Who believes in Karma?

[redzalez]

It has to be true. Everyone that has done me wrong has paid for it in some way.

[bluestar]

I def. believe in karma. It makes good common sense.
We do things the way we do them because of where we're at. Where we're at creates circumstances and effects. We can't avoid being on the receiving end of circumstances and effects we create....

[Midwinter Mist]

To be honest, I've lost all belief in karma. There's been quite a number of people that have treated me in such horrific ways, regardless of the good I'd do for them. I've always been a good person. However, in the end, it's always me that's still suffering and these people continue to have wonderful lives and it just doesn't seem to stop.

I can't tell you how many times I've sat around begging for some sort of karma to come into play, but it just doesn't seem to happen.

So, I don't believe in karma.

[NICE]

Hi Guy's

I absolutely agree and resonate with this wise quote..

My actions are my only true belongings. I cannot escape the consequences of my actions. My actions are the ground upon which I stand. ~Thich Nhat Hanh

[Nimue]

Originally Posted by Midwinter Mist

To be honest, I've lost all belief in karma. There's been quite a number of people that have treated me in such horrific ways, regardless of the good I'd do for them. I've always been a good person. However, in the end, it's always me that's still suffering and these people continue to have wonderful lives and it just doesn't seem to stop.

I can't tell you how many times I've sat around begging for some sort of karma to come into play, but it just doesn't seem to happen.

So, I don't believe in karma.

Not sure I agree. There are many people who seem to lead wonderful lifes, but at the inside they are always unstatisfied, depressed and pitiful. They go out with these fake smiles tryong to persuade everyone they are perfect but inside they are torn apart and don't know why.

Also, there are people who think they are doing good while evil. Al Capone thought so. How to judge that kind of people, really? It's a big question.

I do believe in carma, kind of (I believe it's restricted in this life, though). Not exactly in carma, but in the balance of things. A funny example is my cat. I love cats, however when I was little I used to torture mine, and now I have a cat that tortures me
Most people who ever wronged me-or others I know-did so because they already had a problem, though, it's not like they were destroyed because of divine judgement or something. It's just the way things work.

[Frankmat]

Originally Posted by Midwinter Mist

To be honest, I've lost all belief in karma. There's been quite a number of people that have treated me in such horrific ways, regardless of the good I'd do for them. I've always been a good person. However, in the end, it's always me that's still suffering and these people continue to have wonderful lives and it just doesn't seem to stop.

I can't tell you how many times I've sat around begging for some sort of karma to come into play, but it just doesn't seem to happen.

So, I don't believe in karma.

A Karmic lesson doesn't necessarily mean it has to happen in this life time... it may be future lives where she needs to learn the karmic lesson she has created for herself now.

[Midwinter Mist]

Originally Posted by Frankmat

A Karmic lesson doesn't necessarily mean it has to happen in this life time... it may be future lives where she needs to learn the karmic lesson she has created for herself now.

I certainly hope not.

I've often wondered if the reason I suffer in life like I do has anything to do with a past life and something I could have done there. What if that is the case? Although ultimately I'm the same being, I'm a different one on this Earth and it makes me feel like I'd be suffering for the faults of an entirely different person. If I've done something wrong in a past life then I would, in theory, deserve to suffer, but I have, personally, done nothing wrong.

I feel karma should be put into order in this life. I don't see the point in people suffering for their mistakes as an entirely new person in a new life, because when that happens, to me it seems like the actual 'criminal' didn't end up paying for it and somebody new and innocent is suffering and doesn't know why...

That's just how I feel about it.

[lilkatie]

karma is reality, strange yet true.

when u give the old lady at the counter a dollar to pay her groceries cuz shes short changed, dont expect it back. smile and realise you have done kindly and kindness will return in another form. it is the smallest of things that count.
when ur at the counter and the man gives you too much change back.. correct him instead of greedily walking away..
one day without noticing you will recieve something that helps you out and it could be anything but you will be repaid..

life is life, bad things happen to the best of us just as good things happen to the worst. but that is life NOT karma-karma is the little things we never think anything more of- the things that keep us sweetly smiling

[bluestar]

Originally Posted by Midwinter Mist

I certainly hope not.

I've often wondered if the reason I suffer in life like I do has anything to do with a past life and something I could have done there. What if that is the case? Although ultimately I'm the same being, I'm a different one on this Earth and it makes me feel like I'd be suffering for the faults of an entirely different person. If I've done something wrong in a past life then I would, in theory, deserve to suffer, but I have, personally, done nothing wrong.

I feel karma should be put into order in this life. I don't see the point in people suffering for their mistakes as an entirely new person in a new life, because when that happens, to me it seems like the actual 'criminal' didn't end up paying for it and somebody new and innocent is suffering and doesn't know why...

That's just how I feel about it.

I see how you feel about this. It doesn't seem logical or fair...
But if we consider (using the idea that our 'lives' are beads on a 'necklace' string of continuing Being) then it is all happening to the same person. That way it would be like....doing something wrong one day....then going to sleep and waking up in the morning (an analogy of our death in that past life, and waking into a new life)....and so facing the consequences of something we did the day before, so to speak.

I'm not in agreement with the whole idea of "punishment" for anything anyway. We're not here to be punished! We're simply here to learn how to live and evolve. And sometimes sufferings aren't caused by being "bad" in any way, they can be caused by not quite understanding something....or not quite being in the same gear as others....or from knowing people whom we have not enough in common with....etc! or from other causes.
In my experiences if I have done something wrongly, I have been shown ways to learn how to do it differently....I have been given opportunities to learn. And some of those opportunities have been pleasant and interesting.
If I've suffered, many times it was because I had some form of attachment to something which wasn't right for me.

[Cado]

I have said it on my blog but I'll state it here-there is no karma, there is no fair or unfair, there is only what you create.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by redzalez

It has to be true. Everyone that has done me wrong has paid for it in some way.

The way its describe here I have to say no, cause than who decides what is right and what is wrong. For something to happen there has to be co-creation, there has to be a victim and a villain, and they are both equally responsible for what happens.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by supertom

The way its describe here I have to say no, cause than who decides what is right and what is wrong. For someone to happen there has to be co-creation, there has to be a victim and a villain, and they are both equally responsible for what happens.

The only way karma can work is through belief in karma. Really, when I first heard of the LOA that's how I framed it-conscious karma.

You know those people who destroy and then suffer for it? Yeah, they were holding destructive energy within themselves which was turned against them, consciously or unconsciously, because they thought they deserved it. Either that or they ignored cause and effect and then did something which created backlash and that caught them off guard.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

The only way karma can work is through belief in karma. Really, when I first heard of the LOA that's how I framed it-conscious karma.

You know those people who destroy and then suffer for it? Yeah, they were holding destructive energy within themselves which was turned against them, consciously or unconsciously, because they thought they deserved it. Either that or they ignored cause and effect and then did something which created backlash and that caught them off guard.

I agree, I was to giving the OP some food for thought

BTW have you read the seth books.

[supertom]

I do however think that karma and similar beliefs are heavily ingrained into us from long long ago.

[HiImJeremy]

I find Karma is a bit like how i view energy. Karma, like energy to me, just is. Depending on what we do whether that be a negative or positively inclined action, will be what is returned back.

I always think of it like loaning books. You lend a beautiful, loving, neat and tidy book to the Universe, Creator, whatever - and then when the time is right and the Universe, Creator, whatever is done with the book, it is given back to you.

Goes the other way too. You send a nasty, hateful, anger inspired book to the Universe...well...You're gunna get your ass handed to ya. lol.

I think thats why it's so important to consciously choose your thoughts, and your actions. we often dont think before we do.

I've had people do terrible things to me, nasty things. Lies and deceit, backstabbing, cruel actions, words, the same as everyone else. Over time i've sort of just made peace with what has made me a stronger person and i've often thanked my worst enemies for teaching me some valuable lessons.

What im interested though is those wishing karma on others. If someone says i hope you get karma for what you did to me, in anger, does the person who says that actually get the karma instead? Im still not quite sure.

[redzalez]

From my experiences always someone that has done me wrong has something in return happen to them. I don't know how to explain it. I know we are all different in beliefs but I am just trying to find some that are similar to mine. I am big in my faith and have had experiences to where I know I was protected. I don't wish harm on anyone but what good is in doing anyone harm? There are many evil people in this world. Some may not be that evil but can easily not have a conscious.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by redzalez

From my experiences always someone that has done me wrong has something in return happen to them. I don't know how to explain it. I know we are all different in beliefs but I am just trying to find some that are similar to mine. I am big in my faith and have had experiences to where I know I was protected. I don't wish harm on anyone but what good is in doing anyone harm? There are many evil people in this world. Some may not be that evil but can easily not have a conscious.

This is similar my mother also, whenever someone screws her over they get it returned to them bad !!!

[redzalez]

Originally Posted by supertom

This is similar my mother also, whenever someone screws her over they get it returned to them bad !!!

Its unexplainable but that what I have experienced as well.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by supertom

I agree, I was to giving the OP some food for thought

BTW have you read the seth books.

Aye, aye, I was just expanding on what you'd said.

'Fraid I haven't.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Midwinter Mist

To be honest, I've lost all belief in karma. There's been quite a number of people that have treated me in such horrific ways, regardless of the good I'd do for them. I've always been a good person. However, in the end, it's always me that's still suffering and these people continue to have wonderful lives and it just doesn't seem to stop.

I can't tell you how many times I've sat around begging for some sort of karma to come into play, but it just doesn't seem to happen.

So, I don't believe in karma.

I've come to question it again, even though I started out not believing in it, then had experiences where things would happen to me straight after I had done something bad, and then later, after adjusting my behavior to 'treat others the way I want to be treated', discovered it didn't seem to make a damn difference and people will still just be ****wits...so, yeah, I have my doubt again!

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by lilkatie

life is life, bad things happen to the best of us just as good things happen to the worst. but that is life NOT karma-karma is the little things we never think anything more of- the things that keep us sweetly smiling

From your description here, it sounds more like you are talking about appreciating the simple things in life. I don't think that's karma, that's just wise living.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Aye, aye, I was just expanding on what you'd said.

'Fraid I haven't.

Highly recommended, Seth actually inspired Richard Bach to write his books, Richard actually used to go to the channellings. I have 2 in pdf format if you ever want it.

[Cado]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I've come to question it again, even though I started out not believing in it, then had experiences where things would happen to me straight after I had done something bad, and then later, after adjusting my behavior to 'treat others the way I want to be treated', discovered it didn't seem to make a damn difference and people will still just be ****wits...so, yeah, I have my doubt again!

Look at the people in charge of BP. Their mismanagement dumped tons and tons of oil into the ocean but they still have their company, they still have their jobs, and they're raking in money. If karma were real that should not be the case.

Karma doesn't make sense precisely because it is so inconsistent. Maybe justice will happen in another life but then who ensures that it will happen? What universal laws correlate to our ideals of right and wrong and how do they take effect when someone needs to get their comeuppance?

Karma introduces a lot of new variables which then have to be accounted for and explained. It's far simpler to say we create what we are congruent with. Perhaps energetic bonds formed between people will last between lifetimes and dictate the nature of their relationship with each other but that's the closest thing to karma I could imagine actually being real.

[elucidate]

Gaaah! My world is all askew...damn you Cado!

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

Look at the people in charge of BP. Their mismanagement dumped tons and tons of oil into the ocean but they still have their company, they still have their jobs, and they're raking in money. If karma were real that should not be the case.

Karma doesn't make sense precisely because it is so inconsistent. Maybe justice will happen in another life but then who ensures that it will happen? What universal laws correlate to our ideals of right and wrong and how do they take effect when someone needs to get their comeuppance?

Karma introduces a lot of new variables which then have to be accounted for and explained. It's far simpler to say we create what we are congruent with. Perhaps energetic bonds formed between people will last between lifetimes and dictate the nature of their relationship with each other but that's the closest thing to karma I could imagine actually being real.

[ellie]

I don't believe in karma so much, but I believe you can take action to better your own situation/life based on bad/unfair behaviour you have witnessed.

[Midwinter Mist]

Originally Posted by HiImJeremy

What im interested though is those wishing karma on others. If someone says i hope you get karma for what you did to me, in anger, does the person who says that actually get the karma instead? Im still not quite sure.

Good question.

I've been in the position many times where I've wanted karma to be enforced. In fact, it's usually a daily thing for me. I see it more as enforcing justice, though, like putting a killer in prison (not that all of them end up there). If somebody causes a crime, then I think it's fair that justice (karma) is served.

Over the years, in my own life, I've let lots go and then I've held lots of grudges. Forgiveness is good, but I've come to learn that some people don't deserve forgiveness. In fact, if I'm being honest, there have been occasions in which I could have helped some sort of karma take place, but instead I'd be too forgiving of something and paid the price.

This is a rather crazy example, but imagine forgiving somebody at the very point they're trying to take your life. What would you gain from that? Really? Nothing. You'd suffer. If instead you fought back and managed to stop them (for the sake of the point)... I guess that's karma... maybe.

Meh, I'm probably thinking too hard about i t.

[bullard123]

Originally Posted by Midwinter Mist

To be honest, I've lost all belief in karma. There's been quite a number of people that have treated me in such horrific ways, regardless of the good I'd do for them. I've always been a good person. However, in the end, it's always me that's still suffering and these people continue to have wonderful lives and it just doesn't seem to stop.

I can't tell you how many times I've sat around begging for some sort of karma to come into play, but it just doesn't seem to happen.

So, I don't believe in karma.

What comes around goes around trust me...It's just that you are not always there to see it. I've had bosses get fired who treated me bad on the job for no apparent reason (jealously maybe)..didn't happen right away but I always got the word one way or another. Thats happened twice so far

[bullard123]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

I have said it on my blog but I'll state it here-there is no karma, there is no fair or unfair, there is only what you create.

I disagree with this...Even the bible teaches "we reap what we sow". I guarentee you people who lie and cheat will eventually get lied to and cheated on

[bullard123]

Originally Posted by redzalez

From my experiences always someone that has done me wrong has something in return happen to them. I don't know how to explain it. I know we are all different in beliefs but I am just trying to find some that are similar to mine. I am big in my faith and have had experiences to where I know I was protected. I don't wish harm on anyone but what good is in doing anyone harm? There are many evil people in this world. Some may not be that evil but can easily not have a conscious.

Wow this is so true!! And what I've learned is the people who dish out all of the bad karma are the very ones who can't handle it!! And sometimes people do you wrong on purpose as if they don't have a conscious like you mentioned. I just got out of a situation like this with a girl I used to date at work. She was very two faced..She always changed herself depending on who was around. Apparent chameleon. Now its to the point where I don't have anything to do with her. It amazes me the fronts and fasads people feel they have to put up to "fit in"

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by bullard123

I disagree with this...Even the bible teaches "we reap what we sow". I guarentee you people who lie and cheat will eventually get lied to and cheated on

Well yeah, but that's probably because mostly every person lies and cheats at some point in their life, even 'good' people.