Can We Move Mountains?

[JMan]

Ancient building technology has always fascinated me. How did people build such large structures with such massive pieces of stone? Some popular theories point to the use of harmonics, acoustics, utilizing sound vibrations and frequencies to levitate rock. Has anyone tried this? Here are some very interesting links, and fun reads. Everything is energy in vibration.

The Ancient Secrets of Levitation
ThothWeb - Your Portal to the Unknown - Levitation and Flight in the Ancient World: A Modern Perspective
The Secrets of Coral Castle

[The Universal Call]

Originally Posted by JMan

Can we move mountains?

No.
They are stuck to the earth and so are you. Moving the earth is impossible because it attracted to the Sun, move the Sun - move the Earth. Move the Earth, move the mountains? No, the mountains are still "the Earth", as much part of it as the seas are, the only way to move a mountain would be to remove the mountain from the earth - blow Earth up - get mountains all over the place.

Was this a serious question? (..This was a serious answer, yeah, it was.. Where's the sarcasm tag when you need it the most?)

[Mayo]

Yes i heard a story of some Budhist monks that with only drums and chants they managed to lift one tonne rock of the ground like it was hot air balloon. Everything is energy, i.e. everything is matrix and all you have to do is take the red pill.

[The Universal Call]

9.8*1000=9800 Newton. 9.8kN is the amount of work it would take to do that, 9800 Newton with only the power of the mind, come on? Not to imagine that many times it is windy on mountains, moving in such an environment would greatly reduce your ability to focus your power, no matter the pretty sight. 9800 Newton is the initial power, and it will have to be maintained for as long as the rocks are in the air, hmm?
EDIT: Sorry, I just noticed you said with ONLY DRUMS AND CHANTS.
Now how in the world did those start containing energy that is suddenly unleashed? 9800 Newton in a drum? Gosh! And you find that logical? And why must everything contain chants? It's like people need something human and mystical, like this stupid religion where aliens have taken over us and you must pay the religious leaders money to get a few books, these books however seems to be the only thing that the aliens can't resist! Yes, that sounds logical, just that book (which comes in chapters, pay for every chapter) happened to have the right amount of energy because it contains holy text. Yes, the aliens failed to recognize that words invented by humans was the one thing that could kill them. Those silly aliens, die you all!

Think, please.

[ondrej]

Why are you so offensive?

IF everything were just a projection of our believe or visions - and from the philosophical sight you cannot absolutly prove it is not, it could be possible.

[JMan]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

No.

Was this a serious question? (..This was a serious answer, yeah, it was.. Where's the sarcasm tag when you need it the most?)

That was just the hook. Following that was the query and prose. You bit the hook. Then spit it out. I know, sharp hook. Maybe it should have been 'Can Harmonics move Physical Masses?' or something like that.....

[Yukio]

It is obvious that we can , but probably you are not talking about a Pulse Canon or a Sonic Drill /Broke. If it is a Crystal Mountain it would be even easier ...

About levitating .

Ok, vibrations. There is something about vibrations and Ludic Dreamings. Even a part about vibrate trough solid objects walking in the tiny air. If this is a old myth ...

Talking about atmosphere, maybe there is something that could turn the air into a atmospheric barrier. Making 'solid' walls of Air. This "invisible" force fields on air are something to look for. Obvious, this only work on Earth or similar planets ...

'Solid' Sound. Maybe you want to take a look on this too.

[Dharma]

Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it shall be granted him.
Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them and they shall be granted you.--Jesus

[Yukio]

It is rumored to be one of the last on the period table ...

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

9.8*1000=9800 Newton. 9.8kN is the amount of work it would take to do that, 9800 Newton with only the power of the mind, come on? Not to imagine that many times it is windy on mountains, moving in such an environment would greatly reduce your ability to focus your power, no matter the pretty sight. 9800 Newton is the initial power, and it will have to be maintained for as long as the rocks are in the air, hmm?

Almost every major human accomplishment is done with "only the power of the mind." It's because of the power of the mind that a single mouse click can transport words thousands of miles away to appear on a computer screen. There's an interesting quotation by Isaac Asimov, which applies whether you believe in Objective or Subjective reality:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

We will move mountains.

EDIT: Sorry, I just noticed you said with ONLY DRUMS AND CHANTS.
Now how in the world did those start containing energy that is suddenly unleashed? 9800 Newton in a drum? Gosh! And you find that logical? And why must everything contain chants? It's like people need something human and mystical, like this stupid religion where aliens have taken over us and you must pay the religious leaders money to get a few books, these books however seems to be the only thing that the aliens can't resist! Yes, that sounds logical, just that book (which comes in chapters, pay for every chapter) happened to have the right amount of energy because it contains holy text. Yes, the aliens failed to recognize that words invented by humans was the one thing that could kill them. Those silly aliens, die you all!

Think, please.

Thinking.

[The Universal Call]

ondrej:
I am not offensive, if I were my text would contain numerous bashings and exclamation marks, what I do however is just to offer a rather rough, but interesting point of perspective. It's not like we should dismiss the skeptic point of view just because we want to move mountains. And furthermore, many things are unprovable, like objective reality, but I find it unreasonable to throw out those ideas.

Aidan:
"We will move mountains."? I wonder how, if we will move the continent it is stuck to, okay, but the only other way I can see is to actually cut loose the mountain vertically and then transport it away. I know no technology, or further technology, that will be able to lift or push hundreds and hundreds of ton.
I reckon moving a continent is a bit hard though...

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

Aidan:
"We will move mountains."? I wonder how, if we will move the continent it is stuck to, okay, but the only other way I can see is to actually cut loose the mountain vertically and then transport it away. I know no technology, or further technology, that will be able to lift or push hundreds and hundreds of ton.
I reckon moving a continent is a bit hard though...

If you could see our future technology already, we would be much quicker in getting it. Clearly, you don't. Technology makes things that are "a bit hard" into routine operations. And it does it at such a pace that progress is exponential. Why place artificial limits on human progress? Moving a mountain is the least of what I believe we will be capable of.

If you think in terms of the present, then of course the future will seem limited. But if you think in terms of the immense expanse of time humankind has to work with, these limits dissolve away. To earlier humans, it would seem inconceivable that flight into outer space, or venturing into the trillions of specks of atomic dust that comprise us, is possible and in fact only the beginning. But despite our rich history of scientific discovery and technological progress, frustratingly few people adopt that perspective today.

[theknightwhosaysni-NI]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

9.8*1000=9800 Newton. 9.8kN is the amount of work it would take to do that, 9800 Newton with only the power of the mind, come on?

Think, please.

That's just a belief. Even if you don't feel you've chosen it, you have chosen it (probably uncounsciously).
The belief in gravity is perfectly valid if we want to function with it though.

I believe in gravity too, it is one of the strongest belief I have and I don't plan to change it.

But if I'd choose to stop believing in that, I would certainly be able to move mountains.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

9.8*1000=9800 Newton. 9.8kN is the amount of work it would take to do that, 9800 Newton with only the power of the mind, come on?

"Think please" back atya.

I can create 100 kw/hour of light with merely the touch of a finger (against a light switch). With only a tiny amount of force (and a key) I can pass through a solid wooden door into my house. With only a drum I can bring down part of a mountain (by starting an avalanche).

You are assuming that the triggering action is the power source and that needn't be true.

And (as my second analogy points out) sometimes things take less force than it appears - you don't need the strength to break down a door if you can just open it with a key.

[The Universal Call]

theknight:
Let's assume gravity isn't a natural law, but instead it's just something everyone experiences once, and then starts believing in. Once you have lived with gravity I think it's on the verge to frustratingly hard to "not believe" in it. To try and neglect this belief would almost be to try and neglect air, since we have lived with it so long our mind cannot function without that belief. (being able to fly in a dream is not disconnecting from this belief, is it?)

Keith:
Your first argument is valid but saying that you would remove the snow from the mountain is not. You cannot possible argue that by removing a few hundred tons the rest of the thousands (I dont know how much a middlesize mountain weigh though, but I guess it is more like a million ton or something, if someone can find the weight of the Earth we could give a more precise approximation) will be moved like a charm. For future's sake I think we should continue this thread stating:
The mountain is large enough to be considered a mountain, and not a hill or something else, the mountain has no exteriors that adds weight, like snow or trees.
Like I said, chopping the mountain vertically and then simply just moving it would do the trick, although I am not sure what kind of triggers you are talking about. Granted, a few thousands drills placed at the right place would also break it apart. What bothers me in the beginning (and then people started picking up on the conversation, talking to me) was that Mayo claimed that Buddhist monks did it with drums and chants, or so to speak with the power of the mind. This is crazy, arguments follow below
Aidan; I understand and hone the technological progress mankind have been able to muster, if we wanted to "move" a mountain, well dropping a bomb and considering the shattered pieces to have moved would be to call it "moved the mountain", now wouldn't it? But some people in here claim that it would be possible to move a mountain by oneself. For argument 2a and 2b I take up the idea to move a mountain with the power of the mind.
1) Before the technology comes that enables ONE human being to move a mountain, is the time when we're all doomed. Let's face it, if one human being is allowed that power then just think what other enormous powers other people are granted. It would be a catastrophy, but sure, maybe one person could buy this technology to get rid of that mountain which had bothered him.
2a) The power of your mind. First of all there are the million and million of beliefs that stops you. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from trying to become their hero, or from living up to their true ideal. Instead what I am trying to say is that certainly not even Jesus could hold the belief that he could move thousands upon thousands of ton, just because he wanted to (but since I haven't asked him in person I won't go there). We would all have to be raised subjectively and without any negative influence whatsoever. Certainly this is impossible in today's society...
2b) Let's for fun assume you have this belief, now you would have to withdraw so much energy and unleash it at the mountain. We're not talking solar energy for fifteen minutes but you would literally have to be a pulsating source of energy. The amount of energy needed is catastrophical, in order to move a mountain.

Please clarify what triggers could allow one man to move a mountain Keith, it's bothering me.

Obviously a tenthousand people that have access to some great, soon to be available, technology could hopefully do the trick. This I realize Aidan but see above argument for a single person to do this alone. The OP goes about telling that "acoustics" or "frequencies" might have been able to levitate rocks in the past. Rocks are a million times easier than a mountain which consists of thousand*rock, right? Maybe the rocks were levitated, but also unlike the MASSIVE mountain the rocks were loose to begin with. Doing this same feat to a mountain would mean to start at the top, use the right frequency, and hopefully the rock will shatter, after this you would work your way downwards and shatter your way down.
That technology and information is not present as of yet but if it would be, one single man could, in the time of a month perhaps? splitter a mountain to pieces. Of course it can be argued if that is "moving" the mountain.

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

1) Before the technology comes that enables ONE human being to move a mountain, is the time when we're all doomed. Let's face it, if one human being is allowed that power then just think what other enormous powers other people are granted. It would be a catastrophy, but sure, maybe one person could buy this technology to get rid of that mountain which had bothered him.

We can eliminate an entire city with a small hunk of metal dropped from a plane and we aren't doomed yet. Obviously technology carries perils with it, but it usually carries something with it to keep that peril in check. For instance, biology and chemistry allow us to make biological weapons; they also allow for easier cures for diseases.

2a) The power of your mind. First of all there are the million and million of beliefs that stops you. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from trying to become their hero, or from living up to their true ideal. Instead what I am trying to say is that certainly not even Jesus could hold the belief that he could move thousands upon thousands of ton, just because he wanted to (but since I haven't asked him in person I won't go there). We would all have to be raised subjectively and without any negative influence whatsoever. Certainly this is impossible in today's society...

I don't know whether it's possible. But there's no way to prove that it's impossible. Whenever I'm faced with something that sounds extraordinary, I err on the side that it's possible but probably difficult.

2b) Let's for fun assume you have this belief, now you would have to withdraw so much energy and unleash it at the mountain. We're not talking solar energy for fifteen minutes but you would literally have to be a pulsating source of energy. The amount of energy needed is catastrophical, in order to move a mountain.

As splitting the atom proved, colossal sources of energy can be found in the tiniest of places. The human mind included.

Maybe the rocks were levitated, but also unlike the MASSIVE mountain the rocks were loose to begin with. Doing this same feat to a mountain would mean to start at the top, use the right frequency, and hopefully the rock will shatter, after this you would work your way downwards and shatter your way down.
That technology and information is not present as of yet but if it would be, one single man could, in the time of a month perhaps? splitter a mountain to pieces. Of course it can be argued if that is "moving" the mountain.

You are thinking very much in terms of present knowledge and present technology. The only thing I know about human potential--that is the potential of a single human--is that it's constantly improving.

[The Universal Call]

Originally Posted by Aidan

I don't know whether it's possible. But there's no way to prove that it's impossible. Whenever I'm faced with something that sounds extraordinary, I err on the side that it's possible but probably difficult.

Obviously the word impossible is exaggerated, since we humans can only assume something is impossible, but actually never prove it. To raise someone that believes he himself is God and can do whatever he want, certainly requires an environment that believes this too. However, the parent must be in an objective reality point of view to teach the kid what enormous powers he has, because if he didn't, he would be lying. If he believed in subjective reality and tried to teach the kid the parent would be lying to himself, he doesn't believe the kid is conscious, thus the parent need to be in an objective state of mind. But if he is then the kid cannot believe something his parent doesn't think is true... Obviously this is difficult to explain.

Originally Posted by Adian wrote

You are thinking very much in terms of present knowledge and present technology. The only thing I know about human potential--that is the potential of a single human--is that it's constantly improving.

I know, I'm sorry but it's hard to discuss something when the size of the mountain, and what "moving the mountain" is defined as. Also I find it odd that you argue that I think very much in terms of present knowledge and present technology when I clearly suggested that in a near future we could have a soundmachine that could, by frequencies, destroy a mountain.

Of course we can already destroy a mountain, but I don't consider that moving it, I consider that deleting it. Moving a mountain would include:
1. Making the mountain seperate from the Earth.
2. Lifting or pushing it (which would certainly require something VERY big and VERY powerful, note that I am not saying this won't be invented, but only that it most likely never will).
Why won't such a device be created? It's simply not worth it. Consider the size of this machine and the power it needs to be able to acquire to MOVE a mountain of several thousands ton. Man has no reason to move a mountain, definitely not considering the costs of this machine that certainly is beyond our minds.

[Paul C]

I think the assumption made at this moment is that the vast amount of power has to originate from the object or individual human. The way in which I could see it possible that one person, or one device could move something the size of a mountain would be to channel energy through itself and direct it to where it has to go. Instead of having to be burdened by all the energy needed to accomplish the task, the person or device acts more like a conduit for the energy.

Although I'm sure the person/device would have to be very capable to sustain such a flow. It seems as if many exaggerate the actual amount of effort that would need to be expended based upon their current perspectives of the world.

For me, to claim that such raw potential cannot be exercise to such an extent - or even worse- doubt the possibility outright would be an utter distortion to what reality is actually capable of granting.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

Keith:
Your first argument is valid but saying that you would remove the snow from the mountain is not. You cannot possible argue that by removing a few hundred tons the rest of the thousands (I dont know how much a middlesize mountain weigh though, but I guess it is more like a million ton or something, if someone can find the weight of the Earth we could give a more precise approximation) will be moved like a charm. For future's sake I think we should continue this thread stating:

I didn't say anything about removing snow from the mountain. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Yes, I'm happy to assume that the mountain is mountain-sized.

My point, as in the cloudbuster thread, is simply that you can't start investigating an (alleged) phenomenon that defies current theory by trying to figure it out theoretically!

You need to test it experimentally to see if it works then figure out how it works.

It probably violated existing caveman theory to generate fire by banging two rocks together - but it worked! It took ten thousand of years before we really understood how heat resulted from friction, but that didn't stop it working in the interim!

I have no idea how you would move a mountain with just drums and chants. But that doesn't mean it's not possible.

[The Universal Call]

I'm referring to how you said you could cause an avalanche.

Of course, "everything is possible", but some things have a less chance of working, in any time of the life. From a cause and effect point of view (which I, oh Lord, hope at least the majority in here believe in) drumming and chanting shouldn't lead to levitation. Banging two rocks is creating termic energy from... moving energy (now the fact that I'm Swedish is starting to show), one should lead to the other. Many things are plausible, possible, but some things are just so highly unlikely that if they would happen someone F'ed up the laws of nature.

[Yukio]

Potential and kinetic energy.
Friction and atrite would generate heat.
If the movement of the molecules would reduce their would froze , if there is more movement it will be hot.

Well, I think that this is for freezing and blowing stuff at a molecular level.

Levitation could be another technique ...

[Yukio]

Magnetic repulsion.

Maybe you wanted something like "electromagnetic levitation" ... Some electronic devices generate a fuzzy buzzzzz.
If there is enough metal in the "melted" mountain , it could be possible to use magnetic repulsion to hold the mountain in the air.

Well, this work for small metallic balls. It could work for biggest "mountain sized" stuff ...

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

Obviously the word impossible is exaggerated, since we humans can only assume something is impossible, but actually never prove it. To raise someone that believes he himself is God and can do whatever he want, certainly requires an environment that believes this too. However, the parent must be in an objective reality point of view to teach the kid what enormous powers he has, because if he didn't, he would be lying. If he believed in subjective reality and tried to teach the kid the parent would be lying to himself, he doesn't believe the kid is conscious, thus the parent need to be in an objective state of mind. But if he is then the kid cannot believe something his parent doesn't think is true... Obviously this is difficult to explain.

I see your overall point better now, but I have to admit I barely understand what you mean here.

SR does believe others are conscious (as near as I can tell; I'm no SR expert!), because it believes that individual people/egos are only projections of a single consciousness--mine, yours, ours or whatever you want to call it. If I am wrong here, somebody please set me straight.

I know, I'm sorry but it's hard to discuss something when the size of the mountain, and what "moving the mountain" is defined as. Also I find it odd that you argue that I think very much in terms of present knowledge and present technology when I clearly suggested that in a near future we could have a soundmachine that could, by frequencies, destroy a mountain.

Exactly! Near future. When you think in terms of the entire future of mankind, it becomes very difficult to believe that anything is "impossible." (With the exception of defying entropy, I suppose. Who knows. ) How could somebody even try to guess at what we'll be able to do and how more than must a few years into the future? That's a linear and present-centric perspective.

Of course we can already destroy a mountain, but I don't consider that moving it, I consider that deleting it. Moving a mountain would include:
1. Making the mountain seperate from the Earth.
2. Lifting or pushing it (which would certainly require something VERY big and VERY powerful, note that I am not saying this won't be invented, but only that it most likely never will).

I agree with number 1 but not 2. We maybe be able to simply shift it--who knows how or when it will be done? Anyway, technology includes not only increasing what we can do but making it cost-effective to do it. How do you know that it can never be worth the cost to move a mountain?

[The Universal Call]

Seeing how someone that believes in SR cannot ever experience another consciousness except their own I reckon your statement is wrong. Believing there could be another consciousness would be to neglect the fact that you are only percieving by your own, hence others aren't "conscious" in your sense.

I said it was hard to explain, although unless I was being way goofy I think those sentences had some sort of structure to them that could be analyzed correctfully.

Originally Posted by The Aidan

I agree with number 1 but not 2. We maybe be able to simply shift it--who knows how or when it will be done? Anyway, technology includes not only increasing what we can do but making it cost-effective to do it. How do you know that it can never be worth the cost to move a mountain?

I've seen too many people use the argument "but what if", or "how do you know what the future holds", "maybe now it's not working, but". . . Please cease those arguments, of course they are true but to me it's like a copout (sp..) Neither the future nor God is perceivable in the sense we could want them, so using the argument that they could come and do whatever miracles will of course work but it just leaves the discussion up to "hope" that it actually will.

Instead, let's try and find the facts and not the faith. It seems to me that you fail to realize that moving a mountain is so much more work that even future technology would break apart and cry. A few googlings reveal:
The Earth weighs six thousand six hundred billion billion tons.
This mountain weighs 6 million tons.
The exposed area of the mountain is 583 acres, which I consider quite puny for a mountain even still.
So far we have agreed that we need to cut the mountain loose, how we could vertically do this would obviously take a long time (going through the mountain 360 degrees), but since we already have mountaintunnels it is of course possible. Then we need the machine to actually move this big 6 million ton block of sweetness, because chants won't sure as there is no hell move it. Use any big vehicles of today, you would have to stick wires to the mountain and then pull, these wires NEED to be able to hold for 6 million ton.
I think this strategy is not workable. . .
Okay, make a humongous machine, so big that it is disgusting, of course this would take years upon years to make, and all the costs involved. Not to consider we should build this machine ON spot, because it will surely be almost as large as the mountain itself, and it needs to have A LOT of power to actually PULL or PUSH this 6 million ton.

I am actually pulling out of this area of the conversation right now, if you still argue that it could be worth it, even though making this machine would have to be fonded with billion of dollars, surely, just ask someone else. Please, someone else needs to get in on this thread. Let's look at it economically and not wishfully, it will be expensive and making it cost-effective just is not possible. Maybe after 300 years of refinement to this machine could come with some new ideas of making it more cost-effective.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

I'm referring to how you said you could cause an avalanche.

Oh, okay. I was thinking of an avalanche of rock rather than snow, hence the confusion. The point is that you don't need enough force to move all that rock - rather you're taking advantage of a preexisting condition (the rock's instability due to weathering).

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

Of course, "everything is possible", but some things have a less chance of working, in any time of the life. From a cause and effect point of view (which I, oh Lord, hope at least the majority in here believe in) drumming and chanting shouldn't lead to levitation.

Now that I've actually read (well, skimmed) the article (<blush>) it speculates that the particular combination of sonic frequencies negates gravity. Sounds weird to me but we don't understand gravity as well as the layman might assume so who knows.

Aside: Regarding cause and effect, there's currently an interesting experiment being conducted regarding quantum entanglement and retro-causality that may show causality is more complex than we thought, too.

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

I've seen too many people use the argument "but what if", or "how do you know what the future holds", "maybe now it's not working, but". . . Please cease those arguments, of course they are true but to me it's like a copout

This is almost exactly my point as it relates to your arguments. You argue that it's unreasonable to argue for a thing without an understanding of how it is done. I argue that it's unreasonable to dispute the specifics of something if you don't understand how it's being done.

To take the current example: Yes, I'm sure we all agree that mountains are heavy. Yes, we all agree that it would take a lot of power to shift it using conventional force. But please explain how you can realistically argue how much power is required to influence the force of gravity via soundwaves when we currently have no idea how such an interaction would even occur?

BTW, please note that I am not arguing for 'subjective reality'. I'm arguing for not immediately closing the mind off to things we don't yet understand.

I weighed in on this conversation primarily because your initial posts bugged me. You immediately launched into facts and figures to 'disprove' the possibility without even trying to understand it first. That's no more 'scientific' than assuming it would work without experimentation.

You're like the caveman who, upon being told that fire can be made by banging two rocks together immediately says "don't be stupid - fire comes in bolts from the sky, not rocks".

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by The Universal Call

I said it was hard to explain, although unless I was being way goofy I think those sentences had some sort of structure to them that could be analyzed correctfully.

Yes, they certainly did. I never said the fault was yours in writing the paragraph unclearly.

I've seen too many people use the argument "but what if", or "how do you know what the future holds", "maybe now it's not working, but". . . Please cease those arguments, of course they are true but to me it's like a copout (sp..) Neither the future nor God is perceivable in the sense we could want them, so using the argument that they could come and do whatever miracles will of course work but it just leaves the discussion up to "hope" that it actually will.

If it's a copout to assume the future holds "hope" because we can't see it, then isn't it equally a copout to say, in response to "Can we...", "No, we can't?" How do you know? I didn't say that I was certain of what the future held, only that given we don't know the future, the best response to "Can we..." is "maybe we can!"

Instead, let's try and find the facts and not the faith. It seems to me that you fail to realize that moving a mountain is so much more work that even future technology would break apart and cry.

I really don't care how much work it is. Large numbers fail to have much effect on me; I have seen much bigger numbers in books about the steady forward march of AI, nanotechnology, robotics, physics, etc.

I am actually pulling out of this area of the conversation right now, if you still argue that it could be worth it, even though making this machine would have to be fonded with billion of dollars, surely, just ask someone else. Please, someone else needs to get in on this thread. Let's look at it economically and not wishfully, it will be expensive and making it cost-effective just is not possible. Maybe after 300 years of refinement to this machine could come with some new ideas of making it more cost-effective.

It's impossible from the perspective of present or near-future capabilities. There's no knowing how it may be done, because technology is advanced by the finding of new kinds of ways to do things, not merely how to do them to a greater degree.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Dharma

Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it shall be granted him.
Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them and they shall be granted you.--Jesus

That's pretty cool, Jesus believed in IM

Power to the Max

[Ijin Kaion]

well...we crush them:P

but really it`s nice work but then also keep in mind that most egyptians where more gifted.

how it all was and is i cannot say for sure since it was a rather long time ago.
but then again if you look at the industrial simplicity then you might wonder if they were just damn smart people.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by AidanMatthews216

If it's a copout to assume the future holds "hope" because we can't see it, then isn't it equally a copout to say, in response to "Can we...", "No, we can't?" How do you know?

That's what I was trying to say. You put it so much more eloquently...

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by Keith

That's what I was trying to say. You put it so much more eloquently...

Thank you! I find it's easiest to be eloquent when I'm speaking about something that fills me with passion.