Lucid dreaming vs Astral travel

[Oceans]

Who can do both and what's the difference?

Are they not the same thing unless you believe otherwise?

[Erin Pavlina]

Astral Projection and Dreaming

Does Lucid Dreaming Lead to Astral Projection?

Try those.

[Oceans]

Thanks Erin,


Been training to become lucid so who knows where it'll lead me
I spend 30% of my life asleep so I might as well have some fun and expand my life


Why do people astral in the first place, is it just not another form of escapism of our experience of life (same as TV and these forums )?

[MiBeloved]

Lucid dreaming is subtle experience while fully conscious of the physical body.
Astral projection is the same subtle experience while being displaced out of the physical body and not being aware of the physical form.

[Oceans]

Originally Posted by MiBeloved

Lucid dreaming is subtle experience while fully conscious of the physical body.
Astral projection is the same subtle experience while being displaced out of the physical body and not being aware of the physical form.

In my lucid dreaming experiences I knew it wasn't 'my' body, just a representation of it. I've heard that happens in astral as well no? Astral body etc...

Maybe I don't understand

[MiBeloved]

Yes, astral is very similar.

[Oceans]

Originally Posted by MiBeloved

Yes, astral is very similar.

Mkay, I personally don't see any need to astral travel so i'll prob just leave it at lucid dreaming.

Maybe I don't know the benefits from it yet....what are they to you/anyone else reading this?

[MiBeloved]

There is really little difference between the two but with astral travelling you get personal experience of some of the dimensions. And especially you get to understand what it would be like to exist without a physical body. It is like you get to know what you will be doing when you lose this present body.

[Erin Pavlina]

The main difference is that with lucid dreaming you are going into your inner mind, your imagination, where the dream construct is filled with characters of your own design. You can control them in a lucid dream.

With astral projection you are going to a construct outside of your own mind, a real place, where every character you meet is real and not part of your imagination. You can't control them.

[Oceans]

Mmm...doesn’t 'waking up' from unconsciousness make you realise everything is in your own mind already.

The way I’m currently seeing it is that lucid dreaming supports and mirrors ‘oneness’ whereas astral travel creates separation. For me it creates more ‘attachments’, promotes/supports polarity, and is just another distraction from life

If the astral world is just another imagined construct by us souls to experience life, why are people trying to experience it early while ignoring the current physical world?

What’s better in the astral world compared to life?

[Sypyres]

Originally Posted by Oceans

Mmm...doesn’t 'waking up' from unconsciousness make you realise everything is in your own mind already.

The way I’m currently seeing it is that lucid dreaming supports and mirrors ‘oneness’ whereas astral travel creates separation. For me it creates more ‘attachments’, promotes/supports polarity, and is just another distraction from life

If the astral world is just another imagined construct by us souls to experience life, why are people trying to experience it early while ignoring the current physical world?

What’s better in the astral world compared to life?

I would have to say the flying part of astral travel. I can't fly in this physical world without some sort of device. Astral lets you go anywhere you want and places you don't. I can't say it's an imagined place if you astral to some place you have never been then go there in what we call "real life".

[wstein]

They are different. I can and have done a lot of both.

Lucid dreaming just means you know you are dreaming. This can happen totally in your bed at night. Some advanced lucid dreaming skills allow you to alter your dreams at will. But you are still limited to dreams and for most people your own dreams.

Astral travel (out of body travel – OBE) allows you to go to other places that exist independently of you (or other humans). Once there you may or may not be able to change things (or even perceive anything). In addition to exotic ‘planes’ you can visit non-physical realms, realms without manifest existence (abstract and theatrical possibilities only) , alternate incarnations, alternate timelines, and even your over-soul’s memories. For some ‘places’ that can be visited, not only is flying not possible, no kind of movement is possible.

[Oceans]

So can two people meet up while both having OBE at the same time?

Logic would say yes.

[Sypyres]

Originally Posted by wstein

They are different. I can and have done a lot of both.

Lucid dreaming just means you know you are dreaming. This can happen totally in your bed at night. Some advanced lucid dreaming skills allow you to alter your dreams at will. But you are still limited to dreams and for most people your own dreams.

Astral travel (out of body travel – OBE) allows you to go to other places that exist independently of you (or other humans). Once there you may or may not be able to change things (or even perceive anything). In addition to exotic ‘planes’ you can visit non-physical realms, realms without manifest existence (abstract and theatrical possibilities only) , alternate incarnations, alternate timelines, and even your over-soul’s memories. For some ‘places’ that can be visited, not only is flying not possible, no kind of movement is possible.

During my last post i was confused about the difference between Astral and OBE. Instead of Astral I was doing OBE though not asleep but it wasn't at will. When I mentioned flying during OBE I didn't mean like Superman or Neo but more like floating. In my Lucid, that' when it's like Neo but way lower. I don't understand why you say no movement is possible. R u saying you just stand there while other things go around?

[Erin Pavlina]

Sypyeres, no he was saying that in some astral locations you can't move.

for the most part, during astral projection, you are moving quite rapidly if you desire.

Two people CAN meet up during an OBe but they have to be doing it at the same time, in the same place, and at the same frequency so it's difficult to coordinate.

[wstein]

Originally Posted by Sypyres

During my last post i was confused about the difference between Astral and OBE. Instead of Astral I was doing OBE though not asleep but it wasn't at will.

Astral travel is one form of Out of Body Experience (OBE) also known as Out of Body Travel. The most common other form is Phasing from the work of Robert Monroe. Though the techniques differ, its all basically ways to detach your consciousness from your physical body and visit ‘other’ places (planes, dimensions, realms, etc). Different methods have different advantages and weaknesses.

Originally Posted by Sypyres

When I mentioned flying during OBE I didn't mean like Superman or Neo but more like floating. In my Lucid, that' when it's like Neo but way lower.

There are many manners of travel while OBE. The ‘techniques’ are not specific to your technique exit method and are also common to advanced lucid dreaming. The most common (among dozens) are walking, flying (superman style), flying (bird style usually with flapping), floating (moving by will), floating (moving by intent), and teleporting.

Originally Posted by Sypyres

I don't understand why you say no movement is possible. R u saying you just stand there while other things go around?

In 99.99999% of locations visited by humans, movement is possible and generally follows the rules you are used to (except the number of dimensions might be different). Note: 90+% of people only go to the Astral Planes where space and movement work the same way as on Earth.

In very selected locations no movement of any kind by anything is possible. You can’t move and nothing else around you can move. Only very advanced OBE travels can reach these locations, so don’t worry about it too much.

[Sypyres]

Wow, I have only been on this forum for about a good week maybe and I have learned more than in all my years. It's really nice to know I am not alone. I didn't think that mattered and I guess I tried not to let it bother me. I have some great friends but starting a conversation with, Oh I had the same dream again and decided to pause it and walk around or I OOBEd and kept going up and got scared. Yeah, what a way to conversate with people who do not understand and may think you are some freak. Man, I'm a grown man but I just sounded like a little kid back there. I guess I don't tell anyone because I assume they won't understand. I don't know. It's just great to come to a place where ppl have the same similar experience and able to help you out to advance your own skills. I need to restart a journal so I can account for all events.
Thanks everyone. I will use the knowledge you share to a good use and great purpose.