I know there is a devil

[redzalez]

I may have not seen him but I am haunted by evil. I have posted on here alot and its been mainly since this depression that I have been in. I have tried to learn how to manifest but really am skeptical of it. I want a change in my life big time but for some reason I feel when I think things are looking up there is something that always knocks me back down. I get so bad in the slumps where stupid things I never in my life would of thought of pop in my head. I sit alone in my apt as I type this and I have been crying hard with so much sorrow asking why?? Things in my mind pop up and tell me that I don't want to exist anymore.. I live alone but the thought of my daughter makes me survive..
I don't want to sound crazy because as I type this it sounds crazy to me but honestly I feel it. I feel the evil around me. I am christian and know its not right.. I know I will get through this but feel like expressing myself out into this cyberspace will let some of this out because It has been a major battle for the past 8 mths.

[Alstar]

So... what makes you "know" that there's a devil? You didn't mention how you came by this knowledge.

[C33]

Red,please hang in there!

Depression can feel like there is only evil and darkness around you. The evil you feel might be your dark thoughts manifesting. Also, you might be in a phase of getting in touch with your shadow, in a state of descent. A lot like a winter of the soul.

Maybe you are resisting the necessity of being alone with your own thoughts and that resistance is hurting you because your soul needs to hybernate in order to regenerate.
I think sometimes, when you have been neglecting your soul's need, it brings depression onto you so that you stop what you've been doing . You are forced to isolate yourself and get to a psychological point where everything you thought was true is being questioned.It moves you to go on a quest for your truth and light through darkness.

I would suggest you try hypnotherapy to put yourself in a state of relaxation and open to positive suggestion. You can find quite inexpensive cds.

You could also surround yourself with positive, angelic pictures and representations. If you can afford it, buy angel statues, anything that represent goodness and light to you. It could also be baby pictures of your daughter or any imagery of things pure and sweet, like puppies, flowers, etc...

Since you say you are Christian, I'll mention that many saints and holy figures, including Jesus, have had moments of descent into darkness where their sanity was put to the test and their faith in goodness and light was shaken.

Lastly, I would look into buying some healing music and constantly playing it in your home, as well as doing a clearing of the energies through crystals, incense burning, anything that vibrates with you. It helps if your space is clean and organizes as well, and if you let a lot of light in...

I hope you find your way to the light very soon.

[redzalez]

Originally Posted by Alstar

So... what makes you "know" that there's a devil? You didn't mention how you came by this knowledge.

Well I have struggled like right now with living. Crazy I know!!! I have even thought of other things as well.. Believe me its the presence I feel. An actual voice telling me to do something.. Ok now I'm going to stop because I don't want anyone thinking i'm just crazy but to behonest when I say that theres a devil its because I feel the presence of evil.

[Summerbreeze]

Hi redzalez,

when I feel irrational i like the saying "Think in solutions not in problems".
you can put a sticker with "TISNIP" on your refrigerator, in your purse or elsewhere.
It can remind you that everything is perspective. Why do some people have success, why others not?
It's the way we view things and interact with them, reality gives us back what we invest.

we all will deal with dark times in some of our incarnations, the negative side offers just too much growth to not come in contact with it.
Some people even do that consciously, like satanists, many of those people try to use it for a spiritual growth, it's not my path.

So stay calm you have a free will and they feed off negative emotions.
Find your strong will and confidence, they will not gain something out of you then. You are an intelligent guy.

You should more come from the direction where you have kinks in your armor, what's happening in your life, in which direction have i put myself, what are my limiting beliefs, who can't I forgive etc.

It's possible you have put those things already in your subconscious, so now it shows up as a symptom. We don't have everything every time on our mind, that's because we are humans. But we can change those things quickly.

You mentioned you are Christian.
You maybe like to light white candles and pray, putting out intentions, of getting help for your problems, be very correct with formulating.

Go for life it is yours, your daughter is a jewel, your light shines through her, be a role model, she'll be glad to have a father that came over his biggest obstacles.

When transforming really negative things you really get much love and strength out of it for your whole life.

And talk about it freely here on the forums or other people with your problems.

~sb

[redzalez]

Originally Posted by Summerbreeze

Hi redzalez,

when I feel irrational i like the saying "Think in solutions not in problems".
you can put a sticker with "TISNIP" on your refrigerator, in your purse or elsewhere.
It can remind you that everything is perspective. Why do some people have success, why others not?
It's the way we view things and interact with them, reality gives us back what we invest.

we all will deal with dark times in some of our incarnations, the negative side offers just too much growth to not come in contact with it.
Some people even do that consciously, like satanists, many of those people try to use it for a spiritual growth, it's not my path.

So stay calm you have a free will and they feed off negative emotions.
Find your strong will and confidence, they will not gain something out of you then. You are an intelligent guy.

You should more come from the direction where you have kinks in your armor, what's happening in your life, in which direction have i put myself, what are my limiting beliefs, who can't I forgive etc.

It's possible you have put those things already in your subconscious, so now it shows up as a symptom. We don't have everything every time on our mind, that's because we are humans. But we can change those things quickly.

You mentioned you are Christian.
You maybe like to light white candles and pray, putting out intentions, of getting help for your problems, be very correct with formulating.

Go for life it is yours, your daughter is a jewel, your light shines through her, be a role model, she'll be glad to have a father that came over his biggest obstacles.

When transforming really negative things you really get much love and strength out of it for your whole life.

And talk about it freely here on the forums or other people with your problems.

~sb

I have some unbelievable days like today. ITs where that something whispers to me that life is horrible and not worth it. But your right not only am I a light to her but she is to me. I Thank You for posting because believe it or not you and all that respond help me a great deal.

[Summerbreeze]

Be free to ask everything what doesn't make sense or sounds still vague.

Well, just ask anything.

~sb

[Andrew Brunelle]

There is an evil element of this world, but it probably isn't a horned guy in red. It's either sinister aliens or evil leaders...either one is acceptable. Sociopaths as well. People in power are often cold emotionally and see human life as expendable. It is almost as if some of them are not of this world, but there's no way to truly know.

[bluestar]

There is definitely such a thing as evil. But it doesn't sound to me as if your Soul has very much in common with it. But it is true that sensitive people, or even really strong people have times when they feel very low or sad or down. Souls that are learning enlightenment often have "dark nights of the Soul". Do things that bring small joys to your life. Look after yourself as if you were a mother to yourself...(do you see what I mean?) I feel you will be OK. The sun will shine again. It will.

[redzalez]

Originally Posted by bluestar

There is definitely such a thing as evil. But it doesn't sound to me as if your Soul has very much in common with it. But it is true that sensitive people, or even really strong people have times when they feel very low or sad or down. Souls that are learning enlightenment often have "dark nights of the Soul". Do things that bring small joys to your life. Look after yourself as if you were a mother to yourself...(do you see what I mean?) I feel you will be OK. The sun will shine again. It will.

Maybe I am having a dark night but I have been tested several times this past year. I thank God that I have had the support of family because without them really I would not know how dumb I would have acted. In a sense even though I feel this low I also at times feel like I am watched through this test. I also live through the knowledge that someday I know the sun will shine...

[earthman]

Being a christian you have been taught to believe and fear a devil. My belief and my personal experience is that our own egos can gain mass to the point where it wants to grow and serve itself. Ego and self image are the same thing. It alerts us to the biggest threat we as herd animals face and that is rejection by the group. Someone gives us a dirty look and the ego goes into overdrive, starts creating scenarios and devising defenses. The more energy it is fed the more energy mass and power it wants and can become it's own entity.At some point you cannot directly try to suppress it as it will fight you.
You have to stop feeding it fear energy and stop seeing unecessary threats around you. Raise your vibe by focusing on what you love and want to experience and little by little your life experience will return to your natural state of joy. Hope this is helpful.

[supertom]

This is not what i get at all from this thread to me it sounds like a person not taking responsibility for their emotions and feelings. Its the voice of depression and your shadow, that what it sounds like.

[Frankmat]

Originally Posted by earthman

Being a christian you have been taught to believe and fear a devil. My belief and my personal experience is that our own egos can gain mass to the point where it wants to grow and serve itself. Ego and self image are the same thing.

That's pretty much it. When I first read this I thought to myself... sounds like religion based fear... then when i saw the "I'm a christian" it confirmed it.

There is no devil. There is only energy... there are negative low vibrational energies absolutely... and you can protect yourself from that... especially if you are psychically very open and empathic.... but that aint the devil! It is no different to walking in a room with someone at work who is a negative person that you don't like being around.

Sounds more to me like you are suffering from depression and are very open psychically... meditation and protection would help I think.

[elucidate]

The voice you are experiencing may be your own voice telling you these things, and it does sound like you are depressed about life. It can seem like the voices are not yours, but they often are.

It's just that you have been indoctrinated to believe that if you hear voices in your head it is either because you are crazy, or because the devil is trying to make you do things.

In reality nothing can make you do anything you don't choose to do. Nothing and no one has any control over you, only you have control over these thoughts in your own head.

There is no devil except the one inside us all...but there is God there too.

[Summerbreeze]

In essence I'd say, it's a place where you put yourself, and by that you can as well put yourself out of it.

That's what the people want you to remind you of and to let you take action.

~sb

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by elucidate

There is no devil except the one inside us all...but there is God there too.

There is nothing outside of us - other people, things, ideas... So, why all that fuss about them?

Merrick

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by redzalez

Maybe I am having a dark night but I have been tested several times this past year. I thank God that I have had the support of family because without them really I would not know how dumb I would have acted. In a sense even though I feel this low I also at times feel like I am watched through this test. I also live through the knowledge that someday I know the sun will shine...

Hi redzalez,

if you like I can offer you a healing meditation which would shed more Light into what this experience is to give you. I could send you a written report from this healing.

There are other things which I could offer, like identifying that evil presence with its voice, it just depends on what you are open to.

Merrick

[redzalez]

Originally Posted by Merrick1

Hi redzalez,

if you like I can offer you a healing meditation which would shed more Light into what this experience is to give you. I could send you a written report from this healing.

There are other things which I could offer, like identifying that evil presence with its voice, it just depends on what you are open to.

Merrick

Go ahead and send. I'm curious to what you mean.

Again I'm not crazy. Passed eight month yes lead me into a bad depressed state. I'm usually a pretty mellow person and skeptical of a lot of things but I tell you the things I feel are pretty real.

[redzalez]

If anyone has a gift of being a psychic or tarot reading can one do one for me. Fred 05-20-73, I hate asking because I hate handouts. I have had financial problems this past 8 mths and if there is any light to shed on whats to come that can bring me a smile that would be greatly appreciated.

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by redzalez

Go ahead and send.

Hi Fred,

we have just finished a healing meditation for you. I have made a written report of it. Would you please PM me your e-mail address where I can send you the report?

If it makes sense to you, we can do some other things later. For the time being it would be good to work with what we have done now.

Blessings

Merrick

[Midnite]

I agree with the fact that there are beings "on" this Earth who have been termed demons or devils. I do not agree with the fact that there is only one. There are in fact multiple beings who exist within the darker areas of our lives. To remain ignorant of them, would be to remain ignorant of a part of your very existence.

I don't like it when people say "the devil doesn't exist". It just means you havn't experienced something truly and unbelievably gut-wrenching. Now take that feeling and spread it over 4 years. Very soon you would believe your existence is in Hell itself.

I somehow really relate with what you are currently going through. In fact I am going through the exact same thing right now....

I have been meditating for over 8 years. Nearly every single night I pray to God and then meditate. Sometimes I meditate for hours on end. Sometimes when I wake from my trance I can see the sunlight creeping in through my windows...

Most enlightening from my rituals occurs when I am in my absolute height of frequency, when I envision myself standing before a presence of God, feeling the incredible light, the incredible power. I then further my vision to a point where I am fused with God, and I feel as if I am part of our Universe. I truly feel I am the universe.

The climax of my feelings crash like a falling star when I realise how pitiful my life really is. All thats wrong with my life, how little power I really have, how miniscule my life is to God. And the most absolute dark depression settles over my mind. This can lasts for months on end. Living in a world of darkness, like black clouds encircling my life, slowly dragging me under.

It doesn't stop there... I have at times sprung from prayer in the most mind drenching anger you could ever imagine. I become pure hatred, my vision blurs, my mind becomes molten hot, and I hate everything, and everyone. I rebel against God himself and I find not a single reason to stay alive.

You have a daughter, and through that love you have an undenying reason to be here, no matter what.
I lack suck delicate bonds to Earth, and I hope you could appreciate how little ties me down, from stopping myself from just jumping off my balcony.

Something up there must like me. From every time I have such a bloodrage, I feel a powerful presence enter my surroundings and calm me down, like a bucket of snow to fire.

One of my favourite quotes "Face your Demons" is really quite practical in our situations. The only way to lift such depression is to find that shining light in your life. Whether it be your daughter, or some other reason. And then concentrate on that light.

I can tell you right now God doesn't help in curing depression.

[AlmostGodess]

Red, my mother is going through a bad depression and at times I feel I cannot take her pain anymore. I feel helpless, but I stay with her in there because I want to have a mother and I want my children have a grandmother. Try to get out of this state. Forget about the devil. Even if he exists, I believe he has some other more important stuff to do then mess up with your life.

Give yourself a second chance. You deserve it!

[Blue Sparks]

NO, there is NOT a devil. That's what the church taught you and its false, completely false. You create your own reality. You have the power to make choices. You can't always choose your feelings but most of the time you can. You chose to be depressed.

Take responsibility.

[redzalez]

Originally Posted by Midnite

I agree with the fact that there are beings "on" this Earth who have been termed demons or devils. I do not agree with the fact that there is only one. There are in fact multiple beings who exist within the darker areas of our lives. To remain ignorant of them, would be to remain ignorant of a part of your very existence.

I don't like it when people say "the devil doesn't exist". It just means you havn't experienced something truly and unbelievably gut-wrenching. Now take that feeling and spread it over 4 years. Very soon you would believe your existence is in Hell itself.

I somehow really relate with what you are currently going through. In fact I am going through the exact same thing right now....

I have been meditating for over 8 years. Nearly every single night I pray to God and then meditate. Sometimes I meditate for hours on end. Sometimes when I wake from my trance I can see the sunlight creeping in through my windows...

Most enlightening from my rituals occurs when I am in my absolute height of frequency, when I envision myself standing before a presence of God, feeling the incredible light, the incredible power. I then further my vision to a point where I am fused with God, and I feel as if I am part of our Universe. I truly feel I am the universe.

The climax of my feelings crash like a falling star when I realise how pitiful my life really is. All thats wrong with my life, how little power I really have, how miniscule my life is to God. And the most absolute dark depression settles over my mind. This can lasts for months on end. Living in a world of darkness, like black clouds encircling my life, slowly dragging me under.

It doesn't stop there... I have at times sprung from prayer in the most mind drenching anger you could ever imagine. I become pure hatred, my vision blurs, my mind becomes molten hot, and I hate everything, and everyone. I rebel against God himself and I find not a single reason to stay alive.

You have a daughter, and through that love you have an undenying reason to be here, no matter what.
I lack suck delicate bonds to Earth, and I hope you could appreciate how little ties me down, from stopping myself from just jumping off my balcony.

Something up there must like me. From every time I have such a bloodrage, I feel a powerful presence enter my surroundings and calm me down, like a bucket of snow to fire.

One of my favourite quotes "Face your Demons" is really quite practical in our situations. The only way to lift such depression is to find that shining light in your life. Whether it be your daughter, or some other reason. And then concentrate on that light.

I can tell you right now God doesn't help in curing depression.

You have pinpointed the exact way I feel. I know I am the only one that can help myself and really know that better things are to come. I hang in and try to stay strong for my little one. She needs me because her mom would screw her life up without me.

[redzalez]

Originally Posted by Blue Sparks

NO, there is NOT a devil. That's what the church taught you and its false, completely false. You create your own reality. You have the power to make choices. You can't always choose your feelings but most of the time you can. You chose to be depressed.

Take responsibility.

That means you have never been there so I can excuse the need for you to come on this thread and put your meaningless two cents in. We all have our own beliefs and I'm not going to knock you because you believe what you believe. Doesn't mean by far that your right.

[Blue Sparks]

Originally Posted by redzalez

That means you have never been there so I can excuse the need for you to come on this thread and put your meaningless two cents in. We all have our own beliefs and I'm not going to knock you because you believe what you believe. Doesn't mean by far that your right.

Never been there, you mean depressed? Please!! Your talking to Mr. Depression here, I've dealt with major depression for over 8 years I've learned and experienced enough to know that we are responsible for what we allow into our minds, we choose how we deal with our emotions and feelings, this is true even if you don't think so! I'm not coming on here to attack you!

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by Blue Sparks

... we are responsible for what we allow into our minds...

A large part of what comes into our minds are things emerging from the unconscious. Things that happened to us in a distant past, the energies of our family system, of our ancestors,... There is so much that affects us in our lives which we often have no clue about. Yet, it does.

And it is no good to try to suppress anything, choosing what we allow and what we don't allow into our minds.. Suppressed stuff just festers there and brings even a greater trouble later on. The solution is to uncover it, bring it to the light, examine it, understand it and accept it. Then it may dissolve.

Originally Posted by Blue Sparks

... we choose how we deal with our emotions and feelings...

Yes, this is true. The key is to learn to live consciously. But it takes time to develop this skill. And it is a never ending learning process.

Merrick

[James81]

The good news is that if the devil DOES exist, then that means God exists too, no?

I think you might find some comfort in that.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by James81

The good news is that if the devil DOES exist, then that means God exists too, no?

I think you might find some comfort in that.

I always like to look at it by breaking down the words themselves.

God=Good and Devil=D'Evil.

These two forces exist in all of us...good and bad, God and Devil inside.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Merrick1

A large part of what comes into our minds are things emerging from the unconscious. Things that happened to us in a distant past, the energies of our family system, of our ancestors,... There is so much that affects us in our lives which we often have no clue about. Yet, it does.

And it is no good to try to suppress anything, choosing what we allow and what we don't allow into our minds.. Suppressed stuff just festers there and brings even a greater trouble later on. The solution is to uncover it, bring it to the light, examine it, understand it and accept it. Then it may dissolve.



Yes, this is true. The key is to learn to live consciously. But it takes time to develop this skill. And it is a never ending learning process.

Merrick

This is really true, and it causes questions about the whole "create your own reality" mindset.

We can unconsciously "take on" other peoples depression. It's a well known phenomena in the psychological community. Kids take on their parents repressed depression and anger, and can spend their whole lives depressed without the slightest notion that it isn't even their own depression they are experiencing.

We can also take on ancestral wounds...depression, anger and traumatic memories and thoughtforms. Did we really create these things? I don't think so.