Belief in curses?

[Weena]

Do you? Inspired by an other topic...

Personally I absolutely do not. As much as I believe in lots of things..."curses" seem like complete BS to me...

[spacecadetglow]

Yeah, no.

[Summerbreeze]

Where is the indecisive button? Basically I've no reference in believing or not.

Yet I do not, though it'd the slightest thing, when I compare to other weird things I have to believe in or I've to question my sanity.

It's a definition thing also, what's a spell and what a curse?
Someone voluntarily read in my 'Akashic data', I had a spell from a negative entity ongoing on me, not meaning that I necessarily believe in it.
My guides laughed at it without giving an answer and I'm not yet so good at reading the AR to find out.

I've never had interest in this direction, I'm more the explorer than the magician
But there are others here on the forum, that can say something to this subject.

But from the aspect how we create reality and have set 'parameters' before incarnating, I'd say there will nothing happen that we have not created in the first place, just in case it's somewhere subconsciously fear based.

~sb

[elucidate]

I think that the power of suggestion is a formidable thing, and fear can be put into someone so they become clumsy or nervous, because they think they are cursed and death is near, and don't watch where they are going, and walk in front of a bus...but that is psychological. It's a mind game more than anything.

A person can be accident prone or be having a bad time in their life and feel like they are cursed, but that is usually more to do with their own problems than anything else.

I do think that harmful energy via thoughts and intent can be sent to someone and it will effect their auric field if the person isn't aware of how to clear and keep their aura clean...but if they are healthy to start with and take care of themselves, then it shouldn't affect them anyway.

I think a lot of people who claim to be into cursing are full of **** though. It's more about the power they feel to have over someone by scaring them. Wankers.

[MysteryX]

I had a friend who killed someone with a curse, and who died from a curse.

I'm now in Peru. In several south-american countries such as Peru and Brazil, curses are something to be careful about because there are lots of shamans and they're not all good.

[BillyTheAdult]

Originally Posted by MysteryX

I had a friend who killed someone with a curse, and who died from a curse.

There is absolutely no way you can determine that or prove it.

[MysteryX]

The first question would be: is it possible to read someone's energy field remotely? This thread proves that it is absolutely possible.
Read the energy of the person above you game!

The second question would be: is it possible to alter someone's energy field positively remotely? This thread proves that it is absolutely possible.
Etienne's Remote Healing!

The third question would be: is it possible to alter someone's energy field negatively remotely? There are no proofs so it's up to you to decide.

[Weena]

Ah! BUT, if I ask for a remote healing I do give permission to that person to work on my aura. If I join the game "read the energy of the person about you", again, I give permission to the person to "read" me. However for curses, I believe it would work only if you allow it or give the person the power to utilise it against you. I'm not saying things don't happen as I once had a weird experience of almost being pulled out of my body as I had sleep paralysis but even then I tried to defend myself mentally and it worked (that was 4 years ago). I cannot phatom how someone's ill will could affect me. I reckon it would affect themselves (you get what you give out), but not me .

[Midnite]

How does somebody define a curse?

If it is the belief that an external party has the ability to send or otherwise manipulate your energy into a negative state, then I would say; yes, it is possible.

People may intentionally or unintentionally send you negative energy. It could be as simple as somebody dropping all their problems on you, or as complex as a powerful practitioner forcefully sending you negative/destructive energy.

If you are a particularly powerful person who knows how to protect yourself and remain positive in the most dire of circumstances, then you won't be affected.

If you however are unable to satisfy the above demands, then I recommend learning how to do so.
There have been a number of times whilst going out with a friend of mine, whose life turned pear shaped when he got addicted to alcohol and gambling, where his negative energy would 'jump' over to me without realising.

I have also heard of magicians trying to kill family members while asleep. This was done by either 'snatching' their ethereal counterparts or directly manipulating their dreams, whilst in a deep sleep and either suffocating or drowning them in terrifying ordeals. For some reason those family members thought they would actually die whilst those 'nightmares' were occurring.
Short of that, it did however force them to lose restful sleep, remain terrified of when they did lie down, and affect them to a point where they were walking around exhausted and mentally drained.

So yes. Depending on your definition, I do believe these things exist.

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

There is absolutely no way you can determine that or prove it.

Well, there are so many things in this world that cannot be proven. Who can prove the existence of God, angels etc.?

So, as to me, I know that curse does exist and that few people are aware enough to be immune to it's affects. But I cannot prove it. Very much the same as someone who can see ghosts cannot prove it to a person who cannot see them.

So, I don't try to convince anyone. When someone says they might have this problem, I offer them help and several people's lives have been healed this way. But there is no point in arguing with anyone who believes it's a BS.

Merrick

[BillyTheAdult]

Originally Posted by Merrick1

Well, there are so many things in this world that cannot be proven. Who can prove the existence of God, angels etc.?

So, as to me, I know that curse does exist and that few people are aware enough to be immune to it's affects. But I cannot prove it. Very much the same as someone who can see ghosts cannot prove it to a person who cannot see them.

So, I don't try to convince anyone. When someone says they might have this problem, I offer them help and several people's lives have been healed this way. But there is no point in arguing with anyone who believes it's a BS.

Merrick

Can you prove those things that are in the world that cannot be proven are really in the world . For the record I do not believe in angels and the like either, or really most anything "new age". I'm kind of questioning my belief in god right now too, and if it even really matters. I agree that there is no point in arguing with someone whose beliefs are already made, which is why I didn't take it farther. But as the discussion I had with Bullard the other day, I do think that when you make a claim that something amazing and incredible is real there is a responsibility to some extent to give concrete evidence other than "I know it."

[spacecadetglow]

Originally Posted by MysteryX

I had a friend who killed someone with a curse, and who died from a curse.

I'm now in Peru. In several south-american countries such as Peru and Brazil, curses are something to be careful about because there are lots of shamans and they're not all good.

What exactly happened?

[Midwinter Mist]

More 'yes' than 'no'.

[marinik]

Nope.

[Summerbreeze]

Billy, I respect curiosity, are you really interested in a dialog?

What are the things you don't see as 'real' ? (to have a picture of it, just in case)

~sb

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by MysteryX

I had a friend who killed someone with a curse, and who died from a curse.

I'm now in Peru. In several south-american countries such as Peru and Brazil, curses are something to be careful about because there are lots of shamans and they're not all good.

I also had a friend who told me that he had not one but two chilean shamans attempt to remove a curse from him...and he wouldn't talk about what happened. He is a very rational person who doesn't even believe in magic or curses...yet, he was convinced enough to employ two chilean shamans.

In the time I've known him, he has had more health problems and 'accidents' than anyone I have known, but from my observation, he also has extremely low self-worth and does not take care of himself...nor is he very big on taking personal responsability for things that happen in his life...he prefers to blame others, even though some of the time it is due to other peoples behavior. I think there is something to that.

Not saying it's the same with your friend, just referencing the south american thing with the shamans.

[BillyTheAdult]

Originally Posted by Summerbreeze

Billy, I respect curiosity, are you really interested in a dialog?

What are the things you don't see as 'real' ? (to have a picture of it, just in case)

~sb

I am not really interested in a dialogue, at least not one designed to change anyone's mind. I would be fine discussing it further but my mind won't be changed on the subject. I don't see anything thought of as "new age" as real angels, archangels, spirits, ghosts. LOA may have some validity but only in the sense that energy flows where attention goes kind of deal, neurons that fire together wire together, it's not anything mystical or miraculous about it, there is no talking to guides, that is phenomenon in your own head that then gets labeled as something else . Psychic ability may have some validity but why bother? My goal personally (and I respect it is not everyone's) is for ultimate truth and all these things are diversions that don't lead there. As Hawkins would say "straight and narrow is the path... waste no time."

All that being said though, to each their own. I would discuss it but my mind will not be changed, as long as we were discussing it from a place of curiosity and understanding of the other and not as anything meant to be persuasive, it would be fine. On the other hand my side of the discussion would probably be heavy repetition of the phrase "can you prove that?"

[elucidate]

I agree that psychic ability can often be a source of distraction from ultimate truth, but then, most people aren't looking for ultimate truth anyway, they want ego accolades that come with impressing others and feeling special.

The subject of angels and the like, there is no point in having dialogue between believers and non-believers. One will always be asking "can you prove it?" whilst the other will always say "I can't prove it, I just know it's true"...which is also valid. I know from certain experiences I've had that it is impossible to try and prove to anyone else, and I don't need to anyway, it's a personal experience that needs no proving.

[Summerbreeze]

I see the straight analytical, rational approach, which is something I prefer in a dialog of a subject.

My intention is not to change your beliefs, it only can done by the person itself, even if someone of us would be right.
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

How about it is sometimes the other way round with proofs?
Science figures things out, which other people already knew.

Astronomy gives reference to profound astronomical knowledge of indigenous tribes, which can't be explained as seeing it with their eyes, instruments, or with a constellation in the sky that changed over years.

No direct evidence, but interesting:
Quantum Physics deals with the fact that things change on a quantum level when they are looked at, what could subjectively concluded as a hint of the the correlation between observer and subject, in other words inner and outer world., which is one of the most important relations to know regarding spiritual perception.

~sb

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I know from certain experiences I've had that it is impossible to try and prove to anyone else[...]

Seems to be a building theme for me lately, something I keep reading/thinking about.

[MysteryX]

In terms of proving energies, instead of discussing about it endlessly, I can make a mass of energy within 30 seconds that anybody can feel... only exception being people who really don't want to feel it.

In terms of angels/demons, I usually see them as distractions. I'd rather be directly connected to the source without interference. These are just other souls just like you except that they aren't in a physical body. They create noise, distraction and interference.

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by BillyTheAdult

I do think that when you make a claim that something amazing and incredible is real there is a responsibility to some extent to give concrete evidence other than "I know it."

And when one makes a claim that those things are not real, isn't there a responsibility to some extent to give concrete evidence other than "I know it",
as well ?

I am not able to give a scientific evidence that those things are real, similarly as science is not able to prove otherwise.

But if you bring a person to me who believes that they have been cursed or a seer told them that, I am very likely, by God's mercy, to help them. I know that if they recover, as a result, from whatever trouble the curse was causing them, it is not a scientific proof. But it may be taken as a sort of evidence, especially if repeated on several people. In any case, anything can be played down.

But I have enough experience in this field to make my claims with full responsibility.

Merrick

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by MysteryX

In terms of angels/demons, I usually see them as distractions. I'd rather be directly connected to the source without interference. These are just other souls just like you except that they aren't in a physical body. They create noise, distraction and interference.

Angels are Beings of Light who help us to overcome life's challenges, who help us to learn whatever it is we need to learn in this lifetime. They are no interference. Right on the contrary. They are helping us whether we are aware of it or not. It is their purpose.

It is perfectly OK to focus directly on the source. But if we ask angels and other Beings of Light, we may receive much more help and support from them than we would have received otherwise. Without us asking them, their possibilities to guide us are limited.

And even if we choose to say: "No, thanks", it is still nice to acknowledge their presence and to thank them for all their support. Because they are the messengers of God and carry out His will.

Merrick

[Angela]

I believe that when someone believes they are cursed, they are, in fact, cursed. Really, actually, cursed. They're just a little confused about who it is that's doing the cursing.

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by Angela

I believe that when someone believes they are cursed, they are, in fact, cursed. Really, actually, cursed. They're just a little confused about who it is that's doing the cursing.

Yes, from the point of view of Oneness, there is no one else. And therefore no one to curse us. But to me, unless we live in that Oneness, it's but a theory.

I can then say, much the same, that so and so killed a person. And you may say that, true, the person is dead but that I am just a little confused about who did the killing. And you will certainly be right.

But while I still see others as separate from myself, I don't think this wisdom is going to be of any help to me.

Merrick

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Merrick1

Yes, from the point of view of Oneness, there is no one else. And therefore no one to curse us. But to me, unless we live in that Oneness, it's but a theory.

I can then say, much the same, that so and so killed a person. And you may say that, true, the person is dead but that I am just a little confused about who did the killing. And you will certainly be right.

But while I still see others as separate from myself, I don't think this wisdom is going to be of any help to me.

Merrick

I was speaking more from a psychological point of view than a metaphysical one.

It's not a matter of Oneness -- a person who believes they have been cursed is actually cursing himself, by using the perspective that he is at the effect of someone else's cause in the matter of his state.

If a person were to kill him in physical reality, then, yes, that person killed him; it wasn't a suicide. But if his health or emotional state is affected, it's not the witch doctor's (or doctor's, or teacher's, or parent's) words or vibes that cause the lack of well-being; it's the "victim's" thoughts about those words or vibes. And there are people who are highly skilled at deliberately exploiting that, as well as well-meaning people who "curse" others without consciously intending to.

A person is susceptible to curses to the extent that they live at-effect, and is immune to curses to the extent that they use a perspective of being at cause in their lives.

[MysteryX]

Originally Posted by Merrick1

Angels are Beings of Light who help us to overcome life's challenges, who help us to learn whatever it is we need to learn in this lifetime. They are no interference. Right on the contrary. They are helping us whether we are aware of it or not. It is their purpose.

Yes spirits can bring advantages and help.

However, if you listen to a spirit, make sure to test it's purity and intentions.

I heard stories of people who listened to spirits and dig holes under their houses and did all kind of stuff to try to find hidden books or treasures... without finding anything Some spirits can make you run around like a fool. I know several people to who this happened.

Make sure to test it's purity

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by Angela

I was speaking more from a psychological point of view than a metaphysical one.

It's not a matter of Oneness -- a person who believes they have been cursed is actually cursing himself, by using the perspective that he is at the effect of someone else's cause in the matter of his state.

If a person were to kill him in physical reality, then, yes, that person killed him; it wasn't a suicide. But if his health or emotional state is affected, it's not the witch doctor's (or doctor's, or teacher's, or parent's) words or vibes that cause the lack of well-being; it's the "victim's" thoughts about those words or vibes. And there are people who are highly skilled at deliberately exploiting that, as well as well-meaning people who "curse" others without consciously intending to.

A person is susceptible to curses to the extent that they live at-effect, and is immune to curses to the extent that they use a perspective of being at cause in their lives.

I understand now. So, of course, our views can never meet.

I agree that some people do exploit others who believe that they are being controlled by something or someone outside of them. Well, but that's life. Taking an advantage of others is happening in almost any area of life, not only in the metaphysical realm.

Merrick

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by MysteryX

Some spirits can make you run around like a fool. I know several people to who this happened.

Oh yes, I have seen a lot of that.

Merrick

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by MysteryX

Yes spirits can bring advantages and help.

However, if you listen to a spirit, make sure to test it's purity and intentions.

I heard stories of people who listened to spirits and dig holes under their houses and did all kind of stuff to try to find hidden books or treasures... without finding anything Some spirits can make you run around like a fool. I know several people to who this happened.

Make sure to test it's purity

I think some are definitely mischievous and like to play with people for their amusement...but there are people who do this too, so...