Announcement of Aliens Coming Soon

[Jane Doe]

Please disregard anything I say. Ever.

[Andrew Gubb]

I heard from someone else that the aliens are likely to come out of the closet soon too I can't wait.

[ChrisL]

Like others, I've been hearing about this for awhile now through a variety of sources. I've heard others talk about the timing of this and watched that time come and go, so I know how it feels to be disappointed. My intention on this thread is not to create some artificial hopes or expectations about what might happen, as much as an honest, grounded, supportive dialogue about our concerns, questions, and how we might be shifting, so that we're better prepared when it does happen.

[Summerbreeze]

I for my part have no expectations, we should be ready for every thing every time, so there is no place for disappointment and we come more easily in a state of flow.

I can understand the anti-attitude, I'd put the attitude into these words if I had to:

Isn't it more like a "manifestation" that the collective hopes to happen, that problems will solve themselves easier?
Like an individual hopes an external influence that'll help himself?

I don't mean that we were alone all the time, but more the general attitude towards the topic.

Theoretically we have so much opportunities right now, we even don't think of, I have experienced much I thought that only would happen in a dream.

But we are still waiting someone to show us that.
I wish many people want to forgo this attitude more and try to make the "impossible" to happen.

Don't get me wrong this thread and your infos are awesome, it's stimulating.

It's more about what we are missing daily and where most people put their hopes on and not getting the bigger picture.

~sb

[ChrisL]

Thanks Summerbreeze! It makes me wonder about the questions arising from your post.

So where are we hoping that someone else will solve things for us, make life easier, rescue us?
Are we postponing life in some way?
What are some of the opportunities that we aren't using?
What are we missing daily, or even moment to moment?
What do people put their hopes on?
What is the bigger picture?

[Anthony1973]

Aliens my arse.
Not in this galaxy any roads

[Anthony1973]

Originally Posted by Anthony1973

Aliens my arse.
Not in this galaxy any roads

maybe sentient beings though.... that'd be awesome

[secrets0stolen]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Elucidate - It's all benevolent. The stories of the abductions and mutilations are exaggerated. We actually owe a lot to our alien relatives, including the fact that they helped genetically mutate our bodies to create the different races (at our request), which created the different bloodlines - O, A, B, AB.

Wait, don't other animals have different blood types too?

Originally Posted by t4488

I'm wondering what sort of proof you offer for aliens (or intelligent design) having nothing to do with it. I'm agnostic about Darwinistic evolution now, although I used to believe in it when I was younger. I have seen enough evidence to prove micro-evolution to me but I have not found any evidence to preclude factors other than context, environment and actions. I'm not trying to provoke anything, I just find objective evolution info hard to find. BTW, I don't think we have a full and complete understanding of gravity either. Thanks.

Do you guys think this alien announcement has anything to do with the earlier Nephilim announcement?

We don't have a complete understanding of gravity cause we can't reconcile Relativity with Quantum Mechanics yet.

Re evolution: I was raised Christian creationist, so I understand that the arguments against can seem convincing. However, it's fundamental to modern biology, and predicts things well, which is how you test any scientific theory. On a scale as grand as all of life on earth those tests just have to present themselves, however we do have several instances of proof of concept.

[secrets0stolen]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

There used to be 3 places in our solar system that had human-type expression. The first was an orbiting moon of Jupiter that was called Maldec, and the the second was Mars, and the last is Earth. The expression on Maldec was focused on power, Mars was expressing honor, and Earth began as the expression of love/compassion. The moon of Maldec exploded in a true hydrogen explosion, ripping the atmosphere off of Mars, and becoming the asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars, and Mars and the Earth - leaving Earth as the only playground/university left to experience lifetimes in a human-type expression.

Wow! That fits with what has been said was possible for human-type life in our solar system. Mars with an atmosphere (especially with the recent evidence that there had been water there) and a moon on a gas giant. While Jupiter is way out of the typical habitable zone, perhaps the moon received heat from the planet itself? I don't know how that would work. Also, how would a moon on Jupiter take with it Mars' atmosphere but not ours? (Random thought: I wonder if there's a dino extinction theory related to this.)

Originally Posted by elucidate

Well, I have to wonder why they would wait until we are on the brink of extinction to come and help us? If they have been here for thousands of years and have been observing us, surely an advanced race would be able to recognise that we need a little guidance...unless they just like to watch us destroy ourselves and jump in at the last minute?

I think there would be several reason's ET's might want to have a general non-intervention deal, but if it came down to literally saving the planet...

[ChrisL]

SecretsStolen - Yes there are animals that have different blood types, like cattle, horses, cats, dogs. From Wikipedia "Animals and bacteria have cell surface antigens referred to as a blood type. Antigens from the human ABO blood group system are also found in apes such as chimpanzees, bonobos and gorillas."

While Jupiter is way out of the typical habitable zone, perhaps the moon received heat from the planet itself? I don't know how that would work. Also, how would a moon on Jupiter take with it Mars' atmosphere but not ours?

There are a variety of ways to get heat, just as we have various ways to create heat/electricity on Earth. And the physical forms were more adapted to that environment.

Earth is a little farther away than Mars so the impact from the explosion didn't affect our atmosphere like it did on Mars, although we did get some comets/meteors from the explosion. Also, depending on the rotation of the planets at the time of explosion, the Earth could have been a lot farther away at the actual time of impact.

[Summerbreeze]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Thanks Summerbreeze! It makes me wonder about the questions arising from your post.

So where are we hoping that someone else will solve things for us, make life easier, rescue us?
Are we postponing life in some way?
What are some of the opportunities that we aren't using?
What are we missing daily, or even moment to moment?
What do people put their hopes on?
What is the bigger picture?

Yes, we should recognize that the problems we have lie in structure and not in content.
It doesn't matter where you are born, it just changes the content. What you really transform is the structure and not the content.
Think of graphite and a diamond, it did not change the content it changed the structure.

Aliens are content.
Of course you can wait, but you are ignoring the underlying issue, with every minute you are hoping on content.

So these are good questions to begin with.

~sb

[ChrisL]

Summerbreeze - I understand what you're saying, and though I like your reframe, this goes beyond even content and structure. Humans are evolving in consciousness, and an event like this is just another signpost helping to underscore what is happening to humans. And yet you're right, we can use all kinds of things, even an event like this, to look outside of ourselves for answers - or we can start digging. As long as we make the aliens too much of a focus, it can be just as distracting as giving our power away to anything else - another relationship, hobbies, addiction, etc.

[Summerbreeze]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Summerbreeze - I understand what you're saying, and though I like your reframe, this goes beyond even content and structure. Humans are evolving in consciousness, and an event like this is just another signpost helping to underscore what is happening to humans. And yet you're right, we can use all kinds of things, even an event like this, to look outside of ourselves for answers - or we can start digging. As long as we make the aliens too much of a focus, it can be just as distracting as giving our power away to anything else - another relationship, hobbies, addiction, etc.

Yes it's evolving, it's difficult to put a mental structure on something formless.

I was sticking to the basics where are able to use communication in words on

Are there thoughts about races/origins that are attached with such an event?

~sb

[secrets0stolen]

Originally Posted by LostMyMap

I hardly think a species on the brink of 7 billion members is on the brink of extinction.

Well... when a population of animals goes beyond carrying capacity and destroys their food supply they are unusually plentiful for a while and then there is a mass die off while the food supply recovers. Depending on the severity of the overshoot they could eat their way to extinction.

Not say that's necessarily humanity's fate, just saying how a overpopulated species could be considered to be on the brink of extinction (not technically, but..).

Originally Posted by Stevens

The biggest problem regarding UFO's and especially ones with alien life on them is the sheer distances needed to travel and the number of years needed to spend traveling. Based on that you may come across one or two alien crafts willing to spend all those years in space but then the number of sighting makes it kind of comical, if not impossible.

Here is a link that shows the distances:
A Million Questions About Habitable Planet Gliese 581g (Okay, 12) | Space.com

Unless someone has another explanation like wormholes but there isnt really any evidence (that i am aware of) so it would need to be some conventional means.

There isn't any reason aliens couldn't have developed ways of manipulating the universe that we haven't. The laws of physics apply universally, but there are definitely things we haven't figured out yet, it's no stretch we'll find ourselves editing them in the future--we certainly have in the past. Travel near (I'm not even suggesting at here) the speed of light is theoretically possible, fuel/energy being the limiting factor that I can think of. On a whole other planet they could have access to a source of energy we can't conceive, or they could have--because of the different path their science could have taken--discovered a way to isolate anti matter with reasonable efficiency. So taking only small leaps, that they have discovered or created a fuel source of great efficiency and availability, they could get to us in 20 years (if it's that particular planet--I also heard there was a 16 light year away potentially habitable planet, and several others more, but reasonable distances). Not to mention, we don't know their life spans. Maybe they're even able to lower their metabolism drastically (effectively stopping aging) and go into a super hibernation during the travel--there could be many ways that could have evolved. There are so many variables that the idea that's there's no life on other planets seems the most unlikely thing to me.


From your comments earlier I get the feeling you may think along the lines of the Rare Earth Hypothesis...would that be accurate?

Originally Posted by ChrisL

SecretsStolen - Yes there are animals that have different blood types, like cattle, horses, cats, dogs. From Wikipedia "Animals and bacteria have cell surface antigens referred to as a blood type. Antigens from the human ABO blood group system are also found in apes such as chimpanzees, bonobos and gorillas."

To me that suggest that blood types evolved without intervention--Occam's razor. Especially since the primates you mentioned are close evolutionary cousins.

There are a variety of ways to get heat, just as we have various ways to create heat/electricity on Earth. And the physical forms were more adapted to that environment.

True, but for a humanoid form I'd assume liquid water would be imperative? So it would have to be practically planet-wide and natural. Perhaps the moon just had a very thin crust and was geothermally heated.

[Jane Doe]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

Ok... I had to come out of lurking on this one....

"...the whole point of aliens is belief..." SERIOUSLY?? As if ANY other entity had to have some kind of point that somehow relates to us in order to justify its existence???

Wow. Just.... wow...

You have misquoted me. I said
"I feel like" (I feel this way, me, my subjective experience)
"a big part of the point" (not the whole point at all)
"of aliens is belief."

I was not trying to make a statement about aliens having to justify their existence. I am not sure how the statement was taken that way. In context, I was just emphasizing the importance of belief as a precursor to certain experiences, in my opinion.

Perhaps I shouldn't say point at all. I don't really think much of anything has a point or a goal per say. I just mean that I feel that a big factor involved with human/alien interactions, from the human perspective, is humans believing that it is possible. I believe in belief.

Chris, I think where we came to a disagreement was in the terminology we use. I think you are using the term "experience" where I would use the term "belief." All of this is just for the record. Belief does not imply that "only one person" thinks something is true. It just means that you trust in something despite there being no rigorous evidence. Even if you have personal evidence (like seeing a UFO), that is not accepted as rigorous evidence. Therefore, it cannot be "knowing" as science would use the term. It can only be belief. You can't really know that what you saw wasn't, for example, a hallucination. I saw a huge UFO one day. Maybe it was "just" a hallucination, I don't know and I can't be sure. But I believe that what I saw was real.

I also do want to point out that religion can be a very personal experience, as I think it was implied earlier that it isn't. That is the basic definition of non-institutionalized religion (being personal, not formal, unwritten, etc). Non-institutionalized or tribal religion encompasses mysticism, spirituality, shamansim, etc.

Is anyone familiar with McKenna's time wave theory? I'm not...it seems relevant for this discussion. I don't know if it really is relevant because I'm not too familiar with it, but I thought I'd ask.

This is a small quote from McKenna, and encompasses my basic knowledge:

“It’s clearly a crisis of two things: of consciousness and conditioning. These are the two things that the psychedelics attack. We have the technological power, the engineering skills to save our planet, to cure disease, to feed the hungry, to end war; But we lack the intellectual vision, the ability to change our minds. We must decondition ourselves from 10,000 years of bad behavior. And, it’s not easy.”

Chris, you mentioned Robert Monroe. I have read Monroe and he's very interesting. He researches altered forms of consciousness, which is what (I am pretty sure) McKenna did as well. These altered forms of consciousness are used as ways for people to gain "direct, personal experience" as you would say. It is a way for personal knowing, not usually scientific knowing.

Right now, altered forms of consciousness are not taken seriously in our society. I think getting these different levels of consciousness to be granted more validity would be much more beneficial for the human race than an alien announcement.

I mean, how many people have had some sort of crazy dream that really spoke to them? If you told most people about the dream, what is the reaction. "It's just a dream" or "it's just your unconscious" or "it's just your repressions" or some other comment that assumes that dreams, along with other altered forms of consciousness, are somehow less valid than normal waking consciousness and cannot be "trusted" to convey some sort of truth.

What if there was a massive announcement that we can take altered forms of consciousness seriously? I bet a lot more people would be seeing and believing in aliens even if they hadn't officially been recognized...

[Rezzy7]

Originally Posted by Jane Doe

I think getting these different levels of consciousness to be granted more validity would be much more beneficial for the human race than an alien announcement.

How do we know the two aren't related? Hasn't a connection between UFOs, abductions, altered states and psychic phenomena been established?

[Blue Sparks]

Hey Chris,

I'm curious just how you access the records. Does it have anything to do with astral projection?

[ChrisL]

Summerbreeze - Are there thoughts about races/origins attached to such an event? Great question. You've been really asking some great ones lately!

What we've seen in our past history, is that a consciousness shift usually preceeds or coincides other kinds of shifts, including a physical transition. In this case, our collective consciousness is moving towards unification, meaning moving beyond time as a standard unit of measurement, unifiying our thoughts, feelings, words and actions, knowing who we are and where we have come from, and much more.

This is going to sound strange to some people, even outrageous, but the physical representation of this shift toward unification, is a transition into bodies that are non-gendered. This will happen more after collective humanity has shifted, which could be another 20-30 years, give or take, so I wouldn't really expect this to be the dominant body expression on the planet till even later than that. I know how weird this sounds, but I thought I would at least share it now with those who want to know.

SecretsStolen - Some of my background includes engineering, so I enjoy your zest for working through all of this to find your own understanding.

Like so many things, it's not about either/or, like either we evolved or we had help, but both/and. The initial groups coming to Earth from the various star systems helped with the transformation and we evolved. If this were left simply to evolution, it would have taken much longer.

And you're right about humanoid forms needing water, and Maldec had enough water for their population. We don't really need food as much as we need the chi/ki/prana/energy from the air, but we do need water to lubricate things like eyes and keep things like joints working. So look at Mars right now. There are some small areas where they are finding ice, but the whole planet used to have water, just like Earth.

Jane - You're right, what is considered as altered consciousness is typically not taken seriously by a large segment of our population, not to mention scientists. And at this point, I would simply call it expanded consciousness, because it's like the old analogy of being able to see different things from different vantage points or perspectives. Like seeing around us from the bottom of the tree, versus seeing a more expansive vista when we're at the top of the tree. It's not like the pack of elephants didn't exist before, we simply didn't have the perspective to see them.

And what if this announcement not only lends credibility to expanded states of consciousness, but coincides with a shift that actually helps us have a greater experience of it? That would be great all around!

And yes, much of this is considered a subjective experience. Do you want to know something funny? One of the reasons that it's hard to get the winning lottery ticket numbers intuitively, is that the greater our need to be right about something, the less accurate we are intuitively - we impact our insight way too much. Only when we let go and stay open to something new, like a hollow bamboo flute, do we have even the chance to let Creation come through.

One of the scientist/mystics who made the transtion from being very mentally-oriented to being hollow was Immanuel Swedenborg. He was considered a scientific genius even in his own day, the Swedish version of Leonardo da Vinci. One of his last scientific goals was to look for the soul in the body - where was it? In the brain, the heart? This search, as well as his own personal issues, led him to become enlightened in his 50's. He delved into science as far as he could go then made a shift. Then after awakening, for years he did all kinds of things secretly - had OBE's, accessed the Records, visited heaven and hell, talked with spirits, etc - while still maintaining an active life in the world with politics, mining, writing, traveling. If someone who was so powerfully intellectual can make a shift beyond his mind like that, then it's possible for even us "regular" folk.

Blue Sparks - You might want to take a look at the Akashic Records discussion under this category - there's lots of information there. I don't usually recommend astral projection to try to read the Records, because then everything can seem even more dreamy, ethereal, non-real. I recommend a combination of chi building exercises, then some deepening techniques like hypnotherapy, then meditative scripts for accessing the Records - it gives a much more grounded experience and makes allowance for different types of students (ie. visually oriented, auditory, etc). Thanks for asking!

[JSB]

Sorry if this comes across as me being a jerk, as I mean no disrespect by it, but is information from the records necessarily accurate? Couldn't it include the mass beliefs of past and present humans, whether true or not?

I only ask because there's no way the explosion of a Jovian moon would destroy the atmosphere of Mars. The closest Jupiter and Mars get is around 500 million km and the furthest is around 1 billion km (with the Sun between them), depending on where they are in their orbits; these are truly enormous distances, and additionally, there wouldn't even be a blast wave from an explosion, as there's no medium for it to travel through in space.

So, I mistrust the accuracy of that piece of information, which leads me to question the accuracy of other information as well.

[Summerbreeze]

Chris, thanks again!

That's not weird at all, many children already are born with an "androgynous touch". Regarding other civilizations that's the way how we roll in evolution Our souls want to integrate both energies too.

Blue Sparks, in my opinion it depends, when you are really good in projection than Astral Projection is attractive.
You can receive the information easily with all your senses and in a way you wouldn't knew it's possible, it's possible to receive infos from you incarnations like experiencing it directly, that's one of the most awesome things I know.
On the other hand like said, it can be very "wishy washy".

If you want "to google" informations it surely is better to get into deep meditation/trance states.

Take your guides with you, you can have ones that are specialists just for that.

Have fun!

~sb

[ChrisL]

JSB - You're not being disrespectful at all, just curious as far as I can see. Can information from the Records be inaccurate - no, it's the raw data. Can someone's interpretation of what is in the Records be inaccurate - you bet, the more conflict we have the worse it can be.

I'm aware of the distance between Mars and Jupiter. Jupiter is so large, that a planet could still be quite some distance from it and still be an orbiting moon. And the explosion on Maldec was a true hydrogen explosion which we've never had on Earth. We use isotopes like deuterium and tritium that have a fraction of the power of a true hydrogen explosion. So when a star emits energy or finally goes supernova, what is the medium through which it travels in space? The sun's radiation seems to get to Earth pretty easily, so how far do you think energy from a supernova would travel?

Since we've never had one on Earth, what do you think the energetic radius of a true hydrogen explosion is, when it's big enough to rip a planet to shreds and the resulting pieces form two asteroid belts? The leaders on Mars had never experienced this type of explosion before so no one knew how to prepare. Both the civilizations on Maldec and Mars disappeared, leaving Earth as the only planet left to play. I originally mentioned it to show that sometimes our assumptions about Earth and our place in the galaxy/universe aren't correct - there's more to understand.

There was a man named George Hunt Williamson that used to also access the Akashic Records. He had several books, one that was called Other Tongues, Other Flesh, that actually talks about this very occurence, so I'm not the only person to talk about this nor do I take credit for discovering this. He has some other information that I'm not totally in agreement with, but he also talks about the "moons" of Mars as not being moons, but rather stabilizing satellites to help Mars stay on it's orbital path - which the leaders did apparently have enough foresight to put into place before the explosion.

Please feel free to access the Records and let us know what you discover. I'm not the only person who does this nor do I want to be - the more the merrier. And you're right - just because I have an experience from the Records doesn't necessarily make it true. I'm not infallible like the Pope. Thanks for asking.

[LuisSuarez]

I don't know what to make of this.

I follow a lot of websites on the matter with people who know their sources and other stuff.

They are not planning an announcement because the powerhouses of the world know the social breakdown an alien announcement would cause. The world is so rigid and set in its primitive ways and feelings. (apparently)

It would end all religions, people would not listen to their leaders. It will happen in the future when these beings have discussed this with the most powerful nations, but the 20-30 year timescale is way too short. The powers that be don't want an announcement, neither do these beings apparently. If you look into the history of these things, it's all down to war, power and greed.

However, the talk is of a conscious shift, which fits into the 20-30 year timescale. More people are awakening to the reality around them. Something like a worldwide catastrophe would unite everyone. There is the Apophis Asteroid on its way.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by LuisSuarez

They are not planning an announcement because the powerhouses of the world know the social breakdown an alien announcement would cause. The world is so rigid and set in its primitive ways and feelings. (apparently)

It would end all religions, people would not listen to their leaders. It will happen in the future when these beings have discussed this with the most powerful nations, but the 20-30 year timescale is way too short. The powers that be don't want an announcement, neither do these beings apparently. If you look into the history of these things, it's all down to war, power and greed.

I think you sell the Human species far too short with this opinion. I believe we have a far larger capacity to adapt and adjust than you are giving us credit for.

But, that is just MY opinion. So, please take it with whatever grain of salt you choose.

[ChrisL]

Luis - With all the different opinions and information around, it can be difficult to sort through what is useful.

They are not planning an announcement because the powerhouses of the world know the social breakdown an alien announcement would cause.

Given what is happening around the world, this is humorous to me. What if we're already having a breakdown of social structure? I've been traveling more since 2003 and I've seen quite a few changes in so many cultures in just those few years - not just from the news, but personally visiting countries. Look at what is currently happening in the Middle East. All the news sources that I've heard are talking about how the oil prices, and then food and other prices will go up. I'm already watching them go up where I live. People are really going through a lot right now, then add the extra tension of economics, political change, having to sort out our personal issues, interesting and unpredictable weather patterns and earth changes - how much more change do you feel is needed? I'm not saying this from a position of fear or panic as much as an observation, but many people around the world are back in survival mode already, even in developed countries - do you view the world as particularly socially stable right now? How much more of a shakeup do you feel is needed?

It would end all religions, people would not listen to their leaders. It will happen in the future when these beings have discussed this with the most powerful nations, but the 20-30 year timescale is way too short. The powers that be don't want an announcement, neither do these beings apparently. If you look into the history of these things, it's all down to war, power and greed.

Historically, whenever people feel like their reality is shifting and so much change/discomfort is happening, they will look for answers. Sometimes inside themselves and sometimes through external sources, depending on the scenario. And we've been moving into this kind of transition for the last 500 years, so it's not like we've suddenly shifted.

Will this end religion overnight? For some people yes because of their internal shift, and for others they will want to look toward religion to supply answers even more. So the institution of religions will probably continue on, at least for a little while, because their will still be those that have a need for it, they want to have an external organization for safety, comfort, validation, etc. And because there are those that still want to remain in power and controlling others. The same with leaders, although I would imagine that leaders would have to be seen as those with more integrity and commitment toward the people than in the past. The leaders currently being overthrown in the Middle-East right now are mostly viewed as self-serving individuals.

So if things are in enough turmoil, where the old structures/beliefs are simply not working anymore, then making an announcement would make perfect sense. Using the breakdown as a catalyst to lead people has happened throughout history, not just governments but religions have formed in this way. The messages that might be sent would be things like "Things are not as bad as they seem", "We're undergoing a transition and we have some answers", "By the way, we have other help available", "We have a vision that will help us through this".

Will some people still want to follow their own program? I'm sure, but we've had that happen throughout history too. Will there be mass hysteria? I doubt it if it's handled properly, because we are already going through so much that people will simply want something that works. I mean, when a community is on fire, which I've personally seen last year, people don't argue about who is helping as much as "does this work now"? They don't argue about "Is this the city or county EMT?" or "Is that plane dropping water or fire retardant?" as much as what works immediately, and with that in mind, those with answers that help will be seen as leaders.

And you're right, at least in a social structure, many times things can come down to money, power, greed, control. There will be some on the planet who still want to play that game, and then there are others, hopefully people on this forum, who will be shifting and helping others shift into a more empowered, compassionate, grounded, conscious mode of life.

[LuisSuarez]

Hi ChrisL,

Many thanks for your reply to my post.

I'll tell you about a project I'm working on and maybe that will help explain things from my perspective.

I've been researching in depth on the origins of the Bible, the 'real' meaning to the story of Genesis, the birth and resurrection of Christ etc. Looking at the first civilisation of Sumeria and the story of beings from above involved in our creation, I went further and saw the influence of extra-terrestrials on our history throughout the ages.

I believe that the US Government are working with a set of extra-terrestrials who have themselves ridiculed the actual extra-terrestrials who created us and twisted things. What I mean is that Satan is seen as a serpent, a snake, but various texts across the globe show the intervention of these snake beings in our creation.

Throughout history, everything is motivated by our primitive instincts of greed, power and wealth. Wars have seen to that in the name of power. I will be writing a fictionalised account with my findings. Three set of beings have been here always I believe from the constellations of Orion and Sirius.

It is in my findings that there will be no announcement, but rather a series of stages to resolve the issues of the world and then perhaps there will be alien revelations. I agree that there is a social breakdown already, but how many people say it, but then carry on with their unhappy lives, living accordng to social norms which is why there is a social breakdown in the first place

The changes you listed are what I would call tangible. I believe that the changes need to occur in the mind. That is vital. A shake-up for me is an asteroid on a collision course with Earth. A natural catastrophe to unite the world in finding a common goal.

People expect disclosure to happen like off 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'. That will only happen when the powers that be have talked with these beings. Even then, many will suspect motives behind it all. Some of my research has led to accounts of abductees and psychics revealing a big conscious change is coming. Dates have been given, but it always changes depending on the collective human conscious.

I hate the world right now. It's full of people who think financial gain is the most important goal, that having a degree, a job, retiring and dying is imperative. To me, social norms are well in place. It's not a case of things being socially stable for me, but the norms which dictate us. Alcohol, fast food, porn (you may have seen my posts on the masturbation thread), peer popularity, showbiz. It's the world we live in (according to the media). No thanks.

I'll go back to the case of abductees and an interesting account from a person who worked on Project 'Stargate'. Extra-terrestrial beings have been asked by our Earth representatives why they won't go public. The answer is that we need to learn by ourselves. They may influence things such as discoveries and the likes, but ultimately, it is up to us to guide our consciousness onto the next level. I see the words 'personal development' echoed here. That is ultimately our journey.

Any announcement for me would be a planet capable of supporting life in a nearby star system and that a probe will be sent there. There's already been a SETI case I discovered whereby a clear and interpretable signal was received from a star system. This was all hushed down. I can tell you that this occured in 2001. Another in 2003 from a different system. My point is that if there is an announcement, there will probably be a suspect motive behind it all.

[JSB]

Well, a blast wave won't propagate through space (a pressure wave, what we think of as a "bomb blast") but radiant energy certainly will; it's just that a blast wave tends to be more destructive at a given range than a pure electromagnetic radiation.

As for hydrogen vs. deuterium/tritium, they're all hydrogen, just different isotopes. A "pure hydrogen" fusion reaction doesn't release more energy per unit mass than the others (or not much anyway); we use tritium b/c it's easier to start the reaction with those extra neutrons involved. Doesn't matter, it could've just been a really big bomb or an antimatter reaction or something else very destructive.

Here's where the numbers don't fit: anything in Jovian orbit is going to be approximately the same distance to Mars as Mars is to the Sun (and that's only when Mars and Jupiter are at their closest point; the rest of the time the distances will be much greater). So, a spherical explosion that gave off the same power as the Sun would only add as much heat to the Martian atmosphere as the Sun does in the same amount of time. The Martian atmosphere is actually quite cold, so an extra influx of radiation equal to normal solar insolation, over the short burst of an explosion, still wouldn't do much to affect the atmosphere.

A larger explosion could certainly heat it up or heat up the surface and wipe out life or a civilization, but we're now talking about an explosion that radiates many times the power output of the Sun (albeit only for a very short time). Possible? Sure, if you make a fusion bomb the size of a large city or an antimatter bomb the size of a small city or a small black hole or whatever; we can't do it, but that doesn't mean a high tech civilization couldn't. The issue is, if you're creating an explosion large enough to fry the surface of Mars from that distance, you're going to destroy Jupiter and it's moons in the process.

One way around this would be to have a focused beam of energy (instead of a spherical explosion), like a laser or other charged particle beam. We're still talking about absurdly high power levels, but maybe an advanced civilization could do it.

Whatever, I'm not trying to win a case here; I'm just trying to figure out how this could work.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

JSB - You're not being disrespectful at all, just curious as far as I can see. Can information from the Records be inaccurate - no, it's the raw data. Can someone's interpretation of what is in the Records be inaccurate - you bet, the more conflict we have the worse it can be.

I'm aware of the distance between Mars and Jupiter. Jupiter is so large, that a planet could still be quite some distance from it and still be an orbiting moon. And the explosion on Maldec was a true hydrogen explosion which we've never had on Earth. We use isotopes like deuterium and tritium that have a fraction of the power of a true hydrogen explosion. So when a star emits energy or finally goes supernova, what is the medium through which it travels in space? The sun's radiation seems to get to Earth pretty easily, so how far do you think energy from a supernova would travel?

Since we've never had one on Earth, what do you think the energetic radius of a true hydrogen explosion is, when it's big enough to rip a planet to shreds and the resulting pieces form two asteroid belts? The leaders on Mars had never experienced this type of explosion before so no one knew how to prepare. Both the civilizations on Maldec and Mars disappeared, leaving Earth as the only planet left to play. I originally mentioned it to show that sometimes our assumptions about Earth and our place in the galaxy/universe aren't correct - there's more to understand.

There was a man named George Hunt Williamson that used to also access the Akashic Records. He had several books, one that was called Other Tongues, Other Flesh, that actually talks about this very occurence, so I'm not the only person to talk about this nor do I take credit for discovering this. He has some other information that I'm not totally in agreement with, but he also talks about the "moons" of Mars as not being moons, but rather stabilizing satellites to help Mars stay on it's orbital path - which the leaders did apparently have enough foresight to put into place before the explosion.

Please feel free to access the Records and let us know what you discover. I'm not the only person who does this nor do I want to be - the more the merrier. And you're right - just because I have an experience from the Records doesn't necessarily make it true. I'm not infallible like the Pope. Thanks for asking.

[ChrisL]

Luis - Thanks for explaining so much about the work that you're doing. It sounds like you have spent a lot of time and effort on it so it must be important to you.

The changes you listed are what I would call tangible. I believe that the changes need to occur in the mind. That is vital. A shake-up for me is an asteroid on a collision course with Earth. A natural catastrophe to unite the world in finding a common goal.

Actually I would say that the changes need to happen in our consciousness, which happens beyond our mind and yet affects our mind, but I'm essentially in agreement that this is about an internal shift. I don't think we need a huge external disaster like an asteroid to pull people together and out of the trance, although there seems to be no shortage of natural disasters and human turmoil at the moment. It was once pointed out to me that "people can be at their best, when circumstances are at their worst". I agree that something globally unifying can make a difference.

I hate the world right now. It's full of people who think financial gain is the most important goal, that having a degree, a job, retiring and dying is imperative. To me, social norms are well in place. It's not a case of things being socially stable for me, but the norms which dictate us. Alcohol, fast food, porn (you may have seen my posts on the masturbation thread), peer popularity, showbiz. It's the world we live in (according to the media). No thanks.

I feel that at times like this, it's the most important time to exemplify all the core qualities that we truly value, not just give lip service to it, whatever they are - clarity, integrity, love, compassion, etc. There are many people I know that can function in the world and still live beyond the norms - many of them are my friends or teachers. Finding ways to live beyond social consciousness, to truly be ourselves, and still grounded enough to be of service - that's a real task. What if everything is sacred, it's just our perspective on it that wants to shift? What if we consciously decide to use everything around us to help us be the person we want to be, instead of the person that social consciousness dictates to us? We can understand how not to judge life, but rather use even the power of limitation in any situation to help us become ourselves even more.

I'll go back to the case of abductees and an interesting account from a person who worked on Project 'Stargate'. Extra-terrestrial beings have been asked by our Earth representatives why they won't go public. The answer is that we need to learn by ourselves. They may influence things such as discoveries and the likes, but ultimately, it is up to us to guide our consciousness onto the next level. I see the words 'personal development' echoed here. That is ultimately our journey.

Any announcement for me would be a planet capable of supporting life in a nearby star system and that a probe will be sent there. There's already been a SETI case I discovered whereby a clear and interpretable signal was received from a star system. This was all hushed down. I can tell you that this occured in 2001. Another in 2003 from a different system. My point is that if there is an announcement, there will probably be a suspect motive behind it all.

I'm in agreement that we are responsible for letting our consciousness shift, and that the aliens have helped us in a variety of ways. I don't think our alien friends want to be the main focus as much as a solicited support, and yet all the sightings and all the crop circles have been done for years as a way to prepare humanity toward a "coming out" moment.

There have been motives behind other government announcements, so I would imagine there will be some to this one. And like most things it's more of a mixed bag - some of those in power might want to herd or control others, while some leaders might genuinely want to help. As we continue to shift, I think it will be easier for people to discern about other people even better and make their own decisions based on their own experience.

JSB - Thanks for taking the time to dive into this. I haven't delved into the details as to how this happened because to me that was never the important part, as much how it has affected what is going on here, especially over the last 500 years or so when more souls from Mars and Maldec have been incarnating on Earth. But why don't we see what we can come up with together to find out how this happened? Let's do some research, and let's see how a true hydrogen explosion could cause an Earth-sized planet like Maldec, located between Mars and Jupiter, to explode into millions of pieces and take away the Martian atmosphere, which would have been similar to Earth's at the time.

[Jane Doe]

How do we know the two aren't related? Hasn't a connection between UFOs, abductions, altered states and psychic phenomena been established?

I am really glad you pointed this out. I think altered forms of consciousness/UFOs/abductions are very related. I was reluctant to bring up this point since most people look at me like I’m insane. In my mind, a logical step to become “closer” to alien life would be to first accept altered forms of consciousness as valid in our society. After that, I see an “alien announcement” as much more likely. Or I suppose it could be flipped; I don’t really know which would come first

And what if this announcement not only lends credibility to expanded states of consciousness, but coincides with a shift that actually helps us have a greater experience of it? That would be great all around!

I read this part of your post, Chris, right after wondering this myself. I do think, however, that the acceptance of various consciousnesses would freak your average human out a lot less than the acceptance of aliens. It seems more likely that we would first accept the ability of our brains inside our bodies before accepting the reality of these other entities outside our planet. But that really is all a matter of opinion. I would be absolutely thrilled if both other-worldly life and altered consciousness forms gained acceptance at the same time. And I do have to consider that not all cultures negatively stigmatize altered consciousness forms. Some cultures place them above normal waking consciousness!

And yes, much of this is considered a subjective experience. Do you want to know something funny? One of the reasons that it's hard to get the winning lottery ticket numbers intuitively, is that the greater our need to be right about something, the less accurate we are intuitively - we impact our insight way too much. Only when we let go and stay open to something new, like a hollow bamboo flute, do we have even the chance to let Creation come through.

I have never thought about this before. I’m really glad you said this. It will be something I start to think about. This is actually information that ties together various conversations I had earlier today. I didn’t know why these conversations I was having were related—or why we were discussing these “hodge podge” of ideas in one of my classes. But this idea really connects other ideas for me. I think it was quite literally a missing link.

This is going to sound strange to some people, even outrageous, but the physical representation of this shift toward unification, is a transition into bodies that are non-gendered. This will happen more after collective humanity has shifted, which could be another 20-30 years, give or take, so I wouldn't really expect this to be the dominant body expression on the planet till even later than that. I know how weird this sounds, but I thought I would at least share it now with those who want to know.

I think this point is well taken. In American culture, for instance, look at what images the media pushes on people. The “hot” guys in the 70’s were big, burly, and hairy. Today, they seem to be scrawnier with no facial hair and more gender ambiguous.

[Mynder]

I just wanted to express a bit of gratitude to the two of you for this exquisite discussion. It's a joy to read and think along!

[LuisSuarez]

Hi ChrisL,

My work was shaped only by what I can describe as an awakening from within. It was at Christmas time a few years ago when I questioned what the star was over Bethlehem at the birth of Jesus. It was a random thought when I was watching football. I believe a spirit guide did all this. I started doing some digging and discovered several links which were common. I explored those links and came to the creation of man. It's changed my whole thinking and the way I approach life. I am a deeply spiritual person and I hope I am the better for it. My work is my life really. It also links to the first three things in my life which I took interest in, which all my teachers and friends found strange; UFO's, Religion and Writing. I believe this is my calling, so I can only hope that the universe conspires in supporting me on this journey.

Actually I would say that the changes need to happen in our consciousness, which happens beyond our mind and yet affects our mind, but I'm essentially in agreement that this is about an internal shift. I don't think we need a huge external disaster like an asteroid to pull people together and out of the trance, although there seems to be no shortage of natural disasters and human turmoil at the moment. It was once pointed out to me that "people can be at their best, when circumstances are at their worst". I agree that something globally unifying can make a difference.

Definitely.

I feel that at times like this, it's the most important time to exemplify all the core qualities that we truly value, not just give lip service to it, whatever they are - clarity, integrity, love, compassion, etc. There are many people I know that can function in the world and still live beyond the norms - many of them are my friends or teachers. Finding ways to live beyond social consciousness, to truly be ourselves, and still grounded enough to be of service - that's a real task. What if everything is sacred, it's just our perspective on it that wants to shift? What if we consciously decide to use everything around us to help us be the person we want to be, instead of the person that social consciousness dictates to us? We can understand how not to judge life, but rather use even the power of limitation in any situation to help us become ourselves even more.

I totally agree with this, but I've seen very few people who are willing to use everything around them to become their own person. It all seems to be that although people claim they are doing things for their own individuality, often, their own decisions come through the expectations of others. It's as though we're conditioned to lead a certain life, born, school, university, 9-5 job, retire, die. I've been looked down upon because I decided to get a job and do a distance learning degree instead. It was my choice, yet others who wanted to do this also said they wouldn't because it's too risky. People take risks in the worst of circumstances, but in normal life situations, it seems as though we tend to play things safe. I believe there are more people taking risks in order to personally develop, but it could do with speeding up. As you say, use the power of limitation to help us become ourselves even more.



Your stuff on Maldec interests me greatly, because that is something I believe happened, but I'm looking at the connection between that and the possibility of an extra-terrestrial battle causing the destruction of the object between Mars and Jupiter. Mars in particular has the Cydonia site which replicates the Giza Pyramids and the surrounding area. I believe there is a connection between all three, and your content on Maldec has only increased my appetite to learn more.