What happens when we die?

[Yazkin]

I am a Christian, but my girlfriend is athiest. We were having a little "debate" just to pass the time on waiting for food to finish cooking and we spoke of death. She said after death, nothing. It is the human want to have life continue, but there is nothing after death. She also doesnt beleive in the soul.

is this true? I can't find any proof on either side, but it seems like her point is right to me...and i don't like thinking this is my only life. If anybody can shed some light, and give me proof that there is SOME sort of afterlife, i will greatly appreciate it. (I do love her, i dont care if she is athiest, but she just got me worried)

[desertrat]

This is certainly an old question . I will tell you what I believe , as to your girl friend , she may change her mind , or not. I see my self as having a soul or spirit that survives death. I believe in rencarnation , we come back into new lives , for karma , to be with loved ones , ect. There have been a few atheists that changed there view of life after a n.d.e. It may take a o.b.e. or a n.d.e. to change your girl fiends mind. desert rat

[Roaring Springs]

I don't agree with your girlfriend. It's up to you whether you believe me or her but I'm so glad you brought this up and that you're a Christian because another Christian informed me of something that enlightened me so much and is changing my life.

I'm not going to go through all the details but after we die, we go through something called purgatory, which is a "temporary Hell" to become cleaned of our sins. Think of it as taking a shower after a messy sweaty day. AND THEN we go to Heaven.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Yazkin

I am a Christian, but my girlfriend is athiest. We were having a little "debate" just to pass the time on waiting for food to finish cooking and we spoke of death. She said after death, nothing. It is the human want to have life continue, but there is nothing after death. She also doesnt beleive in the soul.

is this true? I can't find any proof on either side, but it seems like her point is right to me...and i don't like thinking this is my only life. If anybody can shed some light, and give me proof that there is SOME sort of afterlife, i will greatly appreciate it. (I do love her, i dont care if she is athiest, but she just got me worried)

What sort of proof would satisfy you, Yazkin? If you're asking for physical proof of the NON-physical, well, that can be hard.

Read some books on people who have had near death experiences.

Read some books on past life regression.

Read some books on in-between life regression.

I think it will reaffirm your (correct) belief that consciousness does not cease with the cessation of its container (the physical body).

[justanumber]

as someone who knows what life is all about,i can tell you that when people die,it is game over. our brain is our consciousness and when it dies,all of our thoughts and feelings and awareness dies too.

[Sandstone]

For many years I believed that when you die, you die. That's it. No more. You cease to exist.

Over the course of the past three years my views have changed significantly. I now believe that we are all energy, that energy cannot be destroyed, and that death as we know it is a physical death. Our physical body dies but our energy self lives on.

For about an entire year I approached all of this after-life stuff with extreme, extreme skepticism. The book that really made the different for me was The Afterlife Experiements by Dr. Gary Schwartz.

[Wax Frog]

Well, maybe you grab at your chest, make a "G-g-n-n-ahhh-urrgghhh" sound, then fall over and turn funny colors J/K ...

[HiImJeremy]

Originally Posted by justanumber

as someone who knows what life is all about,i can tell you that when people die,it is game over. our brain is our consciousness and when it dies,all of our thoughts and feelings and awareness dies too.

Wow! Lets hope your ego goes with it there mate

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

maybe you grab at your chest, make a "G-g-n-n-ahhh-urrgghhh" sound,
then fall over & turn funny colors J/K ...

will Resurrect shortly...

[180]

Nobody knows....

[desertrat]

The people that believe this one life is all we get , I call "grab for the gusto people " its from an old beer add . It means you live it up rite now , kind of live for the minute , you wont get a secount chance , and drink lots of the beer they sell . Not what I believe , but moderate beer is ok. desert rat

[Yazkin]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Well, maybe you grab at your chest, make a "G-g-n-n-ahhh-urrgghhh" sound, then fall over and turn funny colors J/K ...

Hahaha you are hilarious xD Made my day! But still...this forum also seems to have both opinions.

And i ask for non-physical proof, i know physical is impossible, noting the scientists saying "I dunno. Rot into the ground?"

[Nbax]

Ok, this is my first post so hi there

Now, I believe that either there's nothing or there's everything once we die, one thing is certain, there's no time.

Time is a perception. Lets come up with this example

Whenever you try to kill a fly with your hand it gets away.
Even if we think that slap we gave it was really fast it could receive the information, process the information an "tell" their legs and wings to work in a way that could get it out of that situation.

This means that a fly can receive/process more information for, say, a second than we can.
This also means that time goes by slower to that fly than it goes for us, as its tiny brain (or nervous system) processes information faster than ours.

When we die (while we are dying) our brain will process information slower and slower to a point that the time goes faster and faster.
When it has no energy left, or no blood left (whatever) time will flow so fast or not flow at all..

reply please

[Yazkin]

Originally Posted by Nbax

Ok, this is my first post so hi there

Now, I believe that either there's nothing or there's everything once we die, one thing is certain, there's no time.

Time is a perception. Lets come up with this example

Whenever you try to kill a fly with your hand it gets away.
Even if we think that slap we gave it was really fast it could receive the information, process the information an "tell" their legs and wings to work in a way that could get it out of that situation.

This means that a fly can receive/process more information for, say, a second than we can.
This also means that time goes by slower to that fly than it goes for us, as its tiny brain (or nervous system) processes information faster than ours.

When we die (while we are dying) our brain will process information slower and slower to a point that the time goes faster and faster.
When it has no energy left, or no blood left (whatever) time will flow so fast or not flow at all..

reply please

So you are saying that it is just a 50 - 50 chance?

[Nbax]

Originally Posted by Yazkin

So you are saying that it is just a 50 - 50 chance?

No, I'm saying I don't know yet. I haven't thought about this in a while. What's the point? even if there is or isn't life after we die, It's going to happen.
It's not like we can prepare to resurrect, after all, we wont remember a thing right?
If there's such a thing as heaven I'm not going there for sure.
There's no reason for me to think about this

[Sbonn]

Have you considered reading a couple of books that share NDEs (near death experiences)?



I unfortunately do not have any suggestions for you in the way of book titles but, maybe others do. I am thinking that might be a good place to get some of the insight you are seeking

HUGS

[Nbax]

Originally Posted by Sbonn

Have you considered reading a couple of books that share NDEs (near death experiences)?

I unfortunately do not have any suggestions for you but, maybe others do. I am thinking that might be a good place to get some of the insight you are seeking

HUGS

I read some NDEs and people actually support the idea of there being no time.

[Yazkin]

I dont want to read books on it, they can all be lies or truthful. But it is just an opinion that was revised over people who never had that experience or wasn't the author.

[Sbonn]

ok maybe a message board where people who have experienced NDE post?

This way you hear it from the people themselves?

These are only suggestions

[Yazkin]

^^'' i really don't know.

[desertrat]

Many years ago the t.v. show saturday night live did a skit. In the skit people would tell of a n.d.e. Each would tell of going through the tunnel of white light being lead to a room and being told to take a number , sit down , and then weight. desert rat

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Yazkin

Hahaha you are hilarious xD Made my day! But still...this forum also seems to have both opinions.

And i ask for non-physical proof, i know physical is impossible, noting the scientists saying "I dunno. Rot into the ground?"

I've personally resigned myself to this being a question only fully answerable when the curtains fall. I comfort myself with the idea that, if indeed I can come to an end, I was never "real" to begin with - no point in an illusion worrying, is there? I also tell myself that if this body wasn't "meant" to die, it wouldn't, so whatever happens to me will be perfectly (for lack of a more precise term) normal.

Having blathered all this, I will say that I CHOOSE to believe, for various reasons, that existence is inherently meaningful and that some part of us DOES go on.

[hazelfern]

For myself, I believe that there is an existence after our physical body dies here. This belief is based on experiences I have had and they are not experiences that would necessarily prove anything to anyone else.

I also have beliefs on what that existence is like, based on my experiences and reading.

I did find this site a while back that you might find interesting, Afterlife Sciences - Evidence for Life after Death

[Erin Pavlina]

I believe there is life after death for three reasons.

1. I remember what it's like before you incarnate. These are my memories and could never be submitted as proof to anyone else. I'm okay with that.

2. I've had astral projection (out of body experiences) where I have left my body behind and continued on in spirit. Again, these are my experiences and since no one was with me during them I don't expect anyone to take this as evidence either. But I can tell that I don't fear death because I know it's going to be like leaving the body during an astral experience.

3. And lastly, I am a medium and have spoken with deceased people and their living loved ones who were able to validate for ME that these dead people really used to be alive. I have done readings for total strangers who I know I don't know, and their dead loved ones have presented themselves to me with unique validation that I know I couldn't have known. Now the only people who have proof of this are me and the client I was reading for, so I also cannot submit this as evidence for you. I'm okay with that also.

If you're interested I say explore the topic. Talk to people who had near death experiences. Talk to a medium. See if they can give you some validation that will satisfy you.

Someone once said to me, "Maybe you're not talking to dead people, maybe you just have telepathy and your'e reading your client's mind." To that I say, first, "well telepathy is kind of cool isn't it?" And second... i read for a gal once and a dead person cme through to me with a strong Russian or German accent (I wasn't sure) and told me she was the girl's great grandmother, and showed me a gnarled old body and said she had ridiculous arthritis when she died. So my client had no idea who Iw as talking about as she had never met her great grandmother. So after the call she asked her mother who confirmed for her that she had a great grandmother from Russia who died of rheumatoid arthritis. So I couldn't have been reading the girl's mind as she didn't know who the woman was.

I absolutely love it when deceased people come through in a reading, but I also have no control over who comes in and who doesn't, which is frustrating but that's the way it is.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

I CHOOSE to believe,
for various reasons, that existence is inherently meaningful and that some part of us DOES go on.

Good for you!! Froggy-friend

For these 4 or more evidences, I know that (physical)-death is only for a blink, beyond
which lies ALL the vastness of eternity:

1) As a Christian, I have had & exchanged telepathically, information about living people in places (beyond earth)
that I have no memory of having visited, yet we were meeting there. Proof of the fact that TIME is just for our benefit here. Such that what we think of as "past, & present, & future" is in fact all happening right NOW. - Death holds no fear, for a true Christian.

2) Animal-communicators such as Amelia Kinkaide, has Living animals tell her of (past, present & future) events all the time. And animals don't make things up, out of thin air. - What animals claim, actually has been verified.

3) OOB experiences people tend to want to mix with NDE's
because of the assumption of leaving one's body, a misnomer.
Because the essence/soul/mind of who we really are, does NOT reside "in the body" to begin with.
Having worked for decades in nigh every med-specialty, I have addt'l & repeated awareness.

4) And last tho really 1st, are GOD's as Jesus' life, teachings & Resurrection - (you claimed being a Christian,
so what of your own precious personal relationship with your Creator, Father, Savior, Teacher & Resurrector ). God spoke, & exemplified THE TRUTH in every context especially of our LIFE eternally with Him

So Talk to people who had near death experiences.
They too can give you validation that can satisfy you; yet GOD's assurance wasn't enough for you?

[Irisha]

Why can't the memories about the past reincarnation, and the experiences of a medium be explained by the ability of a medium to receive information from the Akashic Records? And why can't the information of the Akashic Records be actually the information which the subconscious mind possesses? In this case, if it can be like this, why can the proof about the afterlife be based on the images of the subconscious mind which belongs to the reality of the existing Universe, but not to the other side? The other side is the place nobody came back from, and if they claim they have been there, doesn't it mean they actually have never been there? How can OBE and NDE be the proof of the afterlife? These experiences also take place with the alive, and can be explained by the peculiar reaction , or functioning of the brain.
I know a psychic (MrG) who can have a telepathy contact with any person, and who made it with the dying people several times. He says there is nothing after the death. I think (as he has not also been in the other side yet) this 'nothing' viewed as the opposite to'everything', can be this 'everything' under certain circumstances, in the realm of the 'other side' when the duality doesn't exist anymore. But what is the value of this 'everything' for the alive? They are not able to comprehend it as they are not in the other side yet, and for them this 'everything' is really 'nothing'. So, the answer about what is there when we die , is 'nothingness' for those alive. And other answers which give some hope for an afterlife are valid only in terms of 'giving a hope'. Or, one more variant, the answer can be: Nobody can know for sure till they learn about it when they die. Or: You can try to imagine something that is similar to the experiencing the uniting with the Universe and God. Maybe it is the same. Maybe not. Anyone will know for sure only when they die.
Sorry for my English.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by Irisha

How can NDE be the proof of the afterlife?

These experiences also take place with the alive, and
can be explained by the functioning of the brain.

When a person died of natural causes, & was DEAD for 40-minutes, or even hours,
and the brain had zero-activity going on, there is No "Alive, or functioning". - hence, another NDE.

[HiImJeremy]

Mr G doesn't sound like a particularly good psychic.

Edit:

Or particularly nice.

[Erin Pavlina]

Well the body doesn't cross over, so yeah, the body is going to die, the brain will stop functioning, the heart will stop. You discard the peanut shell before you eat the peanut right? Don't confuse the shell with the nut.

Consciousness can survive without the body. the body houses the soul while we are in this density and when we go back to the ether we leave the physical shell behind.

[Irisha]

But how can we know (before we die) that consciousness can survive without the body? The experiences of a medium, Astral Projecting, memories about reincarnation are possible when a person has a physical body... Consciousness and soul are not the same thing... Consciousness exists when the person has a body, it's the product of the brain. Soul is eternal. It's a particle of God.