stoned and energy

[Ijin Kaion]

one time i can understand, twice the same kind of remark...

anyway, i stated 2 objective observings, and one non objective and personal experience.

i placed them because someone was lost, and it would make clear what the point behind this thread was.

is it because i make your vibe wrong or something?
or is it just because of some other reason?

at any rate, speak english or die, meaning if you do have something against me then just say it straight to my face.

if it lies different then still tell me straight to the face.

be truthfull and you will recieve truth, lie and truth will tell eventually.

[OpenMindedLiberation]

I think you were just a little unclear to some people with your wording at first.
My opinion.

[Ijin Kaion]

well to some yes and another asked for explaination or making clear of my words, however this was the second post by this person wich was lame and considered spam, besides of the little quote area.

ok i`m no moderator and she apparently is, so i shouldn`t be the one telling a moderator to keep it nice and clean now should i?

but oh well, i guess i`ll ask a final time for questions, since i basically explained most of what i mentioned, and if no reply comes then i`ll consider this topic dealt with.

abayo^_^

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by Ijin Kaion

at any rate, speak english or die, meaning if you do have something against me then just say it straight to my face.

if it lies different then still tell me straight to the face.

be truthfull and you will recieve truth, lie and truth will tell eventually.

I will tell you straight to your face that your post gave me several long minutes of uncontrollable mirth.

[placebo]

Hi Ijin Kaion!

I understand what are you talking about, tried few times to write stoned but it's hard to write and think at the same time. So many thoughts come and simply you can't type fast enough, or keep one thought long enough to create some kind of good story of it.

I remember my first speed experience (an the last one). While being high i forced myself to remember that feeling best i can so i could reproduce it later. And it works. It was such a great ego trip, i was king of the world, walking down the beach in late mourning hours with sunglasses on. Only happiness was in my head, for the first time in my life i was happy and nothing else. No problems or worries, just me living in the presence as much as i could. Still i become a bit happier when i think about it so i use that experience as an anchor to my positive emotions.

You say that it is easier to achieve some state by smoking ganja. Yes it is. Also i could probably achieve the same if i take a line of speed now. But it's not a solution. I figured out that feeling like that is possible, i can do it without drugs. (except for a few times ) You have it inside, drugs helped you to find out what is it. Now it's on you to try to achieve that in reality and make some value for yourself or for others.

[Ijin Kaion]

well ofcourse speed and weed are two different things, but i`m not stoned all the time or anything or get stoned to work with energy.
it`s something that happens when i`m stoned, i just documented it after a while.

i don`t really have the impairment of thought since it is very much present when i`m stoned or not.
my choice of word will become slightly different though.

but yes stoned again because i still had from the weekend and still have.
i didn`t really think this topic would last long when i started it since there is allways a lot of fuzz about drugs and about energy.

so i just proved a couple of facts about weed as an energy worker.

and the experience well let`s just say it`s weird, funny and filling with mirth:P

but thanks for the add-ons.

abayo^_^

[wolfgang]

I think most pot heads would agree that weed does make the feeling of "energy" kind of show up, or be accessible. But, still, there's a big difference between the energy quality straight versus being on weed.

The weed energy, to me, is jittery and ungrounded and nerveous and undirected and spacey and "all over the place" not as controlled, more amped up. There's also some feeling that something is in theway, some sort of blockage, not a complete flow, when high. In contrast feeling the energy straight feels more authentic, grounded, lasting, comfortable, relaxing, complete, conherent.

If you do know energy then you too could state your experiece of the feelig of energy under the influence versus energy when straight.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I think most pot heads would agree that weed does make the feeling of "energy" kind of show up, or be accessible. But, still, there's a big difference between the energy quality straight versus being on weed.

The weed energy, to me, is jittery and ungrounded and nerveous and undirected and spacey and "all over the place" not as controlled, more amped up. There's also some feeling that something is in theway, some sort of blockage, not a complete flow, when high. In contrast feeling the energy straight feels more authentic, grounded, lasting, comfortable, relaxing, complete, conherent.

If you do know energy then you too could state your experiece of the feelig of energy under the influence versus energy when straight.

Good post wolfgang... I don't know anything about drugs (except alcohol) but I have enjoyed and learned from your presentation on the subject...

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[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

I think most pot heads would agree that weed does make the feeling of "energy" kind of show up, or be accessible. But, still, there's a big difference between the energy quality straight versus being on weed.

The weed energy, to me, is jittery and ungrounded and nerveous and undirected and spacey and "all over the place" not as controlled, more amped up. There's also some feeling that something is in theway, some sort of blockage, not a complete flow, when high. In contrast feeling the energy straight feels more authentic, grounded, lasting, comfortable, relaxing, complete, conherent.

If you do know energy then you too could state your experiece of the feelig of energy under the influence versus energy when straight.

I agree with this statement 100% that is exactly how my energy feels when high. This does not take any value away from said experience though, and if you focus and flow with the high, this energy will center and you WILL experience something truly amazing. Not bad, not good. Just is. I understand what you are saying now Ijin, fully and I agree with you, fully. I will only say not to RELY on the marijuana, as it is a quick way to get somewhere but you can do it all on your own, and I know you know that and I know you do no t smoke daily, so no worries. I have no problem with you or anyone else. I appologize for the way I interacted with you in my previous statements, I was in a different state at that time and now after a wonderful weekend with Guruji Sri Vast, I can say the fog has lifted and your points are now fully clear to me. I wish you continued blessings along your journey. Love, my brother.

[Ijin Kaion]

well thank you

wolfgang, your post makes sense to the application of normal energy flow.
i think to get both our points clear i will add something to your post.

namely:

when knowing energy in the sense that i mean, i disect it, learn from it and understand it.
like a 6th sense but then different, more described as closing your eyes and then understanding what the variety of energy types in and around you at that moment is, or that of other moments.

it`s understanding the energy in and around me without seeing or feeling it.

then to straight vs stoned.

if i would feel energy normally, then your statement would apply to me.
so on a personal lvl your statement is incorrect, but to average to common it`s a fact.

as i stated before reasons and rules for smoking are handy to prepare yourself, i might be good at things so i could live on the edge, but i have no such intentions so i apply my rules.

then quality of energy, my quality is regulated through control and controled automation.
i places limmiters on my energy output, lvl, emotion, rage, tranquill, soothing all states are automated in output and activity, when i smoke weed these limmiters become active so the bad sides of weed are filtered and taken care of.

the good sides are utillized to do it`s purpose, to get stoned from it.

but hey that`s all personal experience again.

thanks for your post wolfgang.

abayo^_^

[Decheron]

I smoked hash and weed for many years, mainly as a religious experience. I had my fair share of mushrooms and LSD in younger days. I've used all of these in developing psychic skills and awareness, although these abilities were there without any help from drugs.

I certainly found that people who used these substances were changed permanently, usually for the better. On the whole, smokers were more sympathetic and empathic of others, more appreciative of nature and not hurting the planet, more openminded towards the strange side of life and more spiritually aware and accepting (not necessarily of conventional religion). That's not to say there aren't recreational only users, just using these things like other people go to the pub. It's just that the culture at its innermost depths is a gentle, enlightened community.

In the case of our Netherlands smoker, though, it's hard to find his purpose in this section of the forum. I think it may be a language barrier, although the Dutch are usually very proficient in English (all those UK hashtourists). Perhaps he is just very young, inexperienced and hasn't found the means to express what he is describing. Either way, he's not making sense. Perhaps if he slowed down and stopped thinking the forum is attacking him, his point may come across at last.

By the way, I think you are very lucky to live in such an enlightened environment. I have always wished I could go to Holland and find out what it's like to smoke with the same freedom everyone else is allowed to get drunk.

[Ijin Kaion]

well you would be able to smoke without looking over your shoulder all the time.

enlightened community, yes i meet a lot of new people at the coffeeshop, last time i was there an ex colleage wanted to shoot a videoclip for my band.
i mean a place full of good vibe, even though once in a while a bad person comes in, or he tries to mess with people, but then get their ass kicked because the whole coffeeshop will turn their attention to such a person.

a wasn`t feeling like i was attacked by you i must say, it`s simply my rather weird way of telling things, so don`t worry it`s not a language barrier, in fact my english is better then my dutch.

at 2 times i was agrevated because of 2 posts that just lacked anything.
at the others i was defending my point from prejudice and stereotypism, so i could claim my point better.

sure it`s also a part to myself so i can gather the data at once and store it for later or direct use.

for the rest i was stoned and sober, depending on the post.

then another point then, that when you smoke less or not at all, that you can obtain the state of being stoned without smoking any weed.

at least i can.

my way is of direct manipulation of my state of mind or feeling.
another is to roll a fake joint and psychologically get stoned.

what are your thoughts on that?

[Jenny]

Originally Posted by Ijin Kaion

then another point then, that when you smoke less or not at all, that you can obtain the state of being stoned without smoking any weed.

at least i can.

what are your thoughts on that?

Ijin,
You're kind of a nut but crazy enough I do understand what you are saying about obtaining a certain state of mind without having to be using drugs because you've experienced it enough times before. I think this also applies to states one has reached through meditation for instance. So, I guess experience anything enough and you can create it at will...

PS. You might want to consider laying off the weed just a bit, but whatever makes you happy I guess.

[Angela]

I'm getting a contact high. Where's my socks?

[Ijin Kaion]

sure, after this week i`m slowing down with booze and weed.
had my party days, now back to work, not that i have a job...

but sure i can smoke a joint whenever i feel like it.

but my points on it are handled, i don`t know what other questions may arise, but i`m considering this thread done and dealt with.

unless someone wants to post nonetheless.

thanks for the mindfullness and to those without, thanks for letting me know in advance, i`ll be watching you:P

abayo^_^

[Billy]

Hi ijin, keep it up because the world needs free thinkers ,and dude your certainly a Free Thinker!

[Ijin Kaion]

thank you, but for the point i placed here i have my answers and gave my answers, i would just repeat myself more if i continued this topic.

not that i don`t want to, but it would be pointless, unless you have something new to add.
in that case i`d be happy to reply.

abayo^_^

[Billy]

Well I was a heavy smoker for close to ten years, and I quit because of the strain it was causing to my energy levels. I cant see much good in it to be truthfull, since it does not really have any place but as a relaxing escape from reality, but we definitely need to respect other peoples opinions and ideas since they may come up with something once in a while thats usefull for all. And if someone wants to smoke I say Toke Up.

[Sunsingh]

The mystic Ralph Waldo Emerson stated that the use of drugs as shortcuts on the spiritual path all lead to dead ends, despite the fact that it may look as if they are speeding a person up on their journey for awhile. Sometimes it may be too late to turn back.

Additionally, when it comes to safe use, some cultures have techniques and knowledge available for this, other cultures (europe, usa) do not due to decades or more of repression. I believe what Emerson said, that in the long run, drug use to aid in spiritual growth leads to dead ends.

[Jenny]

Originally Posted by Sunsingh

The mystic Ralph Waldo Emerson stated that the use of drugs as shortcuts on the spiritual path all lead to dead ends, despite the fact that it may look as if they are speeding a person up on their journey for awhile. Sometimes it may be too late to turn back.

Additionally, when it comes to safe use, some cultures have techniques and knowledge available for this, other cultures (europe, usa) do not due to decades or more of repression. I believe what Emerson said, that in the long run, drug use to aid in spiritual growth leads to dead ends.

I don't know. While I agree that chronic use of drugs is not a "shortcut" on the spiritual path (or any path for that matter) occasional use of drugs can provide mind opening experiences that allow you to re-evaluate the way you view the world, spirituality, your life, etc.

As far as repression goes, I'm not sure what cultures you are referring to that have "techniques and knowledge available for this..." Could you say more?

[maximebellemare]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I have a question for you Ijin Kaion...

Would you agree to have an operation (if it was absolutely necessary to have it) from a surgeon who spends parts of his day stoned...???

Or, would you get in a plane if you knew that the pilot spends parts of his days stoned...???

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of course not. but when the work is more creative, theorical, being stoned can help you to see things in a different way. This is what creativity is. this is how the dna chain as benn discovered, by someone on lsd