European and Asian Myths True?

[Yazkin]

When i was looking through some videos and readings of exorcisms and demon sightings, i tend to find that some are related to Mythological beings (such as the gorgons, gargoyles, minotaur, and even imps).

Could the writings in the past be true? Could these "creatures" really be some of the known demons of the earth?

I would love to hear opinions and information on this!

[desertrat]

I think a lot of the dragon myths came from diging up dinosaur bones and not knowing they were millions of years old. But who knows. desert rat

[Andras]

There is one theory that I like; and it goes as follows...
all the demons are projections of out minds, and hence they are as real as you make them to be, once realizing this, their power and impact on us has diminished. When concentrating on something for an extended period we have the capacity to conjure them up as if they existed always.

Originally Posted by Yazkin

When i was looking through some videos and readings of exorcisms and demon sightings, i tend to find that some are related to Mythological beings (such as the gorgons, gargoyles, minotaur, and even imps).

Could the writings in the past be true? Could these "creatures" really be some of the known demons of the earth?

I would love to hear opinions and information on this!

[HiImJeremy]

Originally Posted by Andras

There is one theory that I like; and it goes as follows...
all the demons are projections of out minds, and hence they are as real as you make them to be, once realizing this, their power and impact on us has diminished. When concentrating on something for an extended period we have the capacity to conjure them up as if they existed always.

That sounds comforting, but in practice this will not hold up. I don't think by what you've said you've had any actual practical experience with demons. I call them negs, this desensationalizes the whole demon and other type of negatively influenced beings.

Just to be clear and honest, i haven't had personal experience with demons either, but what i do draw my understanding from are the experts-through-experience. Simply realising they are as real as you make them, does nothing. That will not effect them in the slightest, otherwise babies wouldn't get attacked.

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When i was looking through some videos and readings of exorcisms and demon sightings, i tend to find that some are related to Mythological beings (such as the gorgons, gargoyles, minotaur, and even imps).

Could the writings in the past be true? Could these "creatures" really be some of the known demons of the earth?

I believe this may be the case - some of the mythological stuff is mixed with fantasy obviously, but i think that portions of it can be true. Robert Bruce who is a visual clairvoyant has actually seen many different types of demon and has delat with them personally. He describes some of the most common and looking like gollum from Lord of the Rings. I think it's his view too that a lot of the stuff written about mythological creatures are accurate descriptions of these negs.

You really need to get Robert Bruces Practical psychic self defense handbook. He writes extensively about all these sorts of things ranging from psychic attack to possession to the Lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram. I think it will be highly informative. His work hasn't let me down yet! He also has heaps of free stuff on his websites. Astraldynamics.com check it out!

[Yazkin]

No S&H? lol I know i don't have much evidence to work with, for REAL videos are hard to come by (due to major hoaxes for YouTube fame and press glory) But i will try to give into what i can find. I will post when i have info..

Originally Posted by HiImJeremy

That sounds comforting, but in practice this will not hold up. I don't think by what you've said you've had any actual practical experience with demons. I call them negs, this desensationalizes the whole demon and other type of negatively influenced beings.

Just to be clear and honest, i haven't had personal experience with demons either, but what i do draw my understanding from are the experts-through-experience. Simply realising they are as real as you make them, does nothing. That will not effect them in the slightest, otherwise babies wouldn't get attacked.

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I believe this may be the case - some of the mythological stuff is mixed with fantasy obviously, but i think that portions of it can be true. Robert Bruce who is a visual clairvoyant has actually seen many different types of demon and has delat with them personally. He describes some of the most common and looking like gollum from Lord of the Rings. I think it's his view too that a lot of the stuff written about mythological creatures are accurate descriptions of these negs.

You really need to get Robert Bruces Practical psychic self defense handbook. He writes extensively about all these sorts of things ranging from psychic attack to possession to the Lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram. I think it will be highly informative. His work hasn't let me down yet! He also has heaps of free stuff on his websites. Astraldynamics.com check it out!

[desertrat]

Going with the idea of some demons being a creation of the human mind. I wounder how many are just thought forms. desert rat

[Yazkin]

Originally Posted by desertrat

Going with the idea of some demons being a creation of the human mind. I wounder how many are just thought forms. desert rat

Well, we do only seem to use 10% of our brain, so maybe the rest is used for conjuring and telekenisis? Other than that i don't see how object can fly at people or move

[NSS]

Plenty of stories in the magic community about people evoking and encountering all kinds of mythological beings. From Greek gods to the boogeyman.

The best way to know for sure is to learn and try to evoke them yourself.

[desertrat]

Before summing up demons and such remember Alister Croley , he was quite knowadgable on occult matters and even he summened up a demon he could not banish . As the story goes he just moved, or was kicked out of England. desert rat

[Yazkin]

Originally Posted by NSS

Plenty of stories in the magic community about people evoking and encountering all kinds of mythological beings. From Greek gods to the boogeyman.

The best way to know for sure is to learn and try to evoke them yourself.

Uhm....NSS. I have already called upon demons multiple times, trying to learn their origins. I have marks to prove it, and i was already convinced not to do it again by this community.

[desertrat]

I dont advise summining demons , but some will summon differnt beings. They know what they are doing . Who to summon , what to ask them and how to send them back. desert rat

[NSS]

Originally Posted by Yazkin

Uhm....NSS. I have already called upon demons multiple times, trying to learn their origins. I have marks to prove it, and i was already convinced not to do it again by this community.

I never said anything about demons. Since you have experience in summoning already, why not try to get in touch with other mythological beings and creatures to see if they really exist.

FWIW I disagree that you should stop contacting demons. If you educate yourself enough and don't be an idiot when dealing with them, no reason for you not to do it.

[HiImJeremy]

Originally Posted by Yazkin

Uhm....NSS. I have already called upon demons multiple times, trying to learn their origins. I have marks to prove it, and i was already convinced not to do it again by this community.

I'm not trying to discredit your experience, but if this were in fact real, don't count on them being gone now. You gave them permission when you 'called upon them'. They're just laying low.

[Yazkin]

Originally Posted by HiImJeremy

I'm not trying to discredit your experience, but if this were in fact real, don't count on them being gone now. You gave them permission when you 'called upon them'. They're just laying low.

And they might not be! All i can say is they haven't shown themselves for a long while.

But i might go into looking for ways to "summon" these mythological entities, see if they exist. I might start with the commonly known incubus or succubus. If i cannot find them, i'll take suggestions.

[HiImJeremy]

Originally Posted by Yazkin

And they might not be! All i can say is they haven't shown themselves for a long while.

But i might go into looking for ways to "summon" these mythological entities, see if they exist. I might start with the commonly known incubus or succubus. If i cannot find them, i'll take suggestions.

Moving on to your point about summoning here, it's really just a very sincere intention of permission giving.

[desertrat]

If you want to drive a car , you learn to drive , how to safely use a car , what roads to use. You dont try to drive a 40 ton simi on a major interstate with out knowing what you are doing. Its the same with demons or any astral critter. The golden dawn and others have rituals to summon and banish differnt beings. Know who you want and why. You might want that cute lady from work for a visit , and not that wino bum that hangs out in the back alley. There is a lot of golden dawn info on the net hear are few of the many links Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ‪1. Golden Dawn Temple Initiation & Magick Rituals Documentary With Opening Lecture by David Griffin‬‏ - YouTube The Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn desert rat

[NSS]

Originally Posted by HiImJeremy

Moving on to your point about summoning here, it's really just a very sincere intention of permission giving.

By permission giving do you mean permission to harm or possess you?

If that's what you mean, based on what limited experience I have, I've found that communicating and giving permission are not the same thing.

I've been giving offerings to all the spirits in my area, from helpful ones to not so helpful ones for the past month. I've seen all kinds of figures in my peripheral vision while I'm giving the offering, but none of them have tried to harm me in any way. The worst that has happened is on the first night of giving the offering, while I was about to go to sleep, I saw an image of a woman lunging at me with a knife. That freaked me the **** out but after that everything has been fine.

Maybe it's different with demons I don't know, but I think anything that has the ability to cause you any real harm would have better things to do than **** with you just because you communicated with it, unless you provoked it in any way.

If you know a banishing ritual that adds to the protection and makes it pretty safe to communicate with most things out there.

If you or anyone else have any different experiences I'd love to hear about it.

[bluestar]

I always feel that whatever the Human Mind and imagination can dream up has the capability of becoming a concrete reality...on one plane or another. So..... beware that which thou desirest, (aka: put energy into)for that shall surely come to pass....

[Yazkin]

Originally Posted by NSS

By permission giving do you mean permission to harm or possess you?

If that's what you mean, based on what limited experience I have, I've found that communicating and giving permission are not the same thing.

I've been giving offerings to all the spirits in my area, from helpful ones to not so helpful ones for the past month. I've seen all kinds of figures in my peripheral vision while I'm giving the offering, but none of them have tried to harm me in any way. The worst that has happened is on the first night of giving the offering, while I was about to go to sleep, I saw an image of a woman lunging at me with a knife. That freaked me the **** out but after that everything has been fine.

Maybe it's different with demons I don't know, but I think anything that has the ability to cause you any real harm would have better things to do than **** with you just because you communicated with it, unless you provoked it in any way.

If you know a banishing ritual that adds to the protection and makes it pretty safe to communicate with most things out there.

If you or anyone else have any different experiences I'd love to hear about it.

I started a post on some things i've experienced. Does anyone else think demons are fun to mess with?

I still have the markings from when a demon attacked me, due to provoking it. What happened jistly is in that thread, if you wish to read it. (although im not sure it's as interesting as my other experiences)

And when you communicate with something, your giving it permission to enter or do things. Such as inviting someone over for a chat. So the two go hand - in - hand (i feel pretty smart right now)

[HiImJeremy]

Originally Posted by NSS

By permission giving do you mean permission to harm or possess you?

If that's what you mean, based on what limited experience I have, I've found that communicating and giving permission are not the same thing.

I've been giving offerings to all the spirits in my area, from helpful ones to not so helpful ones for the past month. I've seen all kinds of figures in my peripheral vision while I'm giving the offering, but none of them have tried to harm me in any way. The worst that has happened is on the first night of giving the offering, while I was about to go to sleep, I saw an image of a woman lunging at me with a knife. That freaked me the **** out but after that everything has been fine.

Maybe it's different with demons I don't know, but I think anything that has the ability to cause you any real harm would have better things to do than **** with you just because you communicated with it, unless you provoked it in any way.

If you know a banishing ritual that adds to the protection and makes it pretty safe to communicate with most things out there.

If you or anyone else have any different experiences I'd love to hear about it.

You bring up some good points here NSS. I appreciate your opinion here.

When you're doing a ritual of some sort, the big driving force behind it is the intention you bring with it. So if you are invocking something, to call forth, you are giving whatever that is permission to be there. This goes for High vibrational or low vibrational beings. Do i make sense so far?

Now you are right, communicating and giving permission are not exactly the same thing, but they do tie in together. Of course if your asking for communication, that is a form of permission. ' Come to me so we can talk'. That's pretty straight forward.

Running water effects spirits and negs. This has been known since ancient times. In fact i think they normally have running water passing underneath most church entrances. That's an interesting one. Modern plumbing blocks in a lot of spirits. That's a long story and heaps of explanation, this can explain why many get stuck inside houses. I don't think it's wise to give offerings,(which is actually permission) to all these random spirits in the area. You're dealing with potential life and death situations here.

Let us remember here, most spirits aren't harmful to you. They're just going about there business. Only a small percentage are harmful. You're lucky really.

Maybe it's different with demons I don't know, but I think anything that has the ability to cause you any real harm would have better things to do than **** with you just because you communicated with it, unless you provoked it in any way.

Demons have a purpose. Their purpose is to make your life difficult, so that you can grow spiritually. They will sabotage everything, they will do all the can to make your life as difficult and painful as possible. They can also be very patient. They will lay under the woodwork for years if they need to. Permission is normally given when one greatly desires spiritual growth and abilities. But here, you have chosen to talk to this entity, you have given quite a good amount of permission. It's presence was welcomed because you chose to talk to it. So, no, i don't think they have anything better to do - you are their purpose and it's their nature do what they do.

If you know a banishing ritual that adds to the protection and makes it pretty safe to communicate with most things out there.

This too, banishing rituals can be absolute life savers. Learning the Lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram is very helpful for more demonic activity. It is not an absolute fix though. For example, calling down the 'white light' is not very effective. People believe this, but it's a bit like a child pulling the blanket over their heads at night. There are many countermeasures that will help to defend yourself and get rid of them, but there is no one method that will absolutley keep you safe. You need to utilise many countermeasures to help yourself out. Still, it does not mean you are pretty safe when dealing with these beings. One would be naive to think one who is wielding a bow and arrow, they've only practised a couple of times with, is enough to take on a full grown male lion. The same applies here.

[NSS]

Originally Posted by HiImJeremy

I don't think it's wise to give offerings,(which is actually permission) to all these random spirits in the area. You're dealing with potential life and death situations here.

Let us remember here, most spirits aren't harmful to you. They're just going about there business. Only a small percentage are harmful. You're lucky really.

I actually started giving offerings just to prove to myself once and for all that there are such things as spirits.

It's a common practice in my country to give offerings to random spirits in an area, especially by the chinese community. There are altars by the roadside and near cemeteries where people put food, drinks and incense. Granted some of them do this to get help in the lottery or in business, but there are many who do it just to appease ancestor spirits or any that they may have angered accidentally.

I've never heard of any situations really where people have come to harm just by giving offering. If you disrespect the spirits or mess with them then sure they are going to **** you up if they can, but based on my experience and people I've talked to it's not too dangerous. In fact I've been told it's safer to give offerings than not cause you're building a friendly relationship with the spirits in your area just like you would with neighbours and such.

Of course until I don't experience anything bad I'm going to be biased, but this is pretty much my view. Yazkin sorry for derailing your thread

[Yazkin]

Originally Posted by NSS

I actually started giving offerings just to prove to myself once and for all that there are such things as spirits.

It's a common practice in my country to give offerings to random spirits in an area, especially by the chinese community. There are altars by the roadside and near cemeteries where people put food, drinks and incense. Granted some of them do this to get help in the lottery or in business, but there are many who do it just to appease ancestor spirits or any that they may have angered accidentally.

I've never heard of any situations really where people have come to harm just by giving offering. If you disrespect the spirits or mess with them then sure they are going to **** you up if they can, but based on my experience and people I've talked to it's not too dangerous. In fact I've been told it's safer to give offerings than not cause you're building a friendly relationship with the spirits in your area just like you would with neighbours and such.

Of course until I don't experience anything bad I'm going to be biased, but this is pretty much my view. Yazkin sorry for derailing your thread

Lol it is okay, my topic can only go so far, but you both bring up a good point!

[bluestar]

Giving permission for a Spirit to come to you isn't a question of words. Or what you say to them. It's a question of focus of intent, all on the mental/emotional levels, the unspoken.
One might think what would any dark Spirit want with little old me? Surely they have bigger fish to fry.....not necessarily so. That would be like a mouse thinking what would a mountain lion want with me? Surely it wants bigger prey?Mountain lions will eat anything they can catch