Announcement of Aliens Coming Soon

[Frankmat]

So can we have a timeframe on when this will happen?

[earthman]

Originally Posted by Frankmat

So can we have a timeframe on when this will happen?

I have read somewhere in the past that Earth was basically off limits while in it's development. Of course there are always those who ignore no tresspassing signs. Bashar is saying the quarantine on Earth will end in December 2012. They say sightings will probably not immediatly increase but will become steadily more common until there is no more question about their exsistance. Landing and full contact will follow. I'm excited

[Radek]

I think this is only hologramic projection from space,i seen lihgts of this speed in san diego night sky . it could lead to the nwo

[Radek]

your right

Originally Posted by elucidate

Maybe they're waiting for us to self-destruct so they can have this planet all to themselves?

[Radek]

more opinions to this, this could never end.
They dont have to even come / leave the view.
Contact and comunication is more.

Originally Posted by TaoPath

What are people's vie.ws on all the new alien-themed movies out at the moment? They all seem to promoting fear and panic on their arrival.

Seems like they might be conditioning many to behave and think a particular way when they show up.


x

[Frankmat]

Originally Posted by earthman

I have read somewhere in the past that Earth was basically off limits while in it's development. Of course there are always those who ignore no tresspassing signs. Bashar is saying the quarantine on Earth will end in December 2012. They say sightings will probably not immediatly increase but will become steadily more common until there is no more question about their exsistance. Landing and full contact will follow. I'm excited

LOL.. as I have said before... heard it alll before and been patiently waiting since 1989 when I first got told disclosure was coming.

You'll have to excuse my inpatience but 22 years is a damn big chunk of my life being excited about it happening any day now ... and I always chuckle how whenever there is a significant UFO sighting you get people start coming out saying disclosure is about to happen.

I think the world was ending about 7 times since then as well... and that never happens either.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Frankmat

LOL.. as I have said before... heard it alll before and been patiently waiting since 1989 when I first got told disclosure was coming.

You'll have to excuse my inpatience but 22 years is a damn big chunk of my life being excited about it happening any day now ... and I always chuckle how whenever there is a significant UFO sighting you get people start coming out saying disclosure is about to happen.

I think the world was ending about 7 times since then as well... and that never happens either.

Well, at least you weren't waiting for jesus to come back and save us all as well...were you?

[Frankmat]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Well, at least you weren't waiting for jesus to come back and save us all as well...were you?

hehehe no.. but I was waiting for someone to start linking the alien disclosure with December 2012.... didn't have to wait long

Apparantly the solar flares were causing my friends computer to crash as well last night... but lo and behold when I checked this morning it was a virus she had downloaded.

I tell ya.. I HATE skeptics with a passion (maybe hate it too strong a word)... but it is very easy to see why so many people side with them.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Frankmat

hehehe no.. but I was waiting for someone to start linking the alien disclosure with December 2012.... didn't have to wait long

Apparantly the solar flares were causing my friends computer to crash as well last night... but lo and behold when I checked this morning it was a virus she had downloaded.

I tell ya.. I HATE skeptics with a passion (maybe hate it too strong a word)... but it is very easy to see why so many people side with them.

I can't say I hate or even strongly dislike skeptics, seeing as I used to be one, and I can see why they are like that.

Honestly, I'm of the attitude that until they (aliens) actually make their intentions known, then I just don't care that much about them. I mean, for god sake...building up the suspense factor is one thing. At some point you gotta lay your cards down or you lose the audience all together. I'm over it...but I'm impatient that way, I admit!

[Frankmat]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I can't say I hate or even strongly dislike skeptics, seeing as I used to be one, and I can see why they are like that.

Honestly, I'm of the attitude that until they (aliens) actually make their intentions known, then I just don't care that much about them. I mean, for god sake...building up the suspense factor is one thing. At some point you gotta lay your cards down or you lose the audience all together. I'm over it...but I'm impatient that way, I admit!

The reason why I don't believe we are going to find out is that it's really not in the aliens hands... but the government that is holding the announcement back for very good reason.

I believe the US Govt has been in contact with aliens since the 1940s...and basically sold our souls in return for technology that they could use for military purposes. That's what abductions are.... an agreement between us and the aliens that they will continue to harvest and abduct humans in return for technology. The aliens just went a little too far when it came to numbers of people they were abducting.... and then turned around to the US and said "Go on... tell everyone then... what are you going to do about it.. you still don't have the level of technology we do."

Now.... how is Mr Obama going to explain that one to the world? He won't. They wanted to in 1989... and realised that nobody is ready to be told that... and I seriously doubt we will ever be ready. I can't see everyone outside of the US of A being extremely happy with knowing some of their loved ones were abducted or murdered just so that the US could become a power. Would probably start World War III..... the entire planet Vs the USA.

[Stevens]

Maybe someone mentioned this but the videos are fake. The simple way to figure it out is that the super bright light is not lighting up anything underneath it and especially over a highly reflective dome or even the surroundings.

Black background easy to composite over. Created with computer software by humans.

[Joebenz]

Originally Posted by Frankmat

The reason why I don't believe we are going to find out is that it's really not in the aliens hands... but the government that is holding the announcement back for very good reason.

I believe the US Govt has been in contact with aliens since the 1940s...and basically sold our souls in return for technology that they could use for military purposes. That's what abductions are.... an agreement between us and the aliens that they will continue to harvest and abduct humans in return for technology. The aliens just went a little too far when it came to numbers of people they were abducting.... and then turned around to the US and said "Go on... tell everyone then... what are you going to do about it.. you still don't have the level of technology we do."

Now.... how is Mr Obama going to explain that one to the world? He won't. They wanted to in 1989... and realised that nobody is ready to be told that... and I seriously doubt we will ever be ready. I can't see everyone outside of the US of A being extremely happy with knowing some of their loved ones were abducted or murdered just so that the US could become a power. Would probably start World War III..... the entire planet Vs the USA.

We all know in our guts that the us governement is hiding something about ufos and E.Ts. (the phoenix lights for exemple. Everyone in this town have seen it and the officials said that they were flares... flares?... come on!)
i think that this is the reason why the governement aren't saying anything about it and never will be.

[Stevens]

The biggest problem regarding UFO's and especially ones with alien life on them is the sheer distances needed to travel and the number of years needed to spend traveling. Based on that you may come across one or two alien crafts willing to spend all those years in space but then the number of sighting makes it kind of comical, if not impossible.

Here is a link that shows the distances:
A Million Questions About Habitable Planet Gliese 581g (Okay, 12) | Space.com

Unless someone has another explanation like wormholes but there isnt really any evidence (that i am aware of) so it would need to be some conventional means.

[Jane Doe]

It's like, if I want someone to do some carpentry on my house, I'm going to find the best qualified person - I don't care where they're from or what they look like. I can still do carpentry with them if I want, or I can let them do carpentry that they are better qualified for than I am while I do something else.

Very good point. I simply wonder why humans aren’t considered capable carpenters in this conversation. I think humans are very capable. I suppose I am young and ignorant, so maybe someday in the distant future I will run into some block that I feel does require “alien” help.

I think the point is to drop all beliefs in favor of having ever deeper direct, personal experiences of life.

Aren’t your beliefs part of your experience…? I’m not sure what you mean by this statement.

What do you mean when you say the purpose is to decide this for ourselves? When aren't we doing that? Direct experience comes in so many different forms, like through the senses or intuition. When something is presented to us, we can still decide what our experience of it is. So whether we intuit that aliens exist or whether we physically see them, I don't see a real difference because no one is telling us what to experience but us.

But people tell us what to believe all the time. If there were some “official announcement,” it would be another case of someone saying “Look, this exists, and this doesn’t exists, and blah blah blah.” And I don’t think you should or truly can do that. That’s what religions have been doing for centuries. That is the whole basis of institutionalized religion (now, non-institutionalized religion…that’s where it’s at).

True belief is something very personal, and I think that many people are actually very confused about what they believe in. When you start to believe in something without being told to directly, it’s a very powerful experience..

Again, having help from our alien friends does not lessen the human experience in any way, any more than any one of us asking for help from anyone does. Actually, they will explain quite a bit publicly, jointly with human leaders. Is there anything wrong with that? I feel that most people would love a deeper explanation to know what is really going on.

I agree, but I don’t see what the rush is to know. I suppose I must say at this point in the conversation that I deeply believe in reincarnation, so time is of no issue to me. If someone doesn’t “get it” in one lifetime, it’s really not a big deal because they have an infinite amount of lifetimes to finally “get it.” And those moments between those lifetimes, called “death,” are the times when their soul will be accessing those Akashic Records—hoping they will remember as much as they can as they are transitioned into the physical, slowly learning with each successive lifetime…

Then when we are finished here, we move onto other systems. But we don't have to die to know that. What if we can be fully alive and know it, not just intellectually, but really have a deep wisdom beyond our mind of who we are, where we are from, and what our purpose is?

You are kind of starting to sound like you are trying to sell me something with those questions. I don’t know…I feel like the whole point of the human experience is cooperation and being a good relative to all living things and accepting those animal intuitions as an inherent part of us and believing in things despite the fact that you don’t know them in the sense of the word “know.” Jump head first into that discourse that is in direct opposition to the hard facts of science. Make belief….you know, making your beliefs. Willing things, you know, your free will. But that’s just me. That’s what I feel the purpose is.

But with respect, I totally disagree that I have to die to get answers. It's simply not my experience. There are people I've met on this forum who are profoundly qualified to have conscious out-of-body experiences (astral projection), which is one of many ways to get answers.

That is a wonderful way to get answers—through your own mind. These altered forms of consciousness, I have to point out, are often not accepted as “valid” in the scientific world. You couldn’t publish in a scientific journal which studies these altered forms of consciousness that a subject actually “traveled to the astrals” or whatever. The most you could do would be to describe the physical processes that were happening in the brain at the time, and explain how these physical processes correlated with an “out of body experience” of the individual. Science cannot validate these experiences, at least not at this time. I don’t know if the validation will ever come, but if it does, it will come slowly. The validation is part of an entirely different discourse which relies heavily on belief—mysticism, religion, spiritualism, whatever you want to call it. I don’t think that trying to make “aliens” part of the scientific discourse makes much sense…

What's the point of living if I have to die to get the answers?

Patience. Faith. Slowly, slowly, slowly….Believing in the answers before they are given to you. You do have to die before you are GIVEN the answers, but you don’t have to die before you can FIND the answers.

I think part of the issue here is that you are using the term “know” and I am using the term “believe.” They are not the same thing. Belief involves an active acceptance in the absence of “absolute scientific proof,” which can lead to a kind of “knowing” but not knowing the way science knows things. What it appears you are suggesting is that “alien existence” is going to quickly become part of the scientific discourse; aliens existing will become a known fact…

I feel like a big part of the point of aliens is belief. Not fact, not “knowing.” Patience. Slowly building knowledge. Having faith, trusting, just plan believing.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Jane Doe

I feel like a big part of the point of aliens is belief. Not fact, not “knowing.” Patience. Slowly building knowledge. Having faith, trusting, just plan believing.

Ok... I had to come out of lurking on this one....

"...the whole point of aliens is belief..." SERIOUSLY?? As if ANY other entity had to have some kind of point that somehow relates to us in order to justify its existence???

Wow. Just.... wow...

[ChrisL]

Originally Posted by Jane Doe

Very good point. I simply wonder why humans aren’t considered capable carpenters in this conversation. I think humans are very capable. I suppose I am young and ignorant, so maybe someday in the distant future I will run into some block that I feel does require “alien” help.

Jane, I just said in the last response to you that humans are profoundly capable of releasing fear. We are in agreement here. We aren't the idiots of the universe, we aren't here to learn some kind of lesson because we're incredibly slow - we are very capable of changing ourselves and creating amazing shifts and helping others along with us. And our need to be right, need to be externally-validated, can stop us dead in our tracks and create stress, struggle, fights, wars, etc.

Since human souls actually come from the very same star systems that many of the aliens come from, it's more like getting the rest of the family to help build the house with us, not just contracting the work out. Think of the Quakers when someone's barn/house is destroyed, how the word gets out and the whole community comes together to help out, whether they are immediate family or not. And yes they have helped us in a variety of ways, including increasing our understanding of technology.

Aren’t your beliefs part of your experience…? I’m not sure what you mean by this statement.

No, not the way I see it. This could simply be a semantics issue between us. If I have a belief then by definition I don't have a direct experience, just an opinion of what I think/feel is true. If I have a direct experience then I've moved past needing a belief about it. Either I have a direct, personal experience or I have the courage to say "I don't know yet but I'm open to an experience". We talked about this earlier in the thread.

But people tell us what to believe all the time. If there were some “official announcement,” it would be another case of someone saying “Look, this exists, and this doesn’t exists, and blah blah blah.” And I don’t think you should or truly can do that. That’s what religions have been doing for centuries. That is the whole basis of institutionalized religion (now, non-institutionalized religion…that’s where it’s at).

There is a vast difference, at least to me, between someone making a presentation for aliens, including presenting multiple versions of evidence, and creating ongoing discussions with world agencies, so that humanity can have a greater experience, and what religion has done for thousands of years in trying to manipulate the population through beliefs. Vastly different. One is empowering and the other is decidedly not.

I'm not expecting us to be in agreement on this, but in my understanding, this will shift humanity in amazing ways because we will want to know ourselves even more. Not everyone, but many people will really start to wonder what life is all about, why are we here, etc. Religion will continue to fall away in favor of a more direct, personal experience of spirituality - knowing the divine in each of us, as opposed to needing any sort of external moderator (i.e. priest, preacher, teacher, etc) between us and God/Creator/Source. And if we aren't a religious/spiritual person, at least being motivated, catalyzed, provoked to start some deeper searching for our own version of answers.

I can have a direct experience through my senses and in an extra-sensory format like intuition (through the body), or direct wisdom/knowing (through the soul). That's very different than a belief which is just a mental/emotional construct. Most people only consider what is available to their senses as an experience, and even the information through our senses gets tremendously filtered on a regular basis. It's like when we're at a party and we just listen to the conversation we want to, and try to filter out everything else. I'm not into propagating any beliefs - beliefs have gotten humanity into enough trouble as it is (i.e. this belief is better than that belief, etc). And even if I have a direct experience, I'm flexible enough to not make my experience the only experience that everyone else has to have, and I'm open to having a different experience in the next moment.

I agree, but I don’t see what the rush is to know. I suppose I must say at this point in the conversation that I deeply believe in reincarnation, so time is of no issue to me. If someone doesn’t “get it” in one lifetime, it’s really not a big deal because they have an infinite amount of lifetimes to finally “get it.” And those moments between those lifetimes, called “death,” are the times when their soul will be accessing those Akashic Records—hoping they will remember as much as they can as they are transitioned into the physical, slowly learning with each successive lifetime…

Yes you're right, we can access the Records in-between lifetimes. And for those who have the inclination to know now, they can access the Records while they are still alive. Reincarnation is my experience, and in my perspective, it only takes one lifetime to get the full range of human experience, and it doesn't have to be a long, slow process. We can have an incredible understanding of life, in any moment we can have an epiphany which utterly transforms us, and have a changing experience of reality in every moment. Enlightenment is one such shift, and there are many other shifts/stages of human consciousness beyond that which have less to do with time and more to do with our willlingness to be honest, lovingly accept ourselves and embracing the present moment completely.

That is a wonderful way to get answers—through your own mind. These altered forms of consciousness, I have to point out, are often not accepted as “valid” in the scientific world. You couldn’t publish in a scientific journal which studies these altered forms of consciousness that a subject actually “traveled to the astrals” or whatever. The most you could do would be to describe the physical processes that were happening in the brain at the time, and explain how these physical processes correlated with an “out of body experience” of the individual. Science cannot validate these experiences, at least not at this time. I don’t know if the validation will ever come, but if it does, it will come slowly. The validation is part of an entirely different discourse which relies heavily on belief—mysticism, religion, spiritualism, whatever you want to call it. I don’t think that trying to make “aliens” part of the scientific discourse makes much sense…

I'm not so concerned whether something is considered valid or not, I simply want to have a direct, personal experience to find out for myself. I won't tell you about my own astral projection experience, but rather share my experience of someone else coming to me. Several times when I've taught in Japan, my friend, who has been astral projecting since he was about 6 years old (he's over 60 now), would promise to come over and let us know he was around helping to support us and the students. He typically plays with electronics to let us know. I've experienced him turning the tv off, making cell phones (which are turned off) ring, turning the lights off, and other actual experiences beyond my "mind". These were experienced mostly in a group setting. He could describe in absolute detail what we were wearing, what we had for lunch, everything. This isn't just a belief or something experienced just in one person's mind. If you ever get interested in this, you might read some Robert Monroe, because he can be very scientific about his approach. He's considered to be one of the "grandfathers" of astral projection.

Actually making aliens part of the scientific discourse absolutely makes sense, and then soon they will become part of the economic, government, cultural, historical and spiritual discourses as well.

I feel like a big part of the point of aliens is belief. Not fact, not “knowing.” Patience. Slowly building knowledge. Having faith, trusting, just plan believing.

We're in disagreement here. I don't want a belief in aliens, I want a direct, personal experience and hope that everyone will get the same. I'm not looking for more faith - this isn't religion to me. Mysticism is more about direct experience and religion is mostly about faith/belief. An enlightened mystic is one who has had a direct, personal experience of knowing themself. An enlightened master is one who can also show others how to have a direct, personal experience of knowing themselves. I'm a strong ally for the practical, mystical experience (having wisdom/knowing beyond our minds), not a religious experience.

[Angelique]

Man!! I just read through all of this. If it wasn't you posting this, I would have shrugged this off as nonsense. This is crazy to think about! Sort of. I mean, my brother told me about his UFO encounter and I believe him. I don't really hold an opinion about them besides it being possible that they're here among us.

This possibility (edit: the announcement) scares me to be honest. I mean, wow. Then again, most types of paranormal stuff scare the hell out of me. I've witnessed a few things here and there. I'd rather not but I'm still very curious about them.

Do you really think some of us will be able to leave with them?

I wish I had time to pour over the Akashic thread. Wow. Thank you for sharing, ChrisL!

[ChrisL]

Angelique - You're welcome. And I hear you! It can sound crazy, huh!? I don't typically delve into this type of topic either because it does seem so "far out" there, unrealistic, disreputable, ungrounded in reality, flaky, pick your adjective! I even wrote the disclaimer at the beginning of this thread because I knew this would seem so incredible, even on this type of forum.

And I felt that actively getting discussion going, even at my expense, was worth it. I'm not expecting anyone to believe what I'm saying simply because I'm saying it. What I'm hoping for is that people will at least be provoked, motivated, encouraged, curious enough to start looking for their own answers and to support rather than denigrate others.

Yes, I do think that some people will want to leave, for a variety of reasons, and it's quite possible that some will. Are you wanting to take off? For me personally, what is happening on earth right now is the center stage of Creation - there is nothing anyone could give me to miss what is happening with humanity right now. Our collective transformation from seperation to unification is such a huge event, that we have more souls wanting to be born now, and more people on the planet now, than we have ever had.

It's like the end of a great Shakespearian play, right? Everybody wants to be onstage for the ending, or at least in the wings, then come out for the curtain call. What an amazing time to be alive.

And it's important to remember Angelique, that nothing has any power over you unless you want it to. Nothing. No need to be scared - you are a sovereign soul like everyone else, with the ability to transform energy, shift as rapidly as you want, and have great epiphanies that expand your understanding and love of life. And the Elders were right - the Great Spirit, or what I would call the Earth Spirit, which is a composite being, can be called upon for support at any time, just like our spirit guides. I'm sure you'll do just great!

[Frankmat]

Originally Posted by Stevens

The biggest problem regarding UFO's and especially ones with alien life on them is the sheer distances needed to travel and the number of years needed to spend traveling. Based on that you may come across one or two alien crafts willing to spend all those years in space but then the number of sighting makes it kind of comical, if not impossible.

Here is a link that shows the distances:
A Million Questions About Habitable Planet Gliese 581g (Okay, 12) | Space.com

Unless someone has another explanation like wormholes but there isnt really any evidence (that i am aware of) so it would need to be some conventional means.

That isn't the biggest problem at all. The biggest problem is people think OUR science is the only science there is... and that's pretty arrogant.. but that is the science community for you. Just because we are not capable of travelling long distances and having found the technology to do so... doesn't mean aliens haven't.

In fact all of the evidence of flying saucers tends to prove that....they move in ways and speeds that the law of physics as we understand it does not allow.

In terms of age of the universe.. this blue marble we live on is a newborn. There would be alien planets out there BILLIONS of years advanced on us.... and when you take into account that we were riding horse drawn carts only 150 years ago.... 1,000,000,000 years kind of makes a difference.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by Frankmat

That isn't the biggest problem at all. The biggest problem is people think OUR science is the only science there is... and that's pretty arrogant.. but that is the science community for you. Just because we are not capable of travelling long distances and having found the technology to do so... doesn't mean aliens haven't.

I know right They could be trying to talk to us right now but we're probably ants to them and we don't understand a thing.

[Stevens]

Originally Posted by Frankmat

That isn't the biggest problem at all. The biggest problem is people think OUR science is the only science there is... and that's pretty arrogant.. but that is the science community for you. Just because we are not capable of travelling long distances and having found the technology to do so... doesn't mean aliens haven't.

Since the video in the OP shows no light from the super bright round object being cast or lighting up the area below then there is no other alternative than to conclude it is fake...IOW's the object was not in the original video.

Seems to me that if alien space craft were traveling to earth and flying around there would be little way to hide it. Realistically may even be impossible to hide so there would be no speculation given ways to track objects and people observing the skies.

Does not mean intelligent life doesnt exist but you are assuming that it is even possible for beings to reach such levels while there is also the chance intelligent life can and may exist that isnt even at the level we have here on earth as well.

I also think that if intelligent life does exist on other planets it would be identical to what we see here on earth and i mean in appearance and intelligence. Then you have to factor in resource availability or why they would even want to travel to earth at all. Just to fly around seems rather stupid, if you ask me.

In fact all of the evidence of flying saucers tends to prove that....they move in ways and speeds that the law of physics as we understand it does not allow.

What evidence? Why wouldn't they be subject to the laws of physics? We have to accept that some things are just not possible and traveling the distance that we factually know exist then maybe we can rule out living creatures willing to travel for decades (or more) to reach the earth and like i said for what purpose just to fly around? This does not seem arrogant to you that they would find us so interesting? In addition to that, if they were very advanced they can view earth at higher resolutions than we can view other planets without even getting close enough for us to notice at all. They would be able to see us, hear us, intercept broadcasts etc. from great distances and probably down to street level.

In terms of age of the universe.. this blue marble we live on is a newborn. There would be alien planets out there BILLIONS of years advanced on us.... and when you take into account that we were riding horse drawn carts only 150 years ago.... 1,000,000,000 years kind of makes a difference.

Yes but there may be an upper limit to technology and given the distance they need to overcome the same obstacles as we do and in addition to that deal with problems on their own planet, like we do.

Here is a good link i found:

Could we survive the trip to another planet? The Big Bang to Now

We don’t know how far the nearest habitable planet we might find is, but the best candidate so far is more than 20 light years away. A light year is the distance light travels in a year which is 186,282 miles a second. Multiplied by 60 is the distance in a minute, multiplied by 60 again is the distance in an hour; multiplied by 24 is the distance in a day; and multiplying that by 365 is the distance in miles light travels in a year. That’s 5,874,589,152,000 miles.

[Frankmat]

Originally Posted by Stevens

Since the video in the OP shows no light from the super bright round object being cast or lighting up the area below then there is no other alternative than to conclude it is fake...IOW's the object was not in the original video.

The reason I know it's fake is in this video... where they have all 3 sources of video put together at the same time.

YouTube - Jerusalem UFO update - Three angles on synch - 4th footage Ultimate proof.

If you go to the 1.05 mark of the video when it "flashes" you can clearly see that 2 of mobile phones are taken at very similar locations.

Watch as the light drops down and then stops.... the left camera is about maybe half a second behind when the light "stops" moving... so the video is not sync'd...... yet when the 'ufo' flashes.. both flashes appear in the identical spot on the video... and the light zooms back up at the exact same time.

This is simply impossible unless it was added in afterwards.

Originally Posted by Stevens

Seems to me that if alien space craft were traveling to earth and flying around there would be little way to hide it. Realistically may even be impossible to hide so there would be no speculation given ways to track objects and people observing the skies.

Cloaking? invisibility? There are lots of ways... scientists have already proven you can make light bend around objects to make them appear invisibile.

Originally Posted by Stevens

Does not mean intelligent life doesnt exist but you are assuming that it is even possible for beings to reach such levels while there is also the chance intelligent life can and may exist that isnt even at the level we have here on earth as well.

Scientists know the age of the earth vs the age of the planets in the universe... as I said we are basically spring chickens compared to the age of other planets that could harbour life.

Originally Posted by Stevens

I also think that if intelligent life does exist on other planets it would be identical to what we see here on earth and i mean in appearance and intelligence. Then you have to factor in resource availability or why they would even want to travel to earth at all. Just to fly around seems rather stupid, if you ask me.

Whoa..... that's a pretty wrong assumption to be honest.

Why would you assume intelligent life on other planets would look identical? Life on OUR planet doesn't even look identical. Compare humans to fish who's environment is water... or lizards who's environment is harsh.

If there are life on other planets it is a 99.99% bet they look completely different to us purely based on their environment. For instance... if they are on a planet where there is extreme heat... genetically over time they may have developed scales.... if its extreme dark from lack of sun... they would have eyes similar to nocturnal animals. etc etc.

Why do you think Scottish and English people have fair skin and Africans have dark skin. It's not a coincidence! It's 1000s of years of adapation to their environment they live in.

Originally Posted by Stevens

What evidence? Why wouldn't they be subject to the laws of physics?

Maybe because the laws of physics are potentially wrong. It shouldn't really be called a law at all... it's a theory based on what WE know.

There is evidence... whilst this flying saucer video might be fake there are plenty out there that aren't.... and plenty of people that know about the way they fly.

Originally Posted by Stevens

We have to accept that some things are just not possible and traveling the distance that we factually know exist then maybe we can rule out living creatures willing to travel for decades (or more) to reach the earth and like i said for what purpose just to fly around? This does not seem arrogant to you that they would find us so interesting? In addition to that, if they were very advanced they can view earth at higher resolutions than we can view other planets without even getting close enough for us to notice at all. They would be able to see us, hear us, intercept broadcasts etc. from great distances and probably down to street level.

With all due respect... these are the ramblings of a religious person... with science being their religion that I am hearing.

Just remember..... Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence.

There is nothing arrogant about a bunch of aliens watching a primitive race called humans... fighting with eachother and developing nuclear and space weapons that could potentially impact on the rest of the universe.

Yeah 50 years ago we were rock apes compared to them.... but they have watched us systematically destroy our planet... kill eachother and seemingly do everything we can to hurt one another.

I think thats a damn good reason to watch over us to make sure we aren't a threat. Nothing arrogant about it.

Originally Posted by Stevens

Yes but there may be an upper limit to technology and given the distance they need to overcome the same obstacles as we do and in addition to that deal with problems on their own planet, like we do.

Here is a good link i found:

Could we survive the trip to another planet? The Big Bang to Now

Nothing good about that link. That link is typical of what I mean about the arrogance of the scientific community... and the fact they think current science is the only valid explanation for anything.

The current scientific community... or the majority of it... actually disgusts me with their arrogance.

[Stevens]

Originally Posted by Frankmat

Whoa..... that's a pretty wrong assumption to be honest.

Why would you assume intelligent life on other planets would look identical? Life on OUR planet doesn't even look identical. Compare humans to fish who's environment is water... or lizards who's environment is harsh.

If there are life on other planets it is a 99.99% bet they look completely different to us purely based on their environment. For instance... if they are on a planet where there is extreme heat... genetically over time they may have developed scales.... if its extreme dark from lack of sun... they would have eyes similar to nocturnal animals. etc etc.

Why do you think Scottish and English people have fair skin and Africans have dark skin. It's not a coincidence! It's 1000s of years of adapation to their environment they live in.

Looking identical to humans i mean the same basic features and not like what we have seen in movies. I am referring to movies like Independence Day, Aliens, Signs etc. I dont even believe in "Greys" - Greys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure humans on earth are different colors and have some facial features that are different but easily identifiable as human. I think we just take the Earth as a model and look at the requirements to sustain life here then we conclude that since it happened here it would happen on another planet and essentially everything is the same. There can be a planet much larger but it needs to have sunlight, needs water, food, probably plant life, oceans, rivers, soil to grow the food and plants. The thing is you cannot stray too far from these requirements. Their skin can have a blueish or green tinge (due to something specific in the soil) but they are easily recognizable and more than likely would blend in to the human population found here. So i cant agree with the sci-fi interpretations.

My favorite sci-fi movie is "Contact" and distant second (for entertainment purposes only) Independence day but have to say the alien in independence day is just not logical that a creature looking like that would advance. Kind of like lizards here on earth being pretty low inteligence and ability.

Even in the movie contact they use worm holes yet there is a good chance that worm holes are just fiction too. Why did they use worm holes? Because the Carl Sagan was aware of the distance and realized some "trick" would be needed. BUT like i said first prove worm holes even exist.

Maybe because the laws of physics are potentially wrong. It shouldn't really be called a law at all... it's a theory based on what WE know.

There is evidence... whilst this flying saucer video might be fake there are plenty out there that aren't.... and plenty of people that know about the way they fly

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Well we have achieved manned space flight and unmanned flights especially have gone much further so we know how it works, what is possible, what is not possible. What causes disasters etc.

With all due respect... these are the ramblings of a religious person... with science being their religion that I am hearing.

Just remember..... Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence.

There is nothing arrogant about a bunch of aliens watching a primitive race called humans... fighting with eachother and developing nuclear and space weapons that could potentially impact on the rest of the universe.

Still dont see why people have this utopian perspective of alien life. Like i said alien life can be more primitive than we are. I am not sure how nuclear weapons would impact the rest of the universe. Seems to me they wouldn't at all...kind of minuscule in terms of the universe. What i am also thinking of is they can have resource issues too. So to them it may not be worth it except maybe make one or two trips for verification but all these supposed sightings since we know about (without real proof, btw) makes you wonder "what can they possibly be gaining" and i really dont see any gain IF they are so advanced to get here actually makes no sense to waste the time. But this is just a matter of opinion.

Yeah 50 years ago we were rock apes compared to them.... but they have watched us systematically destroy our planet... eachother and seemingly do everything we can to hurt one another.

I think thats a damn good reason to watch over us to make sure we aren't a threat. Nothing arrogant about it.

No facts though. If they were worried (and of course they shouldnt be, since we could never effect them) i doubt they would waste resources to observe us.

Nothing good about that link. That link is typical of what I mean about the arrogance of the scientific community... and the fact they think current science is the only valid explanation for anything.

The current scientific community... or the majority of it... actually disgusts me with their arrogance.

There is a lot we know and the link is good. We have traveled in space a great deal too...just not far enough.

In conclusion, aliens visiting earth is HIGHLY unlikely but then maybe they did a routine check and saw all they needed to with no need give two people in a forest somewhere a thrill. Although the "Phoenix Lights" is something i am on the fence about. Still could be military just like Stealth Bomber before it went public was viewed as a UFO by many sightings.

Just different perspectives and either can be wrong. Just going by what seems more likely.

[Angelique]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Angelique - You're welcome. And I hear you! It can sound crazy, huh!? I don't typically delve into this type of topic either because it does seem so "far out" there, unrealistic, disreputable, ungrounded in reality, flaky, pick your adjective! I even wrote the disclaimer at the beginning of this thread because I knew this would seem so incredible, even on this type of forum.

And I felt that actively getting discussion going, even at my expense, was worth it. I'm not expecting anyone to believe what I'm saying simply because I'm saying it. What I'm hoping for is that people will at least be provoked, motivated, encouraged, curious enough to start looking for their own answers and to support rather than denigrate others.

Yes, I do think that some people will want to leave, for a variety of reasons, and it's quite possible that some will. Are you wanting to take off? For me personally, what is happening on earth right now is the center stage of Creation - there is nothing anyone could give me to miss what is happening with humanity right now. Our collective transformation from seperation to unification is such a huge event, that we have more souls wanting to be born now, and more people on the planet now, than we have ever had.

It's like the end of a great Shakespearian play, right? Everybody wants to be onstage for the ending, or at least in the wings, then come out for the curtain call. What an amazing time to be alive.

And it's important to remember Angelique, that nothing has any power over you unless you want it to. Nothing. No need to be scared - you are a sovereign soul like everyone else, with the ability to transform energy, shift as rapidly as you want, and have great epiphanies that expand your understanding and love of life. And the Elders were right - the Great Spirit, or what I would call the Earth Spirit, which is a composite being, can be called upon for support at any time, just like our spirit guides. I'm sure you'll do just great!

That end part is just what I needed to hear.

I don't want to leave for good. But if the chance comes..exploring other planets/dimensions sounds too good to pass up. Maybe there will be "home swap" possibilities.

[ChrisL]

Angelique - I had a feeling you could use an encouraging reminder. We all need one occasionally!

Yes, I can see it now! Just like the "home swap" websites, there will be one for alien home swaps. What would it be called? Planet Swap? Aliens R Us? Bed, Bath and Beyond? Finally that name would work for something.

[Summerbreeze]

There are sites, where you can post your name and a picture to sign in for an alien abduction, lol.

I somehow like to put my profs there to get better grades.

~sb

[ChrisL]

That's wicked SB! If your professor is missing, do you get an automatic A in that class?

[Summerbreeze]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

That's wicked SB! If your professor is missing, do you get an automatic A in that class?

No but I'll ask him if he wants to go there again

~sb

[Jane Doe]

Belief is very important.

[earthman]

There are alternative futures splitting off constantly. Which will you choose? Aliens or no aliens? In the not so distant past there was much concern and discussion about Ca breaking off at the fault line and sliding into the ocean. Don't hear anything about it now. I believe it did fall into the ocean but in a different parallel.Many of my dreams are in realities where details are slightly different than this one. Like doors opening with disks rather than knobs.