Intellectual Empath

[momo3bur]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

I never thought about that, as I was rather focused on figuring out how to switch it off, but I think it can.


IMO that is the same. Psychic abilities are inherently available to everybody. They might be easier to develop for some people than for others, but essentially it's just a matter of practice. We are all psychic.

If you feel pretentious calling yourself a psychic, this implies that you think being "psychic" is somehow better than not being, and then you are in separation.

You could try to acknowledge that we are all psychic, and that some have simply re-learned those skills more than others, then saying you're psychic is like saying "I am good at strategic thinking", nothing more, nothing less.

Labels can become limiting, but at first, when you are not fully at peace with who you are yet, they can be very freeing and empowering.

Thank you, Rose! You gave me some things to think about that didn't occur to me at all. I don't like the feeling of superiority in anyway to anyone, but I will say that I've always thought of people with psychic gifts as having some superior traits. Therefore, I suppose this is the reason behind feeling insecure about labeling myself. I still don't like to look at anything that I seem to be going through as psychic, however. I guess when I can solve mysteries and help people, then I might go ahead and get the name badge. But for right now, I'll keep the psychic thing limited to myself and those who seek me out. I feel more comfortable in that aspect, so not to let anyone else down and not have too high of expectations. People seem to put very high expectations on a "real" psychic and this is very scary for me because I don't like being wrong...ever. lol. Not a very easy thing to admit, that's for sure, but very true.

Also, I don't have a lot of control over these things at this point. Thoughts, visions, feelings, etc., come and go as they please. Sometimes I invite them through meditation, but most of the time they kind of just show up. I'm afraid if I'm put in a situation where there is pressure involved to please someone, for example a reading, I will be nervous that I'm incorrect and therefore be incorrect. I've always thought of someone who is actually psychic as a person who can control and use these senses productively. THAT is not me right now. lol.

[Rose of Cairo]

Hi Momo,

I totally get that. If you want to develop psychic abilities, I recommend Anna Conlan's Psychic Awakening course. Psychic but Sane - Down-to-earth Information for Developing Psychic Abilities.

As for empathy, I would send any and all struggling empaths to Rose Rosetree. www. rose - rosetree . com. She wrote two books about empathy and how to learn to deal with it consciously. The first one, Empowered by Empathy, is kinda messy and very right brained if you ask me. I hated it so much that I just couldn't read it. I've heard that her second one, Become the Most Important Person in the Room, is much much better though. It is a 30 days empowerment program for empaths, with a small exercise every day to, if I understood correctly, teach you how to control your abilities. I haven't read it yet, but it was warmly recommended to me by several sources and I'm planning on reading it soon.

As for what you can do right now, what really helped me when I became aware of the empathy thing was to ask myself "Is this mine?" and "Where does this come from?". Often the answer was "no" and I suddenly knew from where or whom it came.

I also started to cleanse my aura and then I realized it was all over the place. I was feeling everything around me because I was everything around me. When I'm fed up and want to switch it off for a while, it helps to shrink my aura and bring it very close to my body and to close my chakras. I don't like that state very much so I don't do that often, but in emergency cases it can be really helpful. If you are not doing any energy work yet, I highly recommend starting.

Shielding techniques can help too, although I do not advocate using them. What also helps is to be firmly grounded (are you grounded enough?) and to let the energies you get from others flow through your system without affecting you and just flow into the Earth. Basically, make yourself transparent. To do that, it helps to be very present in the now and to not have any inner resistance to what you getting into contact with.

And to not have any resistance, it helps to be free from negative stuff inside you. Only what we resonate with at some level can affect us.

Hope this helps. If you have questions, feel free to ask.

[momo3bur]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Hi Momo,

I totally get that. If you want to develop psychic abilities, I recommend Anna Conlan's Psychic Awakening course. Psychic but Sane - Down-to-earth Information for Developing Psychic Abilities.

As for empathy, I would send any and all struggling empaths to Rose Rosetree. www. rose - rosetree . com. She wrote two books about empathy and how to learn to deal with it consciously. The first one, Empowered by Empathy, is kinda messy and very right brained if you ask me. I hated it so much that I just couldn't read it. I've heard that her second one, Become the Most Important Person in the Room, is much much better though. It is a 30 days empowerment program for empaths, with a small exercise every day to, if I understood correctly, teach you how to control your abilities. I haven't read it yet, but it was warmly recommended to me by several sources and I'm planning on reading it soon.

As for what you can do right now, what really helped me when I became aware of the empathy thing was to ask myself "Is this mine?" and "Where does this come from?". Often the answer was "no" and I suddenly knew from where or whom it came.

I also started to cleanse my aura and then I realized it was all over the place. I was feeling everything around me because I was everything around me. When I'm fed up and want to switch it off for a while, it helps to shrink my aura and bring it very close to my body and to close my chakras. I don't like that state very much so I don't do that often, but in emergency cases it can be really helpful. If you are not doing any energy work yet, I highly recommend starting.

Shielding techniques can help too, although I do not advocate using them. What also helps is to be firmly grounded (are you grounded enough?) and to let the energies you get from others flow through your system without affecting you and just flow into the Earth. Basically, make yourself transparent. To do that, it helps to be very present in the now and to not have any inner resistance to what you getting into contact with.

And to not have any resistance, it helps to be free from negative stuff inside you. Only what we resonate with at some level can affect us.

Hope this helps. If you have questions, feel free to ask.

Thank you Rose!! You're a rose... I'm sure you've heard that your whole life! Right now I think I'm ok with trying to figure out where the feelings come from. It has definitely helped in situations with my husband. For example, I've learned to recognize that there are times he walks through the house and I immediately feel irritated or even angry. He runs a crew at work and has a difficult time with some of his workers being...inadequate. lol. Used to, we would end up having an argument with pretty much no basis. It would usually start with me asking what was wrong with him or if he was mad at me about something (because I could just feel the negativity radiating off of him) and he would always say, "nothing!!!!" lol. He couldn't understand why I would read this from him.

I've finally starting asking instead if he had a bad day at work...that was the kicker. Figured it out. So it's helped there because I know he's not angry with me or projecting these emotions because of me...I also know I'm not bipolar or something and just having moodswings for no reason. So far, it's been a blessing in itself just to know and understand so that when I feel things getting out of control, I can sit back and think about it, do some observation and figure out where it's coming from instead of just acting out these crazy emotions. It's helped my temperament substantially.

I will read those links you shared! Thank you so much! And anyone else on here that knows of any information that could be helpful for others with problems recognizing and dealing with this subject, please post!!

Thanks!!
-Ashley

[Rose of Cairo]

Haha, yeah. Before figuring out I was an empath, I too tended to think people had these emotions (negative or positive) about me or because of me. It took me a while to realize that most of the time it had nothing to do with me at all. Sobering insight.

Not taking it personally is the first step toward sanity.

The second step is to not react to it. Let it flow through you into the Earth.

And as always, awareness is key. Just knowing what's going on is already a great relief.

Love.

[Federer]

Originally Posted by momo3bur

Hmmmm...I don't know. I've just recently come to terms with the empath thing. I do know that now I'll be able to recognize signs, like needing to cry while I wait for a funeral procession on the road full of people I don't know. That's been a big thing, being upset for reasons that seem ridiculous. haha. Last time I pulled over for a funeral driving through town, my friend was in the car with me and she didn't know what to do because I became upset. She was like, "do you know them? are you ok?" Of course, I didn't know them. I do that almost everytime! Now I'm glad at least I know why and it's not because I'm some overemotional biddy. However, it's still scattered for me as well.

I think the biggest thing at this time will be to learn to recognize others' feelings and thought processes over my own so that things don't become too overwhelming anymore.

Does that seem like a reasonable plan? lol. I really don't know where else to go with it other than control it. I suppose it does really help on the intellectual side to counsel friends because you tend have a deep understanding of their thoughts. Even if you just help them sort out their thoughts so that they can see them from a different prospective. But other than this, I'm not really sure what to do!! ahh!

I can understand where you are at the moment. But you are sensitive than me. I can control sometimes. Sometimes. You need to control your emotions and other thing i can see that you are female. So it is obvious you will feel more than I.

As Rose mentioned that we need to get control. So we don't throw away our power. It is very interesting subject. I will send you some links tonight. I have found them on net. But i have to recover those links.

For me, when i pick up people's sad moments, i also become upset. I begin to think that why this happen to them? Why they are playing victim? But at the moment, i have stopped this thing. I suggest you that slowly start shielding yourself or disconnect when you're done with the situation. Otherwise it will affect on yourself. You also need good protection.

Does this make sense?

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Haha, yeah. Before figuring out I was an empath, I too tended to think people had these emotions (negative or positive) about me or because of me. It took me a while to realize that most of the time it had nothing to do with me at all. Sobering insight.

Not taking it personally is the first step toward sanity.

The second step is to not react to it. Let it flow through you into the Earth.

And as always, awareness is key. Just knowing what's going on is already a great relief.

Love.

Thank you Rose.

I have question: Do you think females can be super power in comparison to male ones? you can see here. This female friend seems to pick up situation's deep emotions. I don't think if i see funeral procession and i will begin to cry. I will feel sad for those who have lost, after some time i'll let go this.

[Pietko]

Three types of empathy... hmm... I never thought about this, but I think I have all three. I didn' know it is possible to have only part of it...

I think it is very possible to learn to be empathic, everybody has seeds of empathy in himself. It is only on person whether he will open himself and start to feel emotions around. Level of openness determines how much you are taking from your surrounding, and level of detachment (I have to let information into my mind, but I must be emotionaly as leveled as a lake without wind... I must not dwelve on emotions I receive) determines how acurate your perceived information will be.

My starter was unrequited love... I don't know whether she is my soulmate or how we are connected but certainly she could feel something from me too. Bad think was(and even now is when we managed to form weak friendship), it was probably functioning more like repellent. Sometimes I could tell where she is, when I'm in right state of mind... Anyway, empathy developed in short time. At start it was sometimes quite bad, depressive, but after some time I could turn empathy off. Not completely, mind you, but enough not to be overloaded by problems of other people. What more, I could project emotions on other people- effect again is not very satisfactory... it is dependent on the target empathy level... And you can get negative response even if you are radiating pure love...

I don't know whether women are stronger empaths than men, I think it depends more on will to open your mind than gender. It can be burden, but it can also help.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Federer

I suggest you that slowly start shielding yourself or disconnect when you're done with the situation. Otherwise it will affect on yourself. You also need good protection.

I personally don't subscribe to this point of view and don't advocate shielding.

When I assume that I need protection and that I need to shield myself from energies, this implies that they have power over me and can harm me. This weakens me. It's giving my power away.

I prefer to let them just flow through me into the Earth. When I am correctly grounded and "clean" inside, this does not affect me.

I have question: Do you think females can be super power in comparison to male ones? you can see here. This female friend seems to pick up situation's deep emotions. I don't think if i see funeral procession and i will begin to cry. I will feel sad for those who have lost, after some time i'll let go this.

I don't think you can generalize about all men and women based on this one female and yourself.

Based on my experience, men are just as empathic as women. They might reject or ignore their skill more than women, for cultural reasons (the whole thing about men should not be sensitive and emotional, as opposed to it being okay for women to be that way). But that's just social conditioning. I agree with Pietko that it's more a matter of energetic openness than gender.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Pietko

What more, I could project emotions on other people- effect again is not very satisfactory... it is dependent on the target empathy level... And you can get negative response even if you are radiating pure love...

That's where detachment comes in handy.

When you are being attached to a specific outcome and focused on getting something back, it might be frustrating. But if you are detached and just radiate what you have inside, then it is just beautiful and brings joy.

[momo3bur]

Thanks Rose! And thanks Federer and Pietko! I agree that men's empathy is just as intense as women's but is dependent on of course the individual and cultural and social conditioning. My son, for example (of course is not technically a man) is three years old and since the time he was a tiny baby, he would be easily upset by music (first situation I noticed). Lullabies, anything with a sad note to it, and sometimes music that I couldn't really understand why he'd become upset over. Then he started this with television characters and people in general. He will sometimes comfort people when there are no obvious signs of negative emotion. On at least three occasions, people have sad that he seemed to have picked up on something going on with them. One lady said she was sitting thinking of a fight she and her husband just had before the birthday party we were at and she felt like my son must have noticed her looking sad although she was trying very hard to have fun and not worry. He walked over to her, sat in her lap (complete stranger, mind you lol), and hugged her and asked if she was sad. And of course, he cried. We've also been in situations where there is a lot of negativity...for example, at my father's house...where he will become absolutely inconsolible until we leave the area. We cannot visit my father's house at all because my baby just hates it there. I've also always been very uncomfortable there but I'm aware of the horrible marriage and anger...my son reacts this way with no knowledge of the situation with my father, so when this started I really wondered if he was sensing the negativity in the house.

Obviously, I didn't understand what was going on with him (or me) until recently, but he's very perceptive to other people and I intend on leaving him this way! I think he's MUCH more sensitive than I am to most things. I find it wonderful and incredible that he can recognize where these feelings come from to some degree even at such a young age, and I'll try not hamper this ability that he has by making him "man up." I feel like that is why men seem to be less empathetic at times than women. It's not that they don't feel it, it's just they've been taught to ignore it since childhood. Sometimes I even think we teach ourselves to ignore the feelings and this can create some emotional turmoil in ourselves because we just don't understand where the constant changes in mood and behavior come from and the only way to "control" it would seemingly be to live in a shell and go numb or be put on medication.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by momo3bur

Sometimes I even think we teach ourselves to ignore the feelings and this can create some emotional turmoil in ourselves because we just don't understand where the constant changes in mood and behavior come from and the only way to "control" it would seemingly be to live in a shell and go numb or be put on medication.

I totally agree. When we acknowledge that we feel other people's emotions, we can learn to deal with it. When we deny this, it must be us, and then we become seemingly out of control and crazy.

[Federer]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

I personally don't subscribe to this point of view and don't advocate shielding.

When I assume that I need protection and that I need to shield myself from energies, this implies that they have power over me and can harm me. This weakens me. It's giving my power away.

I prefer to let them just flow through me into the Earth. When I am correctly grounded and "clean" inside, this does not affect me.



I don't think you can generalize about all men and women based on this one female and yourself.

Based on my experience, men are just as empathic as women. They might reject or ignore their skill more than women, for cultural reasons (the whole thing about men should not be sensitive and emotional, as opposed to it being okay for women to be that way). But that's just social conditioning. I agree with Pietko that it's more a matter of energetic openness than gender.

(this means all gone in mind)

Originally Posted by momo3bur

Thanks Rose! And thanks Federer and Pietko! I agree that men's empathy is just as intense as women's but is dependent on of course the individual and cultural and social conditioning. My son, for example (of course is not technically a man) is three years old and since the time he was a tiny baby, he would be easily upset by music (first situation I noticed). Lullabies, anything with a sad note to it, and sometimes music that I couldn't really understand why he'd become upset over. Then he started this with television characters and people in general. He will sometimes comfort people when there are no obvious signs of negative emotion. On at least three occasions, people have sad that he seemed to have picked up on something going on with them. One lady said she was sitting thinking of a fight she and her husband just had before the birthday party we were at and she felt like my son must have noticed her looking sad although she was trying very hard to have fun and not worry. He walked over to her, sat in her lap (complete stranger, mind you lol), and hugged her and asked if she was sad. And of course, he cried. We've also been in situations where there is a lot of negativity...for example, at my father's house...where he will become absolutely inconsolible until we leave the area. We cannot visit my father's house at all because my baby just hates it there. I've also always been very uncomfortable there but I'm aware of the horrible marriage and anger...my son reacts this way with no knowledge of the situation with my father, so when this started I really wondered if he was sensing the negativity in the house.

Obviously, I didn't understand what was going on with him (or me) until recently, but he's very perceptive to other people and I intend on leaving him this way! I think he's MUCH more sensitive than I am to most things. I find it wonderful and incredible that he can recognize where these feelings come from to some degree even at such a young age, and I'll try not hamper this ability that he has by making him "man up." I feel like that is why men seem to be less empathetic at times than women. It's not that they don't feel it, it's just they've been taught to ignore it since childhood. Sometimes I even think we teach ourselves to ignore the feelings and this can create some emotional turmoil in ourselves because we just don't understand where the constant changes in mood and behavior come from and the only way to "control" it would seemingly be to live in a shell and go numb or be put on medication.

Even i don't like some places and honestly i avoid to visit those places. One place is about mother's brother. They have incredible negative energy and i find that hard that i can't sleep in their house. Even under room with AC attached. Their house is nice, but their heart and mind i don't like. Whenever i enter in their house, i feel like someone is yelling for help, sadness, guilt and blames of people.

It's more like hell for me. Even i don't like my uncle because he has been hurtful to many people. Hurt my father when i was kid. He used to yell at me, fire me, didn't behave nicely with me and i become upset because he had done this all in front of my parents. I don't care about myself, but i deeply care about their(parents) feelings. Sometimes i think how they(parents) handled such disrespectful behavior? I don't believe in that relationship anymore and now i am not going to interact with their family. I used to pick up so many things when i was kid, but i was not that sensitive. If i see sad things, then i will heart something pinched on my heart and feel sadness for a while.

So Ash. Your son needs you, he must be feeling like pinching on heart. You both are already good mum-son and friends,too.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by momo3bur

Hmmmm...I don't know if it's something that can be taught, but I wouldn't see why not. I mean, I would think every human being is equipped with empathy, it's just a matter of being open enough to pick up on it. I guess...well...I'm just guessing!

That is it exactly. Everyone can do it, it's just some people unconsciously pretend they don't!

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

It's a sense, like smelling or hearing. You can learn to deal with it for your own benefit and enjoyment, or to help others, but without letting it drive you crazy.

Yes! Mine was quite 'loud' when it turned on. I spent a lot of time in nature and avoided grouchy or frightened people. After a while I got the volume down and relaxed around what was going on -- I let it integrate into my life. These days the volume is really low until something of interest pops in. Then I focus my awareness on the feeling.

Originally Posted by momo3bur

I think the biggest thing at this time will be to learn to recognize others' feelings and thought processes over my own so that things don't become too overwhelming anymore.

This becomes helpful being around 'normal' people , but you soon realize everything you experience is you and it doesn't matter anymore where the feelings come from.

[Pietko]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

That's where detachment comes in handy.

When you are being attached to a specific outcome and focused on getting something back, it might be frustrating. But if you are detached and just radiate what you have inside, then it is just beautiful and brings joy.

I agree but it is not functioning in this life. I wanted (and want) her to accept my feelings, and I do not need it to be physical if you understand what I mean... I have my life, I have wife(and I love her dearly), three childreen; she has her life, and even if she is all the time single I can accept it. I can accept if she will find a man a good man who will make her happy, without traces of jealously feelings, I transcended feeling of being ignored as man and possible partner long ago... I want her to be happy... But at the same time I feel very, very strong pull to her and I can't ignore it. Maybe this connection is something what precluded our relationship... She is the girl/woman who destroys my balance (or maybe better explaining is that she induces myself to destroy my balance...) every time I'm with her (we formed weak friendship eventually, but I can't speak about my innermost feelings to her). All my being is singing when I'm near her... Detachment is not possible even after more than 26 year after I found her... Sometimes I feel cursed... You know the feeling? Feeling that you have something to do and you do nothing because you know the outcome will be disaster? It is too late for me, but I will not try to trouble her, ever. When I meet her in astral (or where I'm going when I'm out of body), we can communicate and everything goes to completely different level... Understandness is very healing process.

In this life she is doing yoga as I learnt... I didn't pry the type, or level she reached... I focused on concentration and Autogenic Training because I had big problems with emotions connected with her. She was the starter, she is why I started with exercises... But even after all that time, I'm not successful around her... All my being is trying to reach to her, to be one with her... And only thing I can do is train more...

My wife is knowing about my burden and she has great hearth. She understands me and she is helping me too, even if she is not believing into OBE(AP) as real thing. I understand it because I have sometimes my doubts too

Sorry for this emotional writing... It could show why I'm doing what I do...

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Dharma

but you soon realize everything you experience is you and it doesn't matter anymore where the feelings come from.

That's very true. But I think for someone who is just starting to recognize themselves as an empath and to make peace with it, it can be very empowering to distinguish what comes from themselves and what comes from others. It validates for them that they are NOT crazy or unstable.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Pietko

Sorry for this emotional writing... It could show why I'm doing what I do...

Pietko, my advice is to do a healing session with Rose Rosetree and to cut the cord of attachment you have to that woman. It would tremendously help you.

[Pietko]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Pietko, my advice is to do a healing session with Rose Rosetree and to cut the cord of attachment you have to that woman. It would tremendously help you.

Thank you for your advice

There is one catch. There is no cord of attachment, I feel her in astral as part of me. We must become whole. Barriers between us are harming us, she is maybe not so sensitive as me, but even she looks troubled(my empathic sense). I must reach understanding with her, and to do that, I need greater level of concentration so my visions will become clearer. And I must learn to do OBE at will , so I can go out to astral or higher dimension at time I want and as many time I need to. Suppression of this feel will do more harm than good and it would repeat itself in quite short time... I just know it, I feel it. That way is not easy, but I feel it to be necessary. Otherwise it will never be end.

I had a vision during my exercises, I don't know whether it was fantasy but it felt true. I must believe in my feelings, they are very seldom false. To summarize: I will find peace within us. Together. It must start in higher dimensions... it feels like something described as Buddhic dimension is necessary, I was there one or two times... well maybe only one time... second time felt not right even if it looked very similarly. I need to move star(me) and find her "star"... I don't know now what to do next but I will do as my feel will tell me... Maybe to become one...

Maybe you know how it is on Buddhic level of existence... I do not have so great understanding about laws in there, but what I remember of being there, it is very difficult to do something there, there are other laws than in astral. Other time experience, very, very slow time flow. No thought possible, no normal emotion possible(even by astral world standard) it felt like thinking by emotions and feelings so weak that they were almost nonexistent and those seemed to have strange "structure"... one such 'feel' seemed to span hundreds of years... and to reach decision to fly to her star took very, very long time. I tried to reach her star at that time but I wasn't successful. My concentration and balance slipped... From my experiences it will take time... maybe years... If I'm not successful in this life I will have next to fulfill this quest.

If I find resolution in this life our physical friendship will become stronger even if it will remain as friendship... and connection will cease to be burden and it will become fullness. We will find peace. There are signs that this way is right, I reached understanding with her even if it is weak... (it is much stronger in astral). But as I didn't have reached her star as is needed, I must be really careful.

What do you think? Looks like fantasy isn't it so??? I have so much work to do...
Sorry for my english, I try to write this as clearly as possible, but even in my mother tongue it is difficult to explain.

[Pietko]

Originally Posted by Pietko

If I find resolution in this life our physical friendship will become stronger even if it will remain as friendship... and connection will cease to be burden and it will become fullness. We will find peace. There are signs that this way is right, I reached understanding with her even if it is weak... (it is much stronger in astral). But as I didn't have reached her star as is needed, I must be really careful.

It looks like It is functioning even if I haven't reached budhic dimension yet. She is opening to me, her troubled soul... still I have strange feeling about this.

[MariconesUnited]

I've had some major breakthroughs in my understanding recently! I was on the phone with my agent and he was being aggressive, all because I owed him 30$! Thing is I'm so sensitive to it now that I had to go lie down and rest afterwards. My aunt later told me to put my hand over my solar plexus to protect myself from negative energies, which makes perfect sense when you remember that that is where your emotional connexion is! Think about it, when people feel upset or weak or ill they'll instinctively put their hand over their stomach.

Regarding the empathic abilities of women and men, I totally agree about the social conditioning aspect! Society likes to have clear definitions when really, nature is not neatly defined the way some of us would like it to be. But there is something more. On the cosmic plane, the feminine principle is more connected to the emotion (read some Jung for more on this). Women are generally more connected to their emotional intelligence as well. Technically, since emotional intelligence is deeper than the rational mind, that would mean women are also smarter than men in general!

But I believe men can be just as empathic as women. They just need to embrace their femininity first.

Momo3bur, I think it's fantastic that you're letting your son be in touch with his innate empathy. But teach him detachment as well, there's times when we need to stay grounded and not let our emotions affect our judgement.

Eckhart Tolle has made a children's book, which may help you in accomplishing this: Milton's Secret (Eckhart Tolle's New Children's Book)

Originally Posted by Dharma

That is it exactly. Everyone can do it, it's just some people unconsciously pretend they don't!

Here's an excellent video on that very topic: The Empathic Civilisation Victor Santoro's Blog

And remember that empathy is a very positive thing in general! We may experience other people's grief, but we also feel their joy! For example: Stock Photo: Tilted hispanic man smiling coyly | McComber photo

Pietko, the definition of insanity is to try the same thing over and over again and expect different results. If the astral plane doesn't do it for you, try the real world! Connect to your root Chakra. Tell her how you feel. Be upfront with her. Pursue her. Ask her directly how she feels about you. Don't think just do it!!

[Pietko]

Originally Posted by MariconesUnited

Pietko, the definition of insanity is to try the same thing over and over again and expect different results. If the astral plane doesn't do it for you, try the real world! Connect to your root Chakra. Tell her how you feel. Be upfront with her. Pursue her. Ask her directly how she feels about you. Don't think just do it!!

Thank you for good intended advice.
Astral dimension is not good enough, I must reach higher(in that vision it seemed that buddhic dimension is crucial).
I tried that in real world for long time, and it was disaster after disaster.
I'm sometimes in contact with her now. She knows of my feelings and I know about hers, but there is something between us which creates rift and that rift is unbearable for me. I do not intent to reach anything else than understanding between us, an acceptance. There is too much tension around when we are close to each other. Well I'm insane... insane enough to try many different approaches, as much times as seems to be needed, and then try something different. I had these problems some 25 years, 2/3 of my life, so maybe after another 25 years... maybe... I will find solution... Maybe not. It seems to me that it doesn't matter anymore whether I find solution to this problem or not... Only trying to find it matters. I know it looks totaly insane (It is not long after my last meditation, so everything I feel now is changed to more quiet version of itself) Anyway I feel much better than 10-15 years ago... less depressive... Meditations are helping a lot to be in peace with emotions.

[anusha]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Hello,

An emotional empath feels other people's emotions.

An intellectual empath picks up on and reproduces other people's ways of thinking.

(A physical empath feels other people's physical sensations.)

I wrote a blog post about this if you are interested: Are You an Empath? | Rosine Caplot . com

beautiful beautiful article!!! i'm more of an emotional and an intellectual empath. trying to control my emotions but looking forward to grow into an intellectual empath..

[MariconesUnited]

Pietko, I'm sorry about your story. I truly feel your pain. Sometimes when words of advice won't work all one can do is to be still and listen.

Maybe you should watch the movie When Harry met Sally. Similar story to yours. With a happy ending. Hopefully it can cheer you up

[Pietko]

Originally Posted by MariconesUnited

Pietko, I'm sorry about your story. I truly feel your pain. Sometimes when words of advice won't work all one can do is to be still and listen.

Maybe you should watch the movie When Harry met Sally. Similar story to yours. With a happy ending. Hopefully it can cheer you up

thank you. It is long time since I fell in love with her, and as I said it wasn't, and it will not be returned. At least not in this physical world(it is very different in astral world, and that is confusing). I don't need that. Friendship is enough. I'm building bridges
Every time I do meditation, I see it different(there is peace), only problem is I can't function in that state of mind all the time.
She has probably other mission in this life. S do I... Maybe it is my mission in this life. I only need to find peace. And I feel, no, I know, that it will not be by forgetting on her. It doesn't function that way. It is too deep.

There is other thing in this whole thing... without her I wouldn't do so much in the way of spiritual development... I wouldn't do many things... she was catalyzer... maybe I would do autogenic training(AT), since I found it and started to train before all the problems started... I was good enough in it by the time depressions started, only the way I used it wasn't exactly right, I used it to suppress emotions... I even tried to use it to delete memories... Not very good way... wrong intentions... Suppression is not right way, it resulted to variations of mood... Cyclic... from very bad to good and back. I had learned from my actions by a hard way... Deletion was even worse, It is possible to forget something, but it hasn't be too strong and big. If she is my twin-soul or soul-mate(in astral, I certainly feel her like she is part of me) I don't know whether it is even possible. Right now, I'm helping with AT two other people, and I'm often emphasize, what is not good autosuggestion... They are not in higher level of AT (e.g. meditations), but in my opinion, it is better that they know it from start. Because our mind is both very strong, and very brittle.
I think I saw that film. Nice, but for me unrealistic

There is emotion and yet there is peace.
There is ignorance and yet there is knowledge.
There is passion and yet there is serenity.
There is chaos and yet there is harmony.
There is death and yet there is eternal life.