I have questions (Astral Projection)

[Midwinter Mist]

I have never astral projected before and have some questions.

If we are coming out of our physical into our spirit, does that mean we are capable of haunting people? It's not something I'd wish to do, but it'd be a good thing to keep in mind if I'm going to be floating around my family.

Although, it would make for good proof, wouldn't it? Performing a certain action that your family notices, wake back up in your physical, then talk to them about what just happened.


Can you hover over your body and, for example, shoot rays of healing light into it, only to actually receive noticeable results? If a body is surrounded by negative energy, then you can remove it, right?


If spirits are hauting your home, would it then be possible to astral project onto their level and remove them yourself?


If you hover over another person sleeping, could you draw out their spirit, helping them to astral project?

[Alstar]

Originally Posted by Midwinter Mist

I have never astral projected before and have some questions.

If we are coming out of our physical into our spirit, does that mean we are capable of haunting people? It's not something I'd wish to do, but it'd be a good thing to keep in mind if I'm going to be floating around my family.
"Haunting" is subjective. This aspect is very unlikely, though possible.


Although, it would make for good proof, wouldn't it? Performing a certain action that your family notices, wake back up in your physical, then talk to them about what just happened.
You can't usually affect the physical from the astral, it would be much easier to use the astral to view something which you couldn't have otherwise seen in the physical.

Can you hover over your body and, for example, shoot rays of healing light into it, only to actually receive noticeable results? If a body is surrounded by negative energy, then you can remove it, right?
No idea, but I've heard of people being able to heal themselves from the astral.

If spirits are hauting your home, would it then be possible to astral project onto their level and remove them yourself?
Again it depends on what you mean by "haunting". Most spirits who pass through your living space are harmless and you don't even notice them. They're just passing through and dwelling there for a time. Their energy might affect you and the living space however, which is particularly troublesome if they are "dramatic" spirits with issues. For your question though, yes it is possible to do that, but I'd advise just talking to them and asking them to leave if you don't want them around.

If you hover over another person sleeping, could you draw out their spirit, helping them to astral project?
Eh, possible but tricky. You'd have to be pretty skilled, and the other person should have some proficiency too.

[Joebenz]

Originally Posted by Alstar

You can't usually affect the physical from the astral, it would be much easier to use the astral to view something which you couldn't have otherwise seen in the physical.

So you could for exemple visit area 51 and see what they are doing there?

[Midwinter Mist]

Originally Posted by Joebenz

So you could for exemple visit area 51 and see what they are doing there?

That's actually a damn good question...

If we can travel anywhere through the world as we know it via astral projection, then surely we could visit Area 51... If not, then why not...

[Summerbreeze]

It takes much practice to travel in the Real Time Zone to specific locations.

But theoretically you can visit the whole universe in many of its dimensions.

Other universes have different set of rules, never heard of someone visited it from here.

~sb

[AngelPsychic444]

Originally Posted by Joebenz

So you could for exemple visit area 51 and see what they are doing there?

I have read reports where remote viewers, while viewing secret underground bases have been deteted and they set off alarms. I do not know how they can detect a remote viewer or even someone having an OBE...but it's probably something very hi-tech. OBE's are sometimes used by remote viewers.... but not always.

[Summerbreeze]

Originally Posted by AngelPsychic444

I have read reports where remote viewers, while viewing secret underground bases have been deteted and they set off alarms. I do not know how they can detect a remote viewer or even someone having an OBE...but it's probably something very hi-tech. OBE's are sometimes used by remote viewers.... but not always.

Yes but what will they do if you have a fake beard, wearing horn-rims an having an OBE from the Bahamas?

~sb

[AngelPsychic444]

Originally Posted by Summerbreeze

Yes but what will they do if you have a fake beard, wearing horn-rims an having an OBE from the Bahamas?

~sb

The question is, what you do when the military comes knocking at your door, asking you sign papers, that if you talk about what you saw, which of course was classified,...lol....you'll go to jail if you tell anybody about it.

I'm not saying OBEers shouldn't check things out... but underground military bases are a risky business, but who knows.... you might have a good time and meet some friendly ETs!

[Alstar]

Originally Posted by Joebenz

So you could for exemple visit area 51 and see what they are doing there?

In theory yes, you can travel anywhere. What you propose requires a skill, control, and a familiarity with the location you intend to visit so you could initiate a successful teleport. The other option is to fly there, if you're REALLY good at navigation.

Originally Posted by AngelPsychic444

I have read reports where remote viewers, while viewing secret underground bases have been deteted and they set off alarms.

I really doubt that possibility as it sounds absurd that humans have even the slightest degree of proficiency in inter-dimensional technology.

[bluestar]

Originally Posted by Midwinter Mist

If you hover over another person sleeping, could you draw out their spirit, helping them to astral project?

This one has happened to me. Someone very close to me used to visit me out of body, and sometimes I found myself getting "stuck" slightly on my way out. But when I put out my (Astral) hand, and he took hold of it I found I was drawn out very very easily without any problems.

Once I was out of body in the night when everyone was sleeping, and I was outside my friend's door. I was going to go right in....then I decided not to. I thought "If I was IN my body, I wouldn't just walk in without knocking or being invited, and I can't do that in my position right now" So I didn't just go straight in the room, I backed off and had fun with the stairs instead! (ever tried walking downstairs while out of body?....answer....give up that one and admit you are in another world! haha!)

I knew someone who could affect candles from the Astral. She could make the candle flame dim right down umpteen times. Any number you said she would hear and the candle flame would dim that number of times

[Midwinter Mist]

Originally Posted by bluestar

This one has happened to me. Someone very close to me used to visit me out of body, and sometimes I found myself getting "stuck" slightly on my way out. But when I put out my (Astral) hand, and he took hold of it I found I was drawn out very very easily without any problems.

Once I was out of body in the night when everyone was sleeping, and I was outside my friend's door. I was going to go right in....then I decided not to. I thought "If I was IN my body, I wouldn't just walk in without knocking or being invited, and I can't do that in my position right now" So I didn't just go straight in the room, I backed off and had fun with the stairs instead! (ever tried walking downstairs while out of body?....answer....give up that one and admit you are in another world! haha!)

I knew someone who could affect candles from the Astral. She could make the candle flame dim right down umpteen times. Any number you said she would hear and the candle flame would dim that number of times

Awesome stuff.

I think it's nice of you to refuse your own entry into your friend's room. I was actually just thinking that it's a little disturbing that anybody could astral project and then, with experience, potentially invade the privacy of others.

I must make sure never to visit anybody's bathroom.

[bluestar]

Yeah, just a bit of ordinary etiquette really....
But it would indeed be interesting if you had brilliant control on the Astral, to "make an appointment" with a friend to visit at a certain time, and then afterwards, to describe what exactly they were doing at the time.

I never had that experience, never managed that with a person. (My Astral projections never went to order) But I did have an experience with my dog, (this happened with my other dog and about 15 years ago) where I went downstairs while out of body, and saw my dog in an unusual position (not on his usual bed) He registered my presence, was curious but not spooked, then went back to sleep in the same position.
I went back to my body and got up physically (makes you feel a bit nauseous getting up too soon)...then I went downstairs quickly to check that out, and sure enough, he was in the same place.

[theuprising]

how do u guys project?? I've been at it for a while, I get vibrations, and those only out of lucid dreams (which happen to me quite often). At one point I started hearing voices and stuff during the vibrations, and I hear people say that that's getting "close". It gets frustrating, and kindof scary when you are there for like 2 mins and unable to "lift off", and thus I always fall back into a dream from there or wake up. Sometimes I force myself to "project" from this state but its me just having a lucid dream that I'm projected. How do you guys get past the vibrations??

[Midwinter Mist]

How would you go about calling upon and communicating with a spirit up there and how would you know it's legit?

For example, I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan. If he's up there (and not in another physical body, for instance), could I astral project and reach out to him?

How would you know when somebody is trying to summon you? Would you just feel it and know?

[Pietko]

Originally Posted by theuprising

how do u guys project?? I've been at it for a while, I get vibrations, and those only out of lucid dreams (which happen to me quite often). At one point I started hearing voices and stuff during the vibrations, and I hear people say that that's getting "close". It gets frustrating, and kindof scary when you are there for like 2 mins and unable to "lift off", and thus I always fall back into a dream from there or wake up. Sometimes I force myself to "project" from this state but its me just having a lucid dream that I'm projected. How do you guys get past the vibrations??

I'm projecting with help of Autogenic Training... Quite old technique, not developed for astral projection, but: it helps to relax body and also it helps to concentrate... when body is relaxed to the point I'm starting feel second (astral) body and physical body is so relaxed it seems like it will never respond to command(catatonic state???) I start to rock and roll with astral body till I'm free enough to stand and go out. After a few seconds I start to see in astral... The cornerstone is to be in special state of mind ever before I start to try to go out... you have to be in equilibrium, mental and emotional. Like lake without wind. The "will" and "want" is repressed near nonexistent It is transformed to something else ... I can't describe it, it is like feel of wanting to do something but it isn't the "wanting something to do" in normal sense. It feels totally passive even if it is active process... did you try sometime to think without actually thinking??? Did you try to make decision without thinking actively about subject? That is what you need... Active thinking is disturbing, emotional dis-balance is disturbing... in such case you will probably never dissociate from your body... try to read some other my contributions... I tried to explain it on this server... there is nothing to be worry off... only what you bring with you can be disturbing, looking dangerous, but once you see through illusion you will see that fear is totally unfounded. If you have to die while out of body, you will die. It is the same as without doing OBE. No fear!!! Possession of your physical body by other entity??? I never met such entity... and I did quite a few hundreds of OBE... I think that our body is made so it fit exactly to our souls, maybe even our souls can't leave body without its death. Other think- I never saw or felt astral cord...

Some people have physical problems that somebody can look on them from astral... I don't understand how can that be problem. Anybody advanced enough to be able of such feat would not have any intention to harm... it is in my view incompatible with needed state of mind (Even if I'm not so advanced and I could not see physical world so clearly to differentiate it from astral world(it is in my view an mix of real and astral world) I wouldn't think of abusing anything I learnt. In that state of mind I described above is near impossible to do anything bad. I go (or fly) often directly through walls of houses searching for someone to communicate... )

[desertrat]

Originally Posted by AngelPsychic444

The question is, what you do when the military comes knocking at your door, asking you sign papers, that if you talk about what you saw, which of course was classified,...lol....you'll go to jail if you tell anybody about it.

I'm not saying OBEers shouldn't check things out... but underground military bases are a risky business, but who knows.... you might have a good time and meet some friendly ETs!

Just make your self look like some one else ( the president maby ) in the astral state . I am not at my usual location and may not respond to responces. desert rat

[bluestar]

Originally Posted by Midwinter Mist

How would you go about calling upon and communicating with a spirit up there and how would you know it's legit?

For example, I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan. If he's up there (and not in another physical body, for instance), could I astral project and reach out to him?

How would you know when somebody is trying to summon you? Would you just feel it and know?

I didn't communicate with many people there (or spirits) only two really, but had a few other fly-by entities crop up now and again.
One thing I found (how would you know it's legit) that if it really isn't the right person, and could be a thoughtform, or an interloper....that person somehow doesn't appear right. There might be something wrong with their eyes, for instance, or their voice....that would show me they were not the legit person I wanted to see. If not I used to just go-go-go!

How would you know when somebody is trying to summon you ? You would quite distinctly feel their energy-pattern, or they would even manifest to you, the Astral is so fluid.

Someone I knew used a call sign Now in his case that was words and numbers (which obviously meant something to him) but if I called him with just those words not much happened. I had to infuse it with directional feeling concentrated on that person for it to work.

[Pietko]

Originally Posted by AngelPsychic444

The question is, what you do when the military comes knocking at your door, asking you sign papers, that if you talk about what you saw, which of course was classified,...lol....you'll go to jail if you tell anybody about it.

I'm not saying OBEers shouldn't check things out... but underground military bases are a risky business, but who knows.... you might have a good time and meet some friendly ETs!

I think that that fear is absolutely unfounded. Do you really do OBE (AP)? Then feel free and try it . You will see that nothing will happen.

[texas123]

When I was around 4 to five I remember a dream where I was leaving this life . as I looked down I saw my mother and sister and they were very upset so I asked to remain and I heard a voice behind me say it will be alright. At around 7 years old I remember like I was hit real hard and it woke me up then I saw what looked like a big black vase.
And yes I woke up in bed that morning. Later at around that age we were at my grand mothers house I had to sleep in the dinning room. Late that night it was like everything changed in that room it was like lots of vapor like figures were moving around the room and had slightly different colors to them and I was screaming well my mom and grandmother came in the room and I could still see them but they could not. Never the less grandmother told me to sleep with her as soon as I went in her room there wasn’t anything there. As everyone fell asleep I could not (later I will get to the point of this story) and concerning astral projection)) and they started coming in from my mothers room. And then I noticed small little men walking around the room. Enough of that..
Now my dad told me when I meet him when I got in my teens that mom was always involved in things like that .one time he had seen what she was doing and he saw something around her it really bothered him a lot he told me. Then in my early teens I seemed to have dreams and that is when I remember leaving my bodied and seeing my self sleeping from above my bed and it was like a had a partner and he told me we need to hurry we have work to do some of the places we went were cities not like you see in real life and flat lands with many pools of water and I could cross as if I were running very fast and 90 % of the time I would not touch the ground with effortless running. And one time I was returning and before I was to enter back in my partner who I never remember seeing his face told me to wait and I looked at my body sleeping and there was the black vase beside me I was told it could not remain there long and almost like that it was gone and I went in. . What it was waiting for was when I enter something will open for me to go in and it wanted to be the first in. and yes there is evil out there. Ok just Later in life I would see other things and one day I found a book that had just arrived at our house it was told that it was a copy of an Greek book of extremely old pictures and spells ( and I do NOT believe in spells ) because to this day I have seen people try to use them and it usually goes back on them ) but I did fined some faces in that book that the post man brought to our house . Later in life I was in a lot of pain because I had a very very bad tooth ace. I was working on a construction crew and staying in a motel and I had another astral projection and it took care of that pain not a lot to say about that but were did eat at a China restaurant and I met this girl from china and I could not eat because my tooth was hurting she was able to press the right nerve and I was free from pain later we had dinner together and we talked about everything and I told her a lot of what I am writing now, and she cautioned me to be careful because she added that the black vase was a sprit that did not have the right to come though the bag of water as all of us reading this and that they will posses a person .. So I want to make something clear. Be careful
Now getting to the end. There were times in my life when I got married I would wake up and I could not move and I could see things mostly Egyptian things such as the goddess of life and many things related to that one night I woke up and I could not move and I was beside my wife I could barely get a sound out and when I was able to just turn my head to her I was calling her all of a sudden it was like her eyes open and I saw a bright green light the voice behind me stated keep calling that’s not her as soon as she did wake the light vanished . and the last thing I was around 30 years old I am 55 now but it was a night like another night I went to bed early when I woke I could not move I was seeing a lot of things. this time I said Jesus I can not fight I need help and all of a sudden the whole room became so bright I could not see and then a big BANG so load to me I have never heard any thing comparable to it and then it faded out fast and as it did I thought I saw something like a bird living with the light and I have never had anything happen to me ever again such as what I am writing about. And I never told my sister because I did not want to freak her out but when I mother was dieing she was seeing little men waking around on the floor. As for astral projection be careful.

[Pietko]

Originally Posted by texas123

As for astral projection be careful.

Be careful... well, I think, people which are too concerned have to be careful, their dread, bad feelings etc... could materialize in astral world and scare themselves. If you stay as objective observer, full of peace, there is nothing scary you can find there.

You described catatonic state, and that is not scary either, you can move, but you don't have will to move(not enough). You have problem... I like that state. In this state your body is sleeping and your consciousness is awaken. Nothing bad with that.

Your vision- I think you believe in some things, you prayed and you received help of sorts. Our mind is very strong and it can get confused by forgetting and fantasizing some things... I had yesterday quite bad day and I used autogenic training to free myself from heartsickness ... and in deep relaxation my thoughts started to drift away... I lost concentration for a while and I found very confusing visions, then I found out what is happening and I regained full control back. Visions cleared to nothingness only consciousness remained. I reprogrammed my feelings and ended exercise - I was free of heartsickness. If you ever had real OBE (or astral projection) I think you will never feel dread of death. The death simply is. The life simply is. Nothing bad results of this two states. My first OBE I awoke dreaded , I thought I'm dying. Then again I thought about my feelings little more... And I found I that there is nothing bad about being out of body, contrariwise I felt it to be better then physical life. My thoughts were clearer, I felt much less discomfort and restrictions while out of body... I felt it like I was back where I belong.

[bluestar]

Yes I hope that is what those who were sick and dying painfully will feel when they die and cross over. That their physical bodies are no more, and that they exist more free, and more awake and aware than they ever did.