Time travel, changing the past with an OBE?

[Karen TDQ]

Oh I do like your answer! My brain is not sure if it is coming or going or chewing on its own tail!

[Gargoil]

Originally Posted by wstein

A very interesting possibility. I don’t know because I never tried. Not sure if it should work or not.

From your time related experiences in the RTZ do you think time as we know it is real in the physical or are we just in an illusion? is time in the eternal now?

[wstein]

Actually a bunch of questions I will answer separately.

Originally Posted by Gargoil

do you think time as we know it is real in the physical

Time is not as represented. It is more or less a sequence of cause and effect. Even science recognizes that time is particular (relative) to each observer. The whole of time already ‘is’, so that beings outside of time can see the whole sequence.

Originally Posted by Gargoil

or are we just in an illusion?

We are in the illusion. Depending on how you look at it, it’s either one very complicated convoluted illusion or many layers of simple illusions. For instance, most people live in the world of the ego, also known as drama and trauma. Nearly all of that is entirely self/ego invented based a tiny among of sensory input and a huge amount of imagination. The simple version of enlightenment is to realize that the world of the ego is not the physical world your actual body lives in. The physical world of objects (including your body) does not exist in that form either. Actually it’s made up of abstract forms and a mutual agreement by participating (spiritual) beings to act as if the abstract forms are actualized. ETC..

Originally Posted by Gargoil

is time in the eternal now?

The now is where your awareness is within the illusion and where you can change the illusion from within. The now is not a time, only a point of consciousness where your divineness provides creative input.

[Gargoil]

Originally Posted by wstein

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Even science recognizes that time is particular (relative) to each observer.

Is this true?

[wstein]

Originally Posted by Gargoil

Is this true?

From my understanding, yes for beings within time. It is however easy to misinterpret the answer.

A simple analogy: You and two friends are boating on a small lake. You are at one end, Jack is in the middle (exactly distant to both of you), and Jill is at the far end. Jack yells out for you and Jill to clap your hands loudly as soon as he does. Jack claps his hands and as requested both you and Jill clap theirs as soon as you see him clap. So what does each observer perceive? Jack sees both you and Jill clap your hands right after he does, hears his clap and then a short delay later hears both yours and Jill’s claps at the same time. You see Jack clap his hands, you clap yours, and Jill claps just after. Then just a split later you hear your own clap, followed by Jack’s clap and then Jill’s. Note that already the visual order of claps does not match the audible order of claps for you. The experience for Jill is a mirror of yours where she perceives that she always claps before you do and the order of the visual claps and audible claps does not match. You can try this for yourself in a large space (>100 yards) though because of the speed of light in a medium (slightly less than the speed of cause and effect) is still extremely fast, the visual order may not apparent (you and Jill appear to clap NEARLY at the same time).

Explanation if you are willing to risk your head exploding: Time is about cause and effect. When a ‘distant’ object is somewhere and does what it does, the effect of that doing does not affect the entire universe instantly. The effect of that distant object travels away from object across the intervening distance to eventually effect each and every other part of the universe. The delay between the cause occurring and cause arriving is called time. The amount of time is governed by the distance and the relative velocities of the cause each part of the universe. In the case of objects, the distance and relative velocity of each object relative that particular cause varies. All the causes that reach a particular part of the universe (object) at the same ‘moment’ make up that object’s now and affect its ‘future’. Because the position and velocity of every other part of space and the objects in it are different, the same causes will arrive there in different combinations (different phase, order) for each. Of course every part of space and every object is a cause at every moment. And for objects it gets more complicated to think about as they move and change velocity (relative to causes) after causes ‘occur’ but while causes are moving towards them (before they arrive).

[Deicide]

Time doesn't exist, at least not Chronological time, this is just an human creation to measure one event to another. I hope this makes sense.

Time doesnt exist in astral, that's why you can go to the future (precognition dreams) or even to see past lives, because everything is happening right here and at the same time. However i dont know how you can transfer your consciousness or merge with yourself.

[drax]

Wstein
When i achieved the OBE, do you want to be my teacher, in this stuff ?

[wstein]

Originally Posted by drax

wstein
When i achieved the OBE, do you want to be my teacher, in this stuff ?

I will answer questions and provide direction through the forums or Email to any that are serious about knowing. I am doing this now with some.

For personal reasons, I only ‘teach’ in person. If you happen to live in central Florida ...

FYI, my assistance is not contingent on you achieving OBE.