Spirits.. Are they for real?

[JMononoetoe]

Hey guys. I think I've made a thread about this topic before, but I'd like to talk about it again.

In the past I had a girlfriend who could see spirits, or so she said. Not only that, but she said she was troubled by a bad ghost, or demon, something like that. I really didn't know what to do with that. I couldn't help her at all, since I can't see them. And when she started talking about spells and other techniques to keep spirits away, I wasn't sure whether she was absolutely out of her mind or if she was for real. She seemed very serious about it.

I wanted to see them so badly, because I wanted to be proven wrong. She said it would be better for me not to see them because I might become a target, but I just wanted to see what she was seeing. Alas, I read up on the subject but I never got to see a single spirit.

Fastforward a couple of years. I've gotten to know a girl who also claims to be able to see ghosts, and keeps the bad spirits out with spells and rituals. When I heard that I was reminded of my ex. They have a strange resemblance, too. It kind of troubled me, because again... I can't see any of it, and I can't believe something unless I've seen, felt or whatever'd it myself.

I just don't know what to do. Since I can't see spirits, I will often think of people who do and partake in rituals and the like are out of their minds. However, there are a lot of people who are very serious about the subject, and some people, like my ex, are actually experiencing physical harm from spirits. Apparently there *is* something. That, or they're having some severe kind of mental problem.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all bashing the people who see spirits and the like! It's just that I'm having a very hard time with such people, because I can't see spirits myself. If I could go through some kind of process after which I could see ghosts, I would've done that. Preferably without me losing my rational mind of which I am very fond and even proud sometimes!

So the question is... Can you guys enlighten me a bit more about the subject? What is this thing with spirits, and can I somehow see them? Are rituals for real (and not some 70s hippie thing)?

[nietsdoen]

I'm not sure if the spells and rituals actually are helping. It doesn't seem like pure protection to me. Everyone has their own sorts of beliefs on this kind of thing, but I've seen entities/energies before and I started protecting myself and my environment with God, Life Source, asking for my spirit guide's (angels) protection, etc. Not ritualistic or spell-like at all. Reading your post it doesn't seem like the spells and rituals these women are using are even helping, because they're still plagued by these spirits.

Anyway, after I started asking for this pure protection, I stopped seeing entities and negative energies(in my dreams too). Why? Because I've been paranoid of this sort of crap ever since I was 8 and it's not good for me to be seeing these sorts of things.

Why do you want to see them? Most (not all) are not good, and unless you're really experienced or in very pure protection, you're susceptible to the bad. Is it because you want to communicate with them? Again, this could very well make you susceptible.

Don't worry about believing in them.. if you don't ever see them, it wasn't meant to be.

[JMononoetoe]

Very interesting, nietsdoen. Hey, are you Dutch, by the way? *just noticed your username*

Indeed, I've been told before that it's better for me not to see the spirits because most of them are bad. Indeed, I think communicating with the spirits would be quite interesting (preferably with the good ones). I basically just want to see them because I feel the need to know that they're real. Also, then I won't have to think badly of my friends, which is something I really dislike. I mean, these girls are important to me, and they can't possibly be uhm.. You know. A little bit messed up, right? I don't like to think of them as such!

But it would also confirm the existance of spirits for myself. Every time I discus this subject with anyone, I feel like I'm pretending to know about spirits. I just read about them in books, but I never saw them, so who am I kidding? I never had a bad ghost nagging me, so what do I know? I never saw a benevolent spirit before, so I can't really say anything about that either, now can I? So that's basically also why I'd really like to know if they're real or not

[nietsdoen]

My mother and stepdad are Dutch

Well, I can understand your reasons for wanting to see them, but I don't know exactly what to tell you. I'm sure there are resources on the internet for gaining the ability to see them (maybe strengthen your third eye chakra?). I don't even know how or why I started to see them 2 years ago -- I just know that I didn't like it and wanted to stop it.

erinpavlina.com blog may have a lot of good resources for asking for protection. At least look into that before you do go trying to see them.

Also, it's in my experience that I can believe something that I haven't experienced for myself if I know people who have and I trust them enough and their experience seems more real than bogus. I can assure you that your female friends/girlfriends aren't crazy, unless their beliefs/experiences start to intrude on other areas of their life and cause problems.

[Midnite]

Hi,


I see them all the time.

It's on a more rare occasion that I can see something completely within full detail however.

Psychic abilities are within us all, it's just a matter of refining them to a point where you can effectively use them. I do however also believe the gift of "sight" is something of a bloodline ability. In my case, my Great Grandmother, and my mother both have the gift - which incidentally passed down to me, and I'm not female... (still wondering what happened there).

It is possible for you to learn how to sharpen your abilities to a point where you can feel and hear them. In some cases you may actually possess enough 'talent' to start seeing them too.

This isn't a short road. It's most definitely a life-long learning curve, as once you attain these kind of awakenings, the other side will start to notice you. It's like standing in a pitch black room, where suddenly somebody turns on a flash light. You will inevitably walk towards the light...

It started for me when I was 3 years old. I remember the first time when I saw this old woman, completely white and also completely dead, walking towards by bed. Let me tell you one thing right now... there's no "off-switch".

Spirits aren't all or even mostly "bad". I mean, what the hell is a "bad" spirit. They can't directly harm you, unless you are yourself very negative, very depressed or will them to do so.

When I was about 14 I was once walking up a flight of stairs in my house. It was dark outside, but my lights were on. I started to feel quite cold, and suddenly looked at the top of the staircase, to find a fully-fledged demon-like spirit dressed in all black with a very heavy long dark jacket that seemed to ignore the effects of gravity (the sides were floating about and also drooping all over my staircase at the same time). When it noticed that I could see it, it suddenly morphed into a black bat, and flew like hell into one of the lights on the wall. The images of the shadows scuttering about as the bat disappeared into the light bulb, have never left me.

If you ask my opinion, I don't think your ready for it. I think you only want to see spirits to prove to your girlfriends they aren't crazy.
I do however, quite admire the fact that you are willing to undergo such a full-on transformation just to make them feel a little better

[maldand]

ive had... or might even still have a spirit here with me in my room, i used to see it at night, but i dont see it any more. it was the frist and last ive ever seen, so i dont have to much experience here :P srrys

but i remmber it it was like 6 feet tall, and like, just black... just a human shape, and black, like a shadow.... idk if i imagined it, but once it looked at me and its eyes where red O.o tht was the frist time i saw it lol

[maldand]

and midnite, any thing u got to sharpen our abilities? i cant remmber any one the ways i used to do, i stopped coz i got side tracked with other stuff lol :P

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by maldand

ive had... or might even still have a spirit here with me in my room, i used to see it at night, but i dont see it any more. it was the frist and last ive ever seen, so i dont have to much experience here :P srrys

but i remmber it it was like 6 feet tall, and like, just black... just a human shape, and black, like a shadow.... idk if i imagined it, but once it looked at me and its eyes where red O.o tht was the frist time i saw it lol

I'm not sure of the whole "red eyes" thing. But in reality most spirits look like black shadows, or passing glimpses of white lights. Just because they are black, does not mean they are in any way "bad" or "evil". Many of these spirits can be your guides or even protectors who are just curious about what your doing.

There were many times when I was playing and avid game of Monopoly with some friends on the carpet, to find a tall, dark clad figure leaning over us to see what all the fuss was about.

You just need to learn to accept that they are around you.

[maldand]

lol, as i said, i think i imagined the eyes xD lol

but way back when i was in like 1st to like 4th grade, i used to see black shadows all the time, and i was like "ok their here... watever" :P then this one was here in my room witch was like a year or too ago, and im in my junoir year now, it was a total shock to see that, idk if he still chills here or not... i dont see him any more lol

[maldand]

and i really dont care if they are around me or not, they dont bother me, i dont bother them, now if they where to talk to me, and i where to hear them, tht would be amazing, in my mind

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by maldand

and midnite, any thing u got to sharpen our abilities? i cant remmber any one the ways i used to do, i stopped coz i got side tracked with other stuff lol :P

lol you asked; so I provide!

The first thing you need to decide is "Do I really want to do this?" You need to be very comfortable with what you are about to do. You also need to learn to commit yourself to quite a bit of intensive meditation and training. You are also going to have to do a bit of reading, as these sources will be able to guide you and enlighten you on aspects far more detailed for me to explain here.

Step 1) Meditation
There is an abundant wealth not only on this forum, but also within Erin Pavlina's forum as well. I also recommend "A Chakra & Kundalini Workbook: Psycho-Spiritual Techniques for Health, Rejuvenation, Psychic Powers & Spiritual Realization" By John Mumford.

Step 2) Psychic Protection
I will offer to you some of the most powerful psychic protection exercises I know. Out of everything you decide to do, this is probably the most important. Perform any 1 of the 2 examples below;
(1) Close you eyes and bring to your mind a state of incredible calm. I would then like you to imagine a large white pulsating orb hovering around behind your head. Give it shape, give it definition. Imagine it so white and so powerful that your entire room and your entire surroundings become engulfed in white. Think of this as your protection. Let it vibrate through your body. Feel it with you and intuitively know it's always there.
(2) Close your eyes and picture yourself being covered in a suit of armor made of condensed white material. Think of this material as being something impenetrable, something infinite, indestructible. You need to visualise yourself adorning every piece of the suit, starting with greaves on your feet, working your way up your body, and finishing with a helmet on your head. The end product should be a complete suit of amazing beauty. The more detail you visualise, the stronger this will be.

Step 3) Pranayama
Learn how to breathe properly.
Read "Science of Breath" by Yogi Ramacharaka. Here is a link to a free online version: Science of Breath Index

Step 4) Feeling spirits
Your meditation exercises should now follow on to start feeling the very spirits around you. You need to meditate upon their presence and truly want to open this door. Start listening to your intuition and any messages or visions that come across.

Step 5) Technique to open your optical nerves to the next dimension.
By now you should be halfway to becoming a fully fledged Yogi (j/k ).
I was recently reading a book written about the Ascended Master St Germain. He suggests there is in fact an enlightened method to actually see spirits. You need to close your eyes and imagine an infinite amount of Divine Love within yourself. This needs to be so powerful that you no longer feel the normal constraints of time and space, but however able to manifest anything in your universe. I would then like you to concentrate on your eyes. Focus on your optical nerves, by vibrating energy and increasing their dimensional ability, past their normal physical constraints (infa-red - ultra-violet).

With enough time, practice and patience, you will get there.
And now think about how some people are just born with it, and never had to do any of that.. lol

[maldand]

tsk, lucky them D:<

and on the patience part, thts y i quit all this lmao, i anit got no patience, xD it sucksssssss

[momo3bur]

They are most definitely real.

If you can handle seeing what is always around whether you know it or not, then go for it. If you think you'd be better off without seeing the occasional shadow scurry across your bedroom, you'd be better off believing they aren't real. lol. I've seen things my whole life, and finally as an adult I've had experiences that were undeniable and decided to stop being so afraid...much easier said than done until you realize you're the one with the power. Although, it seems when you get an intelligent one who knows you see him/her, you may have trouble sleeping, etc., until you do whatever they need you to do.

I spent about a month sleeping very little due to wall bangs, rustling papers, whispers, humming, hair pulling, and children being constantly awakened when I ignored these other cues of "get off your butt and listen to me." lol. It actually went from being sort of frightening to being down right annoying.

I've been touched which feels like a static, prickling feeling and will cause some coldness at times, warmth at times, and sometimes numbness while other times heightened sensitivity...it's really hard to explain and seems to be different most of the time but at the same very distinguishable as physical contact from a spirit. You'd just have to feel it to understand, I guess. It's almost impossible to explain in words. As far as physical harm, I was feeling particularly odd one night, knowing I had someone around me, and suddenly I was smacked in the right ear. It was weird because I felt like it hit the outside and inside of my head. Then I said no hurting me if you want to talk (not those exact words, but that was the basic message) and immediately got an even harder smack on the other ear which was also felt in my jaw and on my neck. This left a very strange feeling on that side of my head for nearly a week, which I noticed mostly when I would meditate.

That's the only time I've felt any kind of physical pain that I know was contributed to a spirit.

Listen, I spent many weeks thinking that I must be plum crazy. At times, I still wonder if I belong in a mental institute, but I'm pretty much over that now. I don't just believe anything, but I've finally learned that this is very real and I might as well give into it and make the best instead of ignoring it all. Plus, I've noticed negative thinking (i.e., I'm crazy) set me up for some more negative experiences. I finally blesssed my home and my family...now I don't seem to have any major problems. Even my children have quit reporting strange activity. I never exposed them to any of this and never spoke to them about spirits, ghosts, etc.

They are realllllll........ooooooooooooeeeeeeeeooooooooooo. ..but you have nothing to be afraid of if you don't want to be afraid.

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by maldand

tsk, lucky them D:<
and on the patience part, thts y i quit all this lmao, i anit got no patience, xD it sucksssssss

you'll eventually get over it...

lol

[Midnite]

Originally Posted by momo3bur

I've been touched which feels like a static, prickling feeling and will cause some coldness at times, warmth at times, and sometimes numbness while other times heightened sensitivity...it's really hard to explain and seems to be different most of the time but at the same very distinguishable as physical contact from a spirit. You'd just have to feel it to understand, I guess. It's almost impossible to explain in words. As far as physical harm, I was feeling particularly odd one night, knowing I had someone around me, and suddenly I was smacked in the right ear. It was weird because I felt like it hit the outside and inside of my head. Then I said no hurting me if you want to talk (not those exact words, but that was the basic message) and immediately got an even harder smack on the other ear which was also felt in my jaw and on my neck. This left a very strange feeling on that side of my head for nearly a week, which I noticed mostly when I would meditate.

That's the only time I've felt any kind of physical pain that I know was contributed to a spirit.

I didn't really want to get into it here, for fear that everyone might freak out. But since you opened the door, I might as well continue.

Yes it is very much possible for an ethereal entity such as a spirit to actually reach across the "divide" and touch you. Many people experience a prickling sensation or notice an icy atmosphere around them. On the rare occasion, some particularly powerful spirits may inflict harm against you. Most people truly doubt these words, as this is quite considerably rare.
Let me re-state; You can not and will not, be harmed in any way, unless you yourself are either in a very negative state of mindframe, or will these spirits to approach you.

One of my cousins once ran away from home. After a week, her parents were in a state of hysteria, and sought the help of a powerful "friend". The very next day, my cousin came back home with tears in her eyes. She related a story, how one night (we later found out; at her boyfriend's house...) she was alone in a room. She felt the frosting of the air around her, the very windows started condensing with mist and she was terrified. Her nightmare became reality when something suddenly slapped her across the face so hard and so fast that she was knocked out. She woke up the next morning on the bedroom floor.

On another thread I have also related a story of a powerful clairvoyant who was thrown against a wall and nearly choked to death. I can assure you that it wasn't exactly in her 'mind'. These things a very real and do not like people playing around with them.

Normal everyday spirits do not have the power to cross the divide that easily. In any case, practise the abovementioned 'psychic protection' exercises and you'll be fine

Sleep well...

[HiImJeremy]

G'day J!

I firmly believe that spirits do indeed exist and you do have the ability to percieve them. I see spirits inside my head when i look for them if i need to, for readings for example.

To see them physically, outside of your head in front of your eyes will take either -

- Much practice
- Having a clairvoyant gift
- Having a spider bite you ( lol ) or other such accidents like maybe having a near death experience, an accident which causes injury of some sort, etc.

And though generally spirits aren't there to harm you, they're just going about there business, there is the more negative side to it. no need to dwell on that though. It's good to know some protection too.

[Summerbreeze]

It depends, there are of course real ones, like when your grandmother dies she can partially manifest in some kind of "lightform" with the help of another being.

But there are also things your subconscious manifests as fears.

Also not everything has to be as it look likes, it's very easy to change shapes.

The most important thing to grasp is that you create beside the collective a big part of your reality, with holding up a mirror with your own beliefs and conflicts and therefore filtering it out, without knowing.
Enlightened person or people who have a very high awareness and mostly are conflict-free, do see spirits regularly in the 3rd dimension.
That's also why many children see this kind of things, because they are not so conditioned yet.
If people would change their paradigms, they would experience really odd things, I could personally convince myself of many things I was earlier thinking it's not possible or just rumors.
Unfortunately people with very free views often seem odd to other people

~sb

[momo3bur]

Originally Posted by Midnite

Let me re-state; You can not and will not, be harmed in any way, unless you yourself are either in a very negative state of mindframe, or will these spirits to approach you.

Yes! The negative state of mind, especially fear, is something that you must avoid if you really WANT to learn to see and something that I learned not to do, especially after those smacks in the jaw. But remember, JMononoetoe, that there are people that can see who would trade that gift in for another if they had they option. lol.

MIDNIGHT: I loved your, "sleep well..." at the end of your message. LOL!!!!!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...........

[maldand]

never really feared spirits O.o
if i see them, i see them, they dont bug me lol, i cant see them as like i see a normal person, i just see them as shadows

but ive never been touched by one... i dont think so at lest.... i get cold chills alot... but im sure thts just me getting the chills lol