug takes over. But I know for a fact if you try crack once, you can make yourself not try it again.
Let me propose this question.
Do you find intellectual people drinking often, alcohol that is?

[CFPurpose]

Originally Posted by OpenMindedLiberation

Anyways, you said that there are more people doing heroin, correct? .

Not Correct. More people Overdose on Heroin than on a speed product. More not only overdose but die of asphixiation due to falling asleep while high, swallowing tongue. Yes it happens. Trust me.

Originally Posted by OpenMindedLiberation

Well I was thinking, when I make crack legal don't you think more people who use heroin will start using crack? Maybe. Maybe not. I mean, if there is a free supply of crack being handed out, wouldn't the people who are using heroin stop and start doing crack, thus, lowering percentage rate for using heroin or any other type of drug and, increasing for crack. .

Sweetheart. Please do not take this in the wrong way but you just showed me how naive you truly are. Heroin is a downer. Crack, speed is an upper. Heroin is highly highly addictive. It is the most discustingly addictive drug I know of. A person's body becomes fully dependent on it. Most individuals who are addicted to Heroin remain addicted for the remainder of their life either to Heroin or to the drug prescribed by doctors to the heroin addict called "Methadone." You do not ever want to see what a person goes through when withdrawing from a heroin addiction. A heroin addict will not just stop using H to snort a line of speed which does nothing for their now dependent body on Heroin.

Now Let me just educate you on speed..... Well I'm just going to throw myself out here because hopefully this will open someone's eyes. I was addicted to Cocaine for over 2 years as a teenager. Used all forms but mostly the powder form of Cocaine. Yes, I was high while learning lessons in school. I should have weighed 120 pounds, I weighed 96! The addiction to speed is entirely different than that of Heroin. No, I never did Heroin, my boyfriend in highschool did. He is now addicted to Methadone and the last time I saw him which was about 7 years ago briefly, his arms still had track marks as rumor had it, he was now shooting the Methadone the doctor gave him. I've known many a heroin addict and many a speed addict in life. Could I have stopped using speed back then? Sure. Did I want to? No. It feels great! But let me tell you something. It will ruin who you are as a person which I'll comment on that below.

People can walk away from speed but it takes will power and an ability to overcome the craving. It's not like a nicotine craving, but you crave it. Only those who realize what it is doing to them and have a want to live life pure and better themselves will walk away. Have you looked at the world today? There are not many individuals in this frame of mind anymore....

Originally Posted by OpenMindedLiberation

Or, they could still be using heroin and start using crack, which is stupid, and kill themselves faster. I believe only the weak minded will be taken in. .

Let me educate you again. Some of the most well known and powerful individuals within the business community.. the rich, the strong, the respected use speed product. Anyone can get sucked in by this drug sweetheart. We live in a fast paced world.

Originally Posted by OpenMindedLiberation

Rages and outbursts, I disagree. Yes people get tense when on the drug, but why? Do you know why? Because their mind is thinking about getting more crack, which will be in free supply so there shall be no worries, making them happy. No need to steal..

You dissagree because you have never used. Speed causes a chemical imbalance. Some are happy while on it, some become angered and agitated and everyone I have ever known (including myself) became a basket case after using either on a constant basis or after coming down from a 24-48 hour wake zone. (That means when you have ran on the speed for a day or 2 or even longer)

Originally Posted by OpenMindedLiberation

Don't you think people will learn from them? Maybe.

NO. The human race is bull headed and likes to learn on their own and the hard way. You should sit down and watch a documentary as to when Cocaine and speed were legal in the United States. It was mostly prevelent amoungst the rich and famous. Watch it, tell me if you see where it made anything "ok."

[CFPurpose]

To those of you who use speed. Be very careful with what you are chosing to put into your body. Some do this on occasion and think it is Ok. I chose to steer clear because honeslty, I do not want to see myself go down the tubes again. (Been clean for nearly a decade. Used here or there and then said to myself.. "What are you doing?!" It's hard to walk away but it can be done if you want to be a better person!)


All drugs have a lasting effect on our minds and bodies. It takes time to heal from these effects. I have watched relationship after relationship and person after person ruin themselves over a stupid drug called speed.

This whole theory that OML proposes is the stupidest thing I have heard in probably the last couple years. Congratulations OML.. let me award you a chocolote cookie!

One more thing OML... You refer to drug users as useless, mindless unimportant people. Those people all have souls my dear. Those people all have families. Those people are somebodies child, someone's mother, someone's father, brother, sister. You should want to reach out to them.

I simply keep them in prayer. I offer my love and support to those I still know use and let them know that if they ever chose to stop, I'm here to help them.

You should think more before you say things like you have. Maybe I should check your profile for your age because either you are quite young or you have been sheltered all your life.


Love and light.

NO MORE COMMENTS FROM ME NOW ON THIS. TAKE CARE ALL.

[The Universal Call]

CFPurpose: Obviously she must be joking, she is insane to say that she wanted to shoot every dumb one if she could. Either this is someone disturbed or someone having fun for herself. If you are serious though OML, well I don't care, I don't give a rat's ass, maybe the fact that everyone has been against your idea should tell you something about what we think of it.

Originally Posted by OML

The people who drink alcohol know it's bad for them, they have accepted that fact. They still do it though, even though they know it's killing them. They have the choice to stop drinking or keep the nasty habit. It does not control your body as bad as crack. As goes for crack, people still do it even though they know what it does. I understand that the need for the drug takes over. But I know for a fact if you try crack once, you can make yourself not try it again.

Alcohol is "accepted" in society, making crack legal would do the same, if people got used to the fact it was legal. Obviously there should be an age-limit as well, because truly young people would try it against their better knowing. You know FOR A FACT that it's easy to not take crack a 2nd time? Sources please, if you are so confident.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

I will take a look at that documentary.

Thank you for your words, everyone.
I have no regret in making this forum, I have learned lots.