stoned and energy

[Ijin Kaion]

ok as i am typing this i am stoned.

i`m from the netherlands so it is legal here and i am above the permitted age of 18.
so i smoke once every week, or once every 2 weeks, not much.
so i`m not an addict or something.

so when i started drinking beer mostly at the age of 18, started smoking at the age of 19, and started smoking weed at the age of end 19, 2 weeks before my birthday.
i got introduced with it at work where i saw my colleages smoking after a hard night work, and my brother`s girlfriend at that time worked there too.
so my brother smoked weed too but he is older then me.
so learned it with my brother and got familliar with my limmit and how much i needed for the effect to take place.
i need little, and at later points as now i still smoke as often as before, so still not often, i could keep control over myself normally and smoke more.
i have rules for that because i don`t want to end up as a junk or devellop mental disorders from it.

so history states...

when i became familliar with smoking in control and smoke little, i started to notice that because the weed was making my mind step down a notch and i could focus on just my energy alone.
and understand it much better.

so i became familliar with that.

present...

now i sit here stoned, i just went outside in the nice weather in the dark.
i learned tips and tricks for rolling and stuff but i make them go well for myself.
i can feel my energy, my leg is moving up and down to the rythem of asian kung fu generation, uncontrolled, but it feels good.
i discover different ways to handle energy.
different means of creating it.
that`s what i did to advance from 22 chackra`s to 44.
just from a sweet little green plant:P

my enthousiasm is also more lively now i notice.
i feel ok because i reach deeper into my source of soothing.
i keep my body warm, i listen to nice music, i remember things from all the things i have done, and that has been nice because i lost all my memmory of my childhood, it`s like a blank that i`m slowly filling in.

so yes i`m ************ed up, i have a mental disorder wich i use rather then let it use me.
gives me more to do when i enrichen my existance.
i just spent listening a song and go up in it and i love it.
i`m swinging behind my keyboard^_^


but you know i write this now and it`s not like i lose my memmory of what i did.
my point to this is that my energy is also a lot more stronger when i`m stoned.

i also have these energy trips sometimes.
my senses can go haywire with it, but in a controlled manner.
sometimes it feels like my skin is on fire and it is buzzing and little drops of cool water are dropped on my skin at a fast rate.
it doesn`t hurt or anything it is just interresting:P [@.@weeee]
i have recieved a lot of ideas for illusion techniques through that.
it surely had a lot of effect on my inspiration within me.
who could have thought, all thanks to a sweet little green plant:P
but all in a controlled way.

i wear gloves because i have a high amount of energy that circulates freely and i was leaking constantly, giving people headaches or making them faint in my presence, the time of no control basically.
but with the techniques i did devellop i bought a pair of black socks, cut them to shape and then sealed several blocking techniques, that utillize some of the overflow of energy, in the fabric and structure of the gloves, so they recycle my energy send it to knowledge i`m researching on the ethereal plain, so they get done.

it`s a long process but worth the effort because now i can walk around without gloves, although i like to wear them as the pressure on my hands it gives is pleasant.
i learned to control the leaking on my own during the times i wear my gloves.
they are fingerless so they don`t give any dexterity problems.

damn i`m stoned...

i like to read this over with a mind not under influence tomorrow.
i`ll keep posting stuff if i see something, or remember something good.

feel free to comment this or ask questions i`ll gladly answer them^_^

abayo^_^

[Jill]

hmmm...

Who knew being stoned impaired one's ability to use the shift key?

[Shamou]

My advice to you Ijin Kaion is this... don't drink and drive... and don't get stoned and post... either will only get you into trouble...

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[Dr Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Ijin Kaion

i wear gloves because i have a high amount of energy that circulates freely
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with the techniques i did devellop i bought a pair of black socks, cut them to shape
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so they recycle my energy
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damn i`m stoned...

You're kidding. Stoned? I'd never believe it.

Gonzo

[Blueskied]

So much about about drugs raising awareness...
:-)

[ripcurly]

i have experienced many heightened states of awareness similar to ones you describe not only with weed but with mushrooms as well. let me be the first on this forum to tell you that from my experience, this will not last forever. drugs can bring you to higher levels of awareness, but at the same time there are horrendous side effects on your body. i totally ended up burning out, and since then i havent touched a drug or a drink. my advice to you would be to learn how to achieve this state without the use of drugs. then you can be in it all the time without impairing your mind and body.

drugs only activate chemicals already present in your brain. through meditation you can achieve these states, and it is wonderful. if i would have known about that it would have saved me a few years of brain damage. nowadays im just trippin out on everything so much without any thought of doing drugs. yesterday i learned how to make clouds disappear. everyday now im living in a magical world, and drugs, for me, would only take that magic away.

im not telling you what to do, this is just advice from someone who used to get really, really stoned. i have found a better way

[Emilee Leopard]

I'm a reformed woman...

I've experienced altered states of conciousness through hallucinogenics, ecstacy, weed, spped and god knwos what else.....

Yet in the long run it actually does no good....you are harming yourself, putting your body under extreme pressure...it really is masochistic...

Like what ripcurly said....there are other better purer ways.....

You can cultivate the feelings of ecstacy within you by putting your awareness on the memory of the feeling......

You can reach pure Joy...

Drugs are only pleasure....

Do you want pleasure....or joy?

[CeciL]

ROFL, I think you should check your stuff for little white rocks. BTW it only causes brain damages by taking near fatal doses (that myth came from injecting rats)... smoking it will never get you anywhere near that. It does cause short term memory loss, however it is only temporary and will subside after constant use.

[Emilee Leopard]

drugs alcohol smoking and any addictive behaviour lowers your conciousness.

People avoid life through addiction...

Life is change.

addiction is repetition to feel safe...

how many times do smokers stop life for a cigarette/joint.

How can people who take drugs, overeat, gamble and drink say they are experiencing life fully when they are merely repeating the same harmful experiences over and over

[Ijin Kaion]

if i`m correct i also posted that i don`t smoke that often and that i`m not addicted to weed nor the effects it gives.

my impairment to use the shift key is because my grammar sucks, and it is clear enough if you make the effort to actually read it.
and i don`t use it really.

so comments yes they came but a bit misread perhaps?

as i said before that i have a high amount of energy hasn`t changed, just my control of it.
and elevated state? no a step down.
i`m dissappointed in the comments i recieved to be honest.

it is not about what drugs does, but what i am able to do under the influence of drugs.
a note on hey it exists and happens.
being an energy user and being stoned has a different effect to people who don`t actively use energy or conciously.

i can get to that state if i try, weed works easier.
aswell as you don`t need to worry about my body.
it breaks down all substances in my body that are not supposed to be there, like alcohol and thc.

then another note, i don`t drive anything, just a worn down thing resembling a bicycle, i`m not an idiot you know.

rules i have, safety measures i have and posted where missed i presume, aswell the history to how i got into contact and learned in a secure environment, because i read the warnings i thought about myself before i even started.
even if i`m stoned it doesn`t mean i`m not in control of myself, if you say otherwise then you are weak and do not have any responsibillity of using it.

i said it before i`ll say it again:

i`m dissappointed in the replies i recieved.

so read it again, all of it, then try again.

abayo...

[wolfgang]

You expected people to say something else? What did you expect the responses to be? Are you looking for approval? Maybe that you aren't sure what you are doing is quite as good as you might think, so you want others to condone or say 'right on!'?

What happens after you come down? Do you feel like there's an regression after the body gets rid of the stuff? That it produces a back slide that makes you feel you've thrown away any personal development progress? That you have to go through a "down and out" or "burned out" period before getting back to "normal"?

I really don't know what you are on about. It sounds like you are interferring with your nerveous system with those effects you mention. I don't think it's actually really "energy" you were getting but results of the thc causing something different in your brain respectors. Sometimes, very rarely, thc and such can lossen the mind and it might help - but at an expense - the body does break down the toxins, but if you don't put those toxins in your body in the first place, the body doesn't have to do that work.

There was another thread that went on and on, both sides of this idea that some drugs help with "getting it", help with seeing the big picture or something. The problem I see is there's not much reverance for mary jane, it's become recreational rather than part of some specific group intending to discover what's behind the veil of illusions.

I've been reading about ayahuasca and it has DMT and it seems like there are workshops to go take this stuff - but it's under the idea that it's a workshop and there's a purpose behind the trip - not just a way to escape or be entertained.

I'm not sure if it was in the forum rules to refrain from posting when under the influence, I do remember Steve not wanting any stoned (and even hopped up on coffee) responses when he used to have comments under his blogs.

[Ijin Kaion]

if i would ask for approval then i would ask it in a direct manner.

the regression you mentioned is something i don`t have.
then the thc and the cost.

thc makes your blood thinner, makes you stoned.
it makes my normal active state automated.
so i basically step down and focus on something else, when smoking weed.
my body isn`t lazy, so breaking down thc is of no concern to me.

what i expected.
well what i expected was a more openminded reaction, such as oh i didn`t know that, or something.
it`s not like i have to chew what you bite off.

then i also get the impression that you think that i`m a 24/7 stoner.
wich is clearly stated while i was stoned, and while i was sober, that i don`t do it often and am not addicted.
but perhaps you should live in the netherlands to understand that here where it is allowed that we don`t have to go sneaky sneaky and smoke with a bad concience.

i make sure i feel good before i smoke weed.
i have rules as stated before.
this forum is called personal devellopment for smart people.
i`m starting to get the impression that simple stuff like this is still too difficult or something.

the energy trips i described are indeed an illusion of the senses.
the energy, wich through weed ì am better able to feel and guide, is there allready.

i study things about energy, this is but a small thing i noticed, and i wanted to share that experience.
i have done a lot more terrible things in my life then feel energy while i was stoned.

if you are looking for a chance to condemn my findings on the matter, because this particulair item involves weed, then your at the wrong shop for anarchy.

i share, if you want to know it then you`ll read it, if not then you won`t.
as simple as that.
but go ahead, check my other threads if you like, that`s what they are for.
might give you a better idea of me stoned and me sober and the things i have studied.

my findings on this matter are real, and no illusion.
i am aware of states i`m in, again i`m not an idiot.

well maybe there is some static in how i explain things, if that`s it then tell me and i`ll try again.

abayo

[Jill]

i`m dissappointed in the replies i recieved.

so read it again, all of it, then try again.

No thanks.

[Ijin Kaion]

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ok i`ll add some more otherwise it would become spam, moderator or not, i assume you read the last post at least.
your answer came is a bit like saying: i`d rather not fall from a building, after you fell from it.

if you don`t want to read it then don`t, but don`t post something like that, it`s just silly.

abayo

[Billy]

The bit about the gloves [socks] is definitely interesting, the rest I have no idea but I'll take your word on it.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Yes marijuana and shrooms, "drugs" from the mother earth, is ONE way to go if you want a little push into gaining psychic abilities. Weed is a gift, aswell as shrooms. I recommend you only do shrooms when in season or twice. Don't get hooked. Other then that, I'M usually stoned or not paying attention when something "psychic" happens to me. I find it relaxing when I smoke marijuana.

[Ijin Kaion]

well i don`t do other then weed because weed is strong enough for me.
but the most of it is indeed relaxing.
or you start to sink into thought, sitting outside at night, warm weather, joint and you just relax sitting there untill it`s done.

although i must set one thing straight, i don not gain abillities from smoking, just ideas for them.

the socks:P
well i didn`t do it for nothing, but they are handy and just proves that you can make helping hands yourself aswell.

nowadays people look at me strange because i wear socks:P
while it is actually keeping my energy away from theirs:P

[Shamou]

I have a question for you Ijin Kaion...

Would you agree to have an operation (if it was absolutely necessary to have it) from a surgeon who spends parts of his day stoned...???

Or, would you get in a plane if you knew that the pilot spends parts of his days stoned...???

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[Ijin Kaion]

first let me tell you a little something before i asnwer.

90% of the dutch police force is on hard drugs of almost any kind.
30% of fire department staff is alcoholic.
the staff at my local city hall is for 69% based on both.

these are people that patrol your streets, have to fight fire, and have to fill in the forms and files of salary and the like.

and that`s weed excluded.

i never needed surgery, and i would do it myself if i did need it to spare costs.
if i did go to the hospital and i would know my surgeon spends his spare time stoned, then that`s his spare time.

but funny you mentioned surgery since i know most of the human body`s functions and how very different my own are.

but when a person who has a proffession is stoned during work, then i`ll skip it.
if only in spare time, then he can go ahead, i`ll be awake anyway then so.

your question answered, you shouldn`t be paranoid about soft drugs that people use, it`s the hard drugs you should be carefull about.

if by any chance you cannot notice these things then you are ************ed, so notice them and you`ll be fine.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Ijin Kaion

so i basically step down and focus on something else, when smoking weed.

the energy trips i described are indeed an illusion of the senses.
the energy, wich through weed ì am better able to feel and guide, is there allready.

i study things about energy, this is but a small thing i noticed, and i wanted to share that experience.
i have done a lot more terrible things in my life then feel energy while i was stoned.

my findings on this matter are real, and no illusion.
i am aware of states i`m in, again i`m not an idiot.

You say "energy trips i described are indeed an illusion" but also "my findings on this matter are real, and no illusion" - so I'm not sure what you are going on about.

Good on you that you arent' a stonner, 24/7 user. You do seem to have respect of the substance and aren't uptight about useage - that netherlands culture must be part of that.

If you are aware of the states - what would you say is different about the energy with and without? To me, with thc, is not as good, it's actually more tense or out of control or wandering or unfocused or edgey, etc..

I have been on weed and done Tai chi - and, ok, it seems to kick up the energy awareness. Is this what you are saying, kind of? The thing is, it felt like cheating or not as real, true to the energy/chi and not as grounded and also had short term memory problems such that I'd forget what part of the form I was going through - and that was imparing my moving meditation - or I'd just try to ad lib the movement. And, even though usually thc is thought of as relaxing, it actually makes me more tense, as I can tell my movements are not as flexiable. So I don't do that anymore - I'd rather get energy going with out the thc because of these things.

Also, to make my point, I think thc use throws a monkey wrench in the works, such that it makes it harder to find the energy on your own when you try again without thc to sense/play with the energy. Do you find that to be the case?

[Ijin Kaion]

ah good question indeed.

through your use doing tai chi and grounding, i can say that i don`t do such things.
i work from my inner self alone.
so indeed it can feel fake and different when you do things invloving other things then just yourself.
and in that sense i would say watch out with that.
that is a way where indeed you can become infiltrated by an entity or person that means harm.

as to the efect of feeling uncomfortable, weed is a mood enhancer.
when you feel bad and smoke weed, you`ll feel worse.
so as i said before i allways make sure i feel good when i smoke.

so indeed it takes responsibillity to smoke weed, every bloak can smoke.
but you need some measures before you can enjoy the weed.

you also mentioned:
You say "energy trips i described are indeed an illusion" but also "my findings on this matter are real, and no illusion"

the workings of energy while being stoned can make your senses go haywire.
you experience illusions of the senses.

this finding is real.

hope i cleared that up now.

still if you want to know more then feel free to ask.

abayo^_^

[OpenMindedLiberation]

Hmm...Well I think it is possible to have "psychic" experiences while being high.
Example of my own:
"Well I remember I had just smoked a blunt and was just sitting in my brothers room with him. I was thinking about turning the tv down because I wanted to hear the song that was playing on his computer better. I leaned forward and turned the tv down, as it was on the lowest notch for volume the song restarted on my brothers computer. Now, I know you can have it set so the song replays, but he did not have it set to that. I asked him if there could be any other explanation for the song resarting, he said no. I knew I had restarted the song."

[Ijin Kaion]

well a friend of mine was messing with the stereo once, twisting the volume up with brain power.
weed doesn`t disable your energy being in total.
it slows down the physical so you can focus more on the ethereal.

i myself don`t use abillities such as telekinesis, also because i lack the calmth of mind, wich is also a must for using such abillities.


i did perform a different kind of telekinesis, at least it looks like telekinesis but is in fact shifting the air underneath a plane so they get a little turbulence.

not to crash them ofcourse, just to annoy them a bit because they make a lot of noise.

but i can use that anytime, but it did make my focus go better as i was relaxed and calm in my head.

so that`s also a possibillity to experience.

although it`s true that most people condemn weed.
i have a little info:

weed is healthier then a casual sigaret.
weed is healthier then alcohol.
weed goes good when you smoke before you drink aclohol.
weed goes good on a contently filled stomach, it gives you fuel for your body keeping you on track during energy trips.
weed goes good when you build up your limmit at home in a safe secure environment.

when weed becomes hazardous:
smoking large amounts on an empty stomach.
too much alcohol taken before smoking.
when spraying deodorant over your weed.
when going beyond your limmit when not at home.
when not in a good mood.

defining good mood:
happy, content, cheerful, radient with life, soothed, relaxed.

defining bad mood:
agrevated, annoyed, depressed, irritated, angry, sad, infuriated.

i`m sure you can fill in the rest of the good and bad.
but these are rules i keep in mind even when i`m stoned.

allways rest when you feel the need to, don`t fall asleep.
keep awake, be doing something, or look around and be at peace.
avoid light or wear sunglasses, sensitivity to light increases.

another hint:
weed goes good when you smoke it when you recieved good news, like i did today.

i recieved 5000,- euro on my bank account and never lifted a finger for it.
:P

so yes right now i`m in a good mood and stoned:P

abayo^_^

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Originally Posted by ripcurly

i have experienced many heightened states of awareness similar to ones you describe not only with weed but with mushrooms as well. let me be the first on this forum to tell you that from my experience, this will not last forever. drugs can bring you to higher levels of awareness, but at the same time there are horrendous side effects on your body. i totally ended up burning out, and since then i havent touched a drug or a drink. my advice to you would be to learn how to achieve this state without the use of drugs. then you can be in it all the time without impairing your mind and body.

drugs only activate chemicals already present in your brain. through meditation you can achieve these states, and it is wonderful. if i would have known about that it would have saved me a few years of brain damage. nowadays im just trippin out on everything so much without any thought of doing drugs. yesterday i learned how to make clouds disappear. everyday now im living in a magical world, and drugs, for me, would only take that magic away.

im not telling you what to do, this is just advice from someone who used to get really, really stoned. i have found a better way

Agreed. Out of curiousity how do you make clouds disappear? Ijin, your posts are VERY hard for me to make sense of. I cannot tell if you are on to something or suffering mental illness. I recently quit smoking marijuana but I had been smoking every day for years and you STILL are not making sense to me. I do well at making sense of stoned ramblings as I have had my own for years but I don't get you dude.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

how do you make clouds disappear?

I cannot speak for Ijin... but my guess is that he is figuratively speaking...

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[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I cannot speak for Ijin... but my guess is that he is figuratively speaking...

.

You can't speak for Ijin because he is not the one making clouds disappear, fact remains the one who IS making clouds disappear is NOT speaking figuratively. I would assume he is refering to that which is known as "cloudbusting" Cloudbusting! - Neil Slade's AMAZING Brain Adventure but thanks for your input.

[Ijin Kaion]

i myself never mentioned cloud busting.
clouds are but one thing in the sky, it is connected.
i flollow the sense of truth.
a rule in wich the truth is used to get the desired effect.

red clouds i did mention, sure i can do a lot of little tricks.

but what i said even when stoned does make sense if you see the simple logic in it, and ofcourse the truth.

i made 1401 lessons of truth once wich i was translating untill my computer died, it could have been nice to post indeed.

but i will explain this rule of truth.

fx: take a blind man, the blind man says that he attacks the person on the left, and truth in his words will make him attack the left one as he said, even though he is blind.

i don`t know if any of you do roleplay, but you often get actions that you have to explain.

fx, opens door*
if i`m blind, crippled, unable to move you name it.
i will still open the door as said.

so it`s flowing the action according to truth.

that`s litterally.

when figuratively, i`m close to vague.
i speak in riddles wich keeps the brains active.
both for me, as for the one that solves the riddle.

sure i will share, but it shouldn`t go easy.
i will correct errors though, or questions.

but i just like the sense of it.

abayo^_^

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

What exactly are you trying to say? Does he make sense to anyone? Am I the only one confused?

[Ijin Kaion]

means to understand are vast.
when you understand something you can use it.

i`m not that hard to understand, it`s not just litteral or figure of speech.

it`s somewhere in between.

but to revolve no further around riddle...

the subject started as a sharing of an experience and it`s data.

1. weed regresses your physical state, due to this more focus is free for energy.

2. weed can cause your senses to act out of control or stimulated by active energy control, wich causes illusions randomly.

3.(personal) weed causes me to feel my energy actively, the illusions stated are in my control and not allways present when i don`t feel like feeling them.

these first 2 things are the main statements i have.
the third is of my own experience.

let`s find out what you have to say or add.

[Jill]

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

Does he make sense to anyone? Am I the only one confused?

No, and no.